Stuart Galbraith Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 15 hours ago, TrustMe said: The Osprey book "Tank War - central front NATO v Warsaw Pact" gives a division level review of the armies involved in around the 1989 era. It however doesn't go into detail on the divisions other than giving a overall number of tanks owned by the various countries. For example from what I understand a Soviet Tank Division had around two thirds the personnel of the equivalent US Tank Division so tread carefully. It did, but the idea was to throw it away after 3 or 4 days and use the second echelon. They would then rebuild it with units recovered from the battlefield and keep it in reserve. Whereas of course, the idea for Western Armies was to keep a Division in combat till it essentially was destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Perun said: Hi mates, one question. Should I put english name of YPA units, should I put it in croatian/serbian or bouth? I prefere bouth (with english translation in parents). Both would be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Hi a few years ago I was here as munster I am still working on nato and Warsaw pact orbats the most difficult is to get information on Greek and Turkish armies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Hi Reno, always nice to see people come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 For me the Turkush army is still less known. Shall we this time include naval organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 When is deadline for finishing updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouieD Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Perun said: When is deadline for finishing updates I think we are waiting for Pat to get back on here with his last update to see where we are and then start from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) Ok mate. I started translating Yugoslav section of OOB, it should be finished in few days then I will start translating Albanian people's army OOB. Last one YPA OOB included in NATO OOB (non aligned european countries part) is rather fundamental and highly incomplete. Dragoon's OOB although good is also incomplete and has many errors. New one, wich I translating, is 99% accurate and complete. My source is book wich used official documents for making OOB. Yugoslav people's army is hard to 100% complete because at that time reorganization was constantly, especially of smaller units. I dont want to criticise Dragoon's work, his work was excellent, and in those days I started with his OOB until I found book with highly complete and accurate YPA OOB. Edited November 14, 2021 by Perun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) Hi mates, how are we advancing on NATO OOB update front I finished translating YPA ground force OOB, next is air force and navy and then I will update and finish notes And then is Albania... All should be finished in week or two max, could be finished much faster if is needed Edited November 18, 2021 by Perun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hurricane Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 I noticed today that "Alterfritz" has just posted an updated version of his BAOR and RAF Germany 1989 OOB document (in German): http://www.relikte.com/literatur.htm Might be of some interest given the current parallel thread about extra BAOR tank squadrons....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Thanks mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCallahan Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Hi All -- It appears that the version of the NATO OOB on microarmormayhem.com is the most current version currently available... which, of course, means that I've not been able to recover anything from my wrecked portable hard drive. Let's use that as a starting point. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Hi mates does any one have map of Belgian division sectors in West Germany. Period is 1989. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hurricane Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Hello Perun Try this website about the history of the Belgian Forces in Germany which I only discovered very recently: http://users.telenet.be/evbbmb/BSD2.htm#_De_wapens_(soorten_1 it includes maps of what Belgian brigades were stationed where in Germany at various times from 1945 to 1993. Also pretty useful info on equipment used and some organisational information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Hans Boersma, whom used to drop in on this site quite regularly, has this superb site up on the Army of the Netherlands. i found this one incredibly useful. https://www.orbat85.nl/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Thanks mates. Some time ago I found one map with wartime locations / sectors of Belgian 1st and 16th division and offcours that now I cant finde anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCallahan Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/28/2021 at 4:03 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: Hans Boersma, whom used to drop in on this site quite regularly, has this superb site up on the Army of the Netherlands. i found this one incredibly useful. https://www.orbat85.nl/ Hi Stuart -- I believe everything from that site is already included in the existing document. It is a really great source! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Shall we add source list in our update and shall we add navies this time? I added navies for my update of Yugoslavia and for Albania but if you dont agree I could easily left it out from update Edited November 30, 2021 by Perun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 hours ago, PCallahan said: Hi Stuart -- I believe everything from that site is already included in the existing document. It is a really great source! Ah, thats good then. Yes, I found it incredibly useful, I wish there was a site that good dedicated to BAOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouieD Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 On 11/30/2021 at 1:32 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: Ah, thats good then. Yes, I found it incredibly useful, I wish there was a site that good dedicated to BAOR. I'm slowly working on that Stu........I need to retire again or hit the lotto!! Pat, If you don't mind I am going to try and redo the U.S. Army section this weekend, wartime missions and assigned units for the Divisions to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCallahan Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Sounds good to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeRedleg134 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 As a long-time fan of the original NATO OOB from Pat's site, I've been wondering if there was going to be an update. Has this effort made any progress or has it shifted to other threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Shall we set some dates for finishing update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike6 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I decided to go through and try to eliminate unit redundancy in the US Army part. The main combat arms (Armor, Infantry, Field Artillery) are complete. Aviation is still a work in progress. Decided to lay it out in a different way than the original orbat so it was easier for me to find the redundancies and correct them. units1989a1 (version 1).xlsx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCallahan Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Excellent, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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