Rittenhouse trial

[rmgill]

 

[Ssnake]

That's what you get when you systematically prevent police action on "petty crime" like shoplifting, based on the argument that all it accomplishes is to criminalize the underprivileged youth. Well, yeah, but it also creates deterrence, and without the deterrence robberies like these will destroy an entire business area and sector. So the question is, is society willing to pay that price in order to not criminalize youthful delinquents. Do you want exclusively over the counter shops with cages and bullet resistant glass?

Or more likely, upscale shops only in gated areas with controlled access?

[nitflegal]

Just now, Ssnake said:

That's what you get when you systematically prevent police action on "petty crime" like shoplifting, based on the argument that all it accomplishes is to criminalize the underprivileged youth. Well, yeah, but it also creates deterrence, and without the deterrence robberies like these will destroy an entire business area and sector. So the question is, is society willing to pay that price in order to not criminalize youthful delinquents. Do you want exclusively over the counter shops with cages and bullet resistant glass?

Or more likely, upscale shops only in gated areas with controlled access?

Bingo.  We created feel good laws based a weird perception that shoplifting was primarily a way for the downtrodden to eek out a subsistence living because they were shoplifting vegetables and canned tuna.  So then you get feral people taking advantage of this to simply steal stuff on their own.  Then in groups.  And now organized gangs and probably crime families are taking advantage of it until people get pissed off and crack back down.  I think the elites simply don't care about anything that doesn't affect them and having talked to way too many, they are even more classist than the worst robber baron.  The suffering of the underclasses means nothing because while they openly praise them and lament their struggles in private they look down on them and mock them as relentlessly as the worst caricature of a Republican.  I am genuinely curious about what happens when said underclass finally realizes that the elites absolutely despise them and consider them worthless; perhaps even more on the left than the right.  

[Ssnake]

Now that they are targeting Fendi and Louis Vuitton shops, I suppose they have crossed the line where it does affect the lives of the upper class. Note that all of a sudden there's police everywhere.

The countless caged Korean over the counter retail shops that get robbed every other week won't get that kind of support, ever, because their high prices - the only way to make business viable in a high crime area - are "just another tool of (racist) oppression of the underprivileged".

[Harold Jones]

1 hour ago, Ssnake said:

That's what you get when you systematically prevent police action on "petty crime" like shoplifting, based on the argument that all it accomplishes is to criminalize the underprivileged youth. Well, yeah, but it also creates deterrence, and without the deterrence robberies like these will destroy an entire business area and sector. So the question is, is society willing to pay that price in order to not criminalize youthful delinquents. Do you want exclusively over the counter shops with cages and bullet resistant glass?

Or more likely, upscale shops only in gated areas with controlled access?

Way back in the mists of time when I was a security guard at a local grocery store, a bit before my shift started the manager snagged a teenager shoplifting and called the cops.  The cops showed up and took the kid into custody.  About an hour into my shift a guy came and demanded to speak to the manager.  He started yelling at him about calling the cops just because his son forgot to pay for an item.  He summed it all up with "Now he has a criminal record and what am I supposed to tell our minister?" The manager looked at and said, tell him your son's a thief. I thought the dude was going to have a stroke.  He stood there working his jaw for a few seconds and then turned around and stormed out.  

[DKTanker]

Update.  Waukesha police chief states Darrell Brooks intentionally ran people over, killing 5 injuring another 40 or so.  No indication he was trying to terrorize anybody said the police chief, Daniel Thompson. 

I dunno, I watched some of the video with audio, sure sounded like a lot of terrorized people.

[R011]

Apparently, he may have been fleeing from another crime rather than have targeted the parade per se.

[Ivanhoe]

2 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Now that they are targeting Fendi and Louis Vuitton shops, I suppose they have crossed the line where it does affect the lives of the upper class. Note that all of a sudden there's police everywhere.

Suzanne Collins; "Hunger Games wasn't supposed to be a how-to manual!"

George Orwell; "Welcome to the club."

[DKTanker]

2 minutes ago, R011 said:

Apparently, he may have been fleeing from another crime rather than have targeted the parade per se.

Yeah, I pointed that out last night.  And maybe that's true however, within the last two weeks he was charged with running over somebody else (released on $1000 bond).  Further, reports from before his FB was wiped suggested that he was sympathetic to running down a lot of people and getting away with it.  There is the absence of anybody chasing him until after he started running people down.

I'll guess we'll wait and see what was his motivation, mental health etc.

[sunday]

Interesting bit. Lin Wood's reputation ends quite tarnished.

From grifting lawyers, deliver us, O Lord!

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/091/231/206/original/f04fdf36b4678907.mp4

Edited November 23, 2021 by sunday

[NickM]

Listening to one of my favorite chat shows: one of them quotes that old crone Maria Shriver as she 'laments' how her son asks her 'can stuff like that happen?' Well, fer f/k's sake, Shriver's sons are both well into adulthood, and Maria is will into senior citizenhood. I'm sure her kids didn't speak to her like a couple of autistic toddlers.

