Rittenhouse trial

[Mikel2]

Now, if the court determined that Rittenhouse was right in engaging in self defense when shooting Grosskreutz, doesn't that imply that Grosskreutz was engaged in an illegal action of aggression against Rittenhouse?  Why is G. not being charged with a crime?

[Mikel2]

I couldn't remember the spelling of Grosskreutz's last name. When I googled it, every single article in the first page painted Rittenhouse as the criminal.  Media bias, or google bias? Both?

[EchoFiveMike]

Anarcho-tyranny.  S/F....Ken M

[DKTanker]

1 minute ago, Mikel2 said:

Now, if the court determined that Rittenhouse was right in engaging in self defense when shooting Grosskreutz, doesn't that imply that Grosskreutz was engaged in an illegal action of aggression against Rittenhouse?  Why is G. not being charged with a crime?

Because Grosskreutz is on the correct side of the agenda.  Speaking of which, Nate the Lawyer has pointed out that ADA Binger illicited a perjured response from Grosskreutz.  Not sure about the correct verbiage, but Binger asked Grosskreutz, "The reason you didn't have your permit is because it had expired, right?" or words to that effect.  To which Grosskreutz responded, "correct."  It might be technically correct that the permit had expired however, it had been confiscated and made forfeit because of previous crimes he had committed.  Thus the  perjury.

[DKTanker]

6 minutes ago, Mikel2 said:

I couldn't remember the spelling of Grosskreutz's last name. When I googled it, every single article in the first page painted Rittenhouse as the criminal.  Media bias, or google bias? Both?

Both.  It is no secret that Google algorithms are designed to present to researchers first the responses they deem appropriate to be researched.  The media because, media.

[rmgill]

16 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The Highland clearances were not convicts.

They were of a sort, though not in our modern parlance. Folks who were opposing the desired objectives of their lairds and the crown. So they had to go. Being a tenant farmer was then anathema to nobility needing more money and thus deciding that thos folks had to go become crofters or what not. 

The elite decided that the little people needed to do things their way. Or the highway. Never mind the dùthchas saying otherwise. 

[sunday]

56 minutes ago, rmgill said:

They were of a sort, though not in our modern parlance. Folks who were opposing the desired objectives of their lairds and the crown. So they had to go. Being a tenant farmer was then anathema to nobility needing more money and thus deciding that thos folks had to go become crofters or what not. 

The elite decided that the little people needed to do things their way. Or the highway. Never mind the dùthchas saying otherwise. 

Highlanders were replaced by sheep. More productive and easier to fleece.

[DKTanker]

Connection possibly.  From Waukesha, Wisconsin, 35 miles NW of Kenosha, 20 miles west of Milwaukee.  Red SUV intentionally ran through a Holiday parade striking about 30 people, killing one.  Shots fired.  A suspect SUV has been recovered, person of interest is being interviewed.  Reports are the POI is a black male.

Edit to add: Connection to Rittenhouse case now seeming unlikely.  POI Darrell Brooks was apparently fleeing the scene of another crime and ran into the parade.  Multiple deaths.

Edited November 22, 2021 by DKTanker

[EchoFiveMike]

Some shithead person of interest in custody:

Darrell Brooks Jr.: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Like I said, anarcho-tyranny.  Defund the police, so they can't stop you from defending yourself.  S/F....Ken M

[sunday]

Mental short circuits incoming...

 

[BansheeOne]

Already evident in responses to that tweet. Left fringe: "Liar!" Right fringe: "Traitor!" 😁

[DB]

Of course. I support BLM insofar as it represents an attempt to highlight abuses of power by the police.

I can do that without in any way feeling the need to hop on a plane and burn down someone's business, and without supporting any of the methods adopted by the "official" and various coat-tail-hanging organisations.

Concept is fine, implementation, not so much - at this point it's just another movement co-opted by people who think they can gain power by manipulating it.

A bit like every other hot-button issue, from abortion to gun rights to transgender rights... and so on, and so forth, etc., ad infinitum.

[BansheeOne]

As the saner posters in that thread point out, there are at least three different things which BLM may mean - a movement, an organization, a hashtag - and probably as many as people will interpret into the term. Some note that clips exist of Rittenhouse from earlier that night in which he says he of course supports the right to protest, and also police reform. Obviously that doesn't mean you have to allow anyone who latches on to the issue run riot through town. The absolutist fringenuts on either side will have trouble grasping this concept though. 

[sunday]

21 minutes ago, DB said:

Of course. I support BLM insofar as it represents an attempt to highlight abuses of power by the police.

I can do that without in any way feeling the need to hop on a plane and burn down someone's business, and without supporting any of the methods adopted by the "official" and various coat-tail-hanging organisations.

Concept is fine, implementation, not so much - at this point it's just another movement co-opted by people who think they can gain power by manipulating it.

A bit like every other hot-button issue, from abortion to gun rights to transgender rights... and so on, and so forth, etc., ad infinitum.

Excellent point, and it could be understood as a rebuke of the Machiavellian "the ends justify the means".

Edited November 22, 2021 by sunday

[shep854]

Another reason for the continued outrage is public intimidation.  If a citizen decides that responsible exercise of rights is too much hassle, the Left has won just as surely as if they passed a law.

A very detailed (and salty) vivisection of the Left's claim:

Fisking one of the many Dumb Hot Takes on The Rittenhouse Case | Monster Hunter Nation

FISKING ONE OF THE MANY DUMB HOT TAKES ON THE RITTENHOUSE CASE

[DKTanker]

56 minutes ago, DB said:

Concept is fine, implementation, not so much - at this point it's just another movement co-opted by people who think they can gain power by manipulating it.

