DougRichards Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 Thinking a little laterally.. given that the SM-2 has a mode that it can be used as a surface to surface weapon, could the Aster series be modded to provide at least some surface to surface capacity? They are already designed to hit sea skimming missiles. I understand that they carry but a light warhead - 15kg- but even this, plus the shock of a 200kg missile (ie, missile having burnt a lot of its fuel) hitting at around mach 2 should not be under estimated.
Josh Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 That's a fair point...shouldn't Aster as an actively guided weapon be able to even hit targets over the horizon? SM-6 can, and likely SM-2 blk 3C will as well. The flight profile would be sub optimal but it would give range and speed.
CaptLuke Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 I keep wondering if the proposed Common Anti-Surface Modular Missile (CAsMM), launching SPEAR 3 from the same VLS tubes used for CAMM/Sea Venom, would have been a good approach. It's not a substitute for a heavyweight missile, but it would provide a good alternative for land attack and plinking FACs and at least mean that other navies would have to be respectful of a missile attack capability. A similar approach would be to just slap some box launchers for a surface to surface version of Sea Venom. Depending on ship size, it might well range out to the radar horizon and I believe it shares a datalink with CAMM/Sea Venom. Again, not a substitute for a heavyweight missile, but good enough for anti-FAC work and, unlike a helicopter, it would be available 24/7. It's less capable/versatile than CAsMM would have been but would be cheap and cheerful.
DB Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 Maritime Brimstone is being proposed for this type of role. Spear would need significant rework to launch the way CAMM does, which is from a sealed canister using a cold launch system. I don't think that a turbojet would accelerate a Spear enough after the initial launch.
CaptLuke Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, DB said: Maritime Brimstone is being proposed for this type of role. Spear would need significant rework to launch the way CAMM does, which is from a sealed canister using a cold launch system. I don't think that a turbojet would accelerate a Spear enough after the initial launch. MBDA engineers said that with minor changes to the weapon's software and the addition of a booster rocket they could get a SPEAR3 on it's way with a 70km range.
DB Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 Which is not what I was talking about. CAMM is designed to "soft launch". The tubes it's launched from going forward (on the Type 26/31) would need to be designed more like Mk41 or Sylver launchers, with rocket efflux exhausts. As far as I'm aware, that's not present in the planned RN designs. If you want to launch Spear 3 from Mk41/Mk57 or Sylver, then sure, it's not a technical innovation to slap a booster on.
CaptLuke Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 7 hours ago, DB said: Which is not what I was talking about. CAMM is designed to "soft launch". The tubes it's launched from going forward (on the Type 26/31) would need to be designed more like Mk41 or Sylver launchers, with rocket efflux exhausts. As far as I'm aware, that's not present in the planned RN designs. If you want to launch Spear 3 from Mk41/Mk57 or Sylver, then sure, it's not a technical innovation to slap a booster on. OK, I mis-understood, but I don't see how soft launch precludes a booster. CAMM itself soft launches, clears the launcher, then fires a rocket engine. CAsMM would soft launch, then fire a booster (analogous to CAMM's rocket), then let the turbojet take over.
DB Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 it does not preclude the use of a booster, no. But now you're talking about integrating a soft-launch canister and also a booster, so it's not looking quite so simple. It's not conceptually complex, but implementation is a different thing.
Mighty_Zuk Posted September 21, 2022 Author Posted September 21, 2022 Israeli Navy tests Gabriel V missiles on Saar 6 ship: Target ship sunk with a 150kg warhead.
lucklucky Posted September 21, 2022 Posted September 21, 2022 That is recent video, SAAR 6 already with 76mm gun.
Mighty_Zuk Posted September 21, 2022 Author Posted September 21, 2022 5 hours ago, lucklucky said: That is recent video, SAAR 6 already with 76mm gun. Well yes, it's why I posted it here lol. 3 of 4 Sa'ar 6 ships have the 76mm gun, and this video was shot somewhere in August, and released to the public today.
lucklucky Posted September 21, 2022 Posted September 21, 2022 I often saw SAAR 6 pics without the gun.
Laser Shark Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 Better late than never https://www.navylookout.com/royal-navy-to-buy-the-naval-strike-missile/
Huba Posted November 25, 2022 Posted November 25, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 5:32 PM, DB said: Which is not what I was talking about. CAMM is designed to "soft launch". The tubes it's launched from going forward (on the Type 26/31) would need to be designed more like Mk41 or Sylver launchers, with rocket efflux exhausts. As far as I'm aware, that's not present in the planned RN designs. If you want to launch Spear 3 from Mk41/Mk57 or Sylver, then sure, it's not a technical innovation to slap a booster on. Sorry for the thread necromancy here, but this is an interesting subject. First, wouldn't the regular CAMM be able to act as an emergency FAC swatter? Sure it would be very cost-inefficient and too short ranged as a regular ground attack tool, but in an emergency against swarming attack? The most it would need would probably be a software update. Also interestingly, on PL version of Arrowhead, CAMMs are to be quad packed in strike-length Mk41, AFAIK retaining the regular soft-launch cannister.
DB Posted November 25, 2022 Posted November 25, 2022 Can't comment on the former, but noting that both Thales Martlet and Brimstone have been positioned for anti FAC use. Quad pack CAMM is definitely a thing, and yes, it's the same canister.
Mighty_Zuk Posted December 1, 2022 Author Posted December 1, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 4:54 PM, Laser Shark said: Better late than never https://www.navylookout.com/royal-navy-to-buy-the-naval-strike-missile/ Are the NSM going to be bought as well?
Laser Shark Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said: Are the NSM going to be bought as well? Yes, it says so in the article.
Mighty_Zuk Posted December 1, 2022 Author Posted December 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Laser Shark said: Yes, it says so in the article. I know what the article says, but it didn't say if or when the buy gets cancelled. When are the cancellations usually announced? 6 months after?
Laser Shark Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 Well, if you're looking for a fortune teller, I can't help you there.
Laser Shark Posted November 24, 2023 Posted November 24, 2023 Norway And Germany To Develop New 3SM Supersonic Strike Missile KONGSBERG has developed today’s Naval Strike Missile (NSM) and will take the lead role in developing the new naval strike missile, which will complement the NSM, the Ministry of Defence said in a statement. The new missile will be known as SuperSonic Strike Missile (3SM) Tyrfing and is scheduled to be ready in 2035. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/11/norway-and-germany-to-develop-new-3sm-supersonic-strike-missile/
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