Meanwhile, the Walnut Creek Nordstoms gets looted by a mob and nobody is arrested;  certain people known to me said it was obvious that it happened due to the Rittenhouse verdict: well it's OK to shoot people, so it must be OK to shoplift (I didn't bother trying to point out, different states/"different" DAs); Same person talked about that other case in Georgia of the white guys who shot the black guy. Naturally, in her mind NOTHING has changed in nearly 60 years in Georgia (she's from the greater NYC area,  so perhaps the only 'cliche' is the mentality about Southern Folks) so there's no chance a 'jury of their peers' will convict.

Edited December 12, 2021 by NickM
edited to add emphasis

[rmgill]

6 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Now that they are targeting Fendi and Louis Vuitton shops, I suppose they have crossed the line where it does affect the lives of the upper class. Note that all of a sudden there's police everywhere.

The countless caged Korean over the counter retail shops that get robbed every other week won't get that kind of support, ever, because their high prices - the only way to make business viable in a high crime area - are "just another tool of (racist) oppression of the underprivileged".

They don't get that kind of support during riots either. That's why Roof Korean is a 30 year old meme. The rich, well to do left may decide its a problem. They don't much care when the crime or riots are not in their neighborhood. I have heard as much directly from the mouth of a well to do while lady who was the mover and shaker in the Million Mom March here in Atlanta.

 

If there is violence in Cabbagetown or West-End it doesn't affect her. But in Virginia Highlands. Oh yeah. 

[rmgill]

4 hours ago, R011 said:

Apparently, he may have been fleeing from another crime rather than have targeted the parade per se.

Looking at some stuff than Andy Ngo has dug up, I am not so sure. But the accident will be the narrative of the left for a year or more. 

[R011]

4 hours ago, rmgill said:

Looking at some stuff than Andy Ngo has dug up, I am not so sure. But the accident will be the narrative of the left for a year or more. 

The trial will be big news locally and all but ignored nationally because it doesn't fit the MSM narrative of White terrorism.

[shep854]

I've seen discussion where it was noted that Brooks appeared to be targeting people.

[shep854]

11 hours ago, sunday said:

Interesting bit. Lin Wood's reputation ends quite tarnished.

From grifting lawyers, deliver us, O Lord!

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/091/231/206/original/f04fdf36b4678907.mp4

And some have recommended that Kyle contact Wood handle his defamation lawsuits... 

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/was-the-waukesha-killer-a-stoner/

Quote

Cannabis use is an often overlooked commonality among mass murderers and other violent offenders — one that the British journalist Peter Hitchens has warned about for some time.

 

[nitflegal]

15 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Now that they are targeting Fendi and Louis Vuitton shops, I suppose they have crossed the line where it does affect the lives of the upper class. Note that all of a sudden there's police everywhere.

The countless caged Korean over the counter retail shops that get robbed every other week won't get that kind of support, ever, because their high prices - the only way to make business viable in a high crime area - are "just another tool of (racist) oppression of the underprivileged".

I doubt it.  The elites will feel threatened if and only if they are unsafe.  They have the same disdain for the people working those stores as they do any other business.  As long as the ferals don't target the stores WHILE the elites are there or go into their actual neighborhoods they won't care.  I suspect the criminals or at least their leaders are more than smart enough to recognize the lines that will provoke a backlash and will carefully avoid crossing them.  In all honesty I also expect them to make brutal examples of any freelancers who cross that line to reassure the elites that they will self-police.

[glenn239]

7 hours ago, R011 said:

The trial will be big news locally and all but ignored nationally because it doesn't fit the MSM narrative of White terrorism.

I'm half convinced that CNN found out the ID of the perp shortly after the murders occurred, because suddenly they were talking about the "mental state" of the driver, and I thought, 'did they just find out from a contact that he wasn't a white supremacist?'

[lucklucky]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

I'm half convinced that CNN found out the ID of the perp shortly after the murders occurred, because suddenly they were talking about the "mental state" of the driver, and I thought, 'did they just find out from a contact that he wasn't a white supremacist?'

You just have to go to TV series to see that. Evil people, so without redemption is always white. While criminals with other skin color is always a bad choice they made in their live , have a mental issue, drug addiction, there is always an explanation, no evil.

[NickM]

8 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/was-the-waukesha-killer-a-stoner/

 

Using weed laws to get 'stone killers' of the street (like that MS13 guy who shot that family in my old neighborhood) , at least for a little, is not that uncommon--ESPECIALLY since nobody wants to 'rat out' a psycho who's "connected"

[EchoFiveMike]

There's no need to get the ferals to snitch on each other either, it's often the best you can do with the shitheads from the precivilization portions of the US.  S/F....Ken M 

[DB]

With respect to the Waukesha parade deaths, is there any evidence to support a claim that seems to have much traction over here that police were chasing Brooks at the time of the incident? I don't see current reports making this claim, only that immediately prior he had been involved in a "domestic incident".

[rmgill]

There was not an active chase. He had broken contact as it were. The distance was also rather substantial from where he started. Tens of miles if I am correct in my understanding. 

[DB]

Thanks.