Founders of BLM are a trio of Marxists Revolutionaries.  So, there is that.  They keep their messaging at the simmer level but I have yet to hear or read anything from the founders that suggest they totally disavow and are actively discouraging those perpetuating violence in their name.  To my knowledge not a single voice from BLM made themselves heard suggesting the deaths of Rosenbaum and Huber were the end result of rioting and terroristic activity in Kenosha. 
I discount the idea of the movement being hijacked, I think it more of an unrefined Sinn Fein - IRA relationship.

[R011]

There's BLM the organization who are Marxist, anti-White, anti-police, anti-West, anti-Christian, and based on lies, and BLM the slogan which is a sometimes exaggerated concern about systemic racism and police brutality.

[R011]

On 11/21/2021 at 8:15 AM, MiloMorai said:

That would be Ottawa-Carleton. Better known as the National Capital Region and includes Gatineau.

Unlike capital districts in some other federal countries, such as the District of Columbia in the United States or the Australian Capital Territory in Australia, the National Capital Region is not a separate political or administrative entity. Its component parts are within the provinces of Ontario and Quebec.

Mr Pickey/ Not quite.  The Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton in the Province of Ontario is part of the National Capital Region, but the Gatineau part in the Province of Quebec is not part of Ottawa-Carleton.

[DKTanker]

4 hours ago, sunday said:

Mental short circuits incoming...

 

I'm not surprised. He's a product of the Illinois public indoctrination system, he might even believe that Jacob Blake was an innocent man gunned down by a racist overzealous police officer.

[R011]

5 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

I'm not surprised. He's a product of the Illinois public indoctrination system, he might even believe that Jacob Blake was an innocent man gunned down by a racist overzealous police officer.

And he might be trying to persuade the mob that he isn't what they think.  he could be fibbing.  Not that it matters as they already believe he's a rabid White Supremacist and no mere fact can dissuade them.

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Already evident in responses to that tweet. Left fringe: "Liar!" Right fringe: "Traitor!" 😁

We'll the right fringe are silly. He clearly put his life on the line to scotch BLM's rioting faction. BLM isn't one thing and while one CAN be in agreement with the noble sentiment, one can still be very aware that it's an ideologically loaded concept/term and not agree with the marxist component. 

 

[rmgill]

And give the kid some grace, he has half the nation calling for his head on a spike and in favor of a pedophile as a 'hero'. 

[BansheeOne]

Reactions among his erstwhile supporters will serve nicely to distinguish those for whom it was truely about self-defense from those for whom he was mostly a pin-up to masturbate over fantasies of "stacking the bodies of lefties in the streets like cordwood" to, as one widely-quoted Telegram message put it. 🤩😁

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

Reactions among his erstwhile supporters will serve nicely to distinguish those for whom it was truely about self-defense from those for whom he was mostly a pin-up to masturbate over fantasies of "stacking the bodies of lefties in the streets like cordwood" to, as one widely-quoted Telegram message put it. 🤩😁

Given the incident just up the road with a criminal who's been in and out of jail for decades, this is somewhat obtuse. It's about both. The criminals aren't being put away. They get to go out, commit crimes, go into jail for a few days or weeks, maybe moths, IF convicted, and then are back on the streets. Rinse/repeat. Charges for jumping bail are bailable. They learn that they can do what they want to whom ever they want with no real consequences. 

We have had a large push across the US to be equitable in criminal justice based on racial lines, meaning that violent criminals are let out of jail and prison or just not charged.  The optics for what measures success are inverted or just have their heads stuck in a gas oven. 

So the criminals are charged, then let out, the charges dropped, or just diverted to non incarercation type programs and then they go do illegal acts again. And again. And again. Then someone dies in a rather high profile case and people are shocked. 

The self defense aspect IS about stacking the bodies becasue if the state won't incarcerate the people who are dangerous, then the only way the violent/predatory criminals will be controlled is by coming across victims who fight back.  And it's not masturbatory fantasies, it's a cold hard reality that happens in a split second. 
 

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by rmgill

[rmgill]

The NRA has become a lot of hot air over the years, but if you want, go through examples of the NRA's Armed Citizen listings of incidents across the US feel free. 

https://www.americanrifleman.org/Armed-Citizen

Here's a recent one. Note the surviving criminal kid, 17 years old and likely with a very long criminal history, just adjudicated and revolved through the underage points system. In that case here in Atlanta, unless they kill someone, there's not enough points to actually detain them so they're usually handed back over to their mother the same evening of the incidents. They get to refine their predatory behavior and eventually work up to a major felony or get killed in the process of committing a crime. 
 

Armed Citizen® Today

An armed citizen in Atlanta, Ga., defended his property and self when two young robbers broke into his parked car on Sept. 10, 2021.

The owner of the car was exiting a Publix store that Friday when he noticed two people trying to break into his car and that they were armed. In response to the robbery, the owner of the car confronted the duo, which resulted in an escalation of the situation with the two youthful armed robbers. As stated by Atlanta Police Department Deputy Chief Timothy Peek, the owner "chose to take his weapon and defend himself against the people that were breaking into the vehicle."

The owner drew his handgun and opened fire on the two, striking and killing one of the crooks inside his car. The other teenage crook began to run off and shoot back at the armed citizen, who returned fire and managed to strike the young offender in the wrist. The surviving, yet wounded, 17-year-old robber was later apprehended by authorities, and booked into the Fulton County Jail after receiving treatment for his wound. On top of charges for entering an auto, possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony and the possession of a firearm by a person under the age of 18, the young crook was also charged for felony murder for the death of his accomplice. (11alive.com, Atlanta, Ga., 09/12/2021)