First felony sentencing for Jan 6th DC riot. How does it compare to the 2020 riots?

[BansheeOne]

1 hour ago, rmgill said:

Have you noted the footage of the 'rioters' taking photos with the Capitol Police and fist bumping them and such? Have you noted the footage of 'rioters' also being let into spaces by the Capitol Police (as in opening doors?). 

Makes part of it very much NOT a riot it seems. Even the DOJ admits they have many hours of such footage. 

Yeah well, by any such quantitative metric, the BLM protests were indeed "mostly peaceful", too. I don't think anyone here would excuse the riots which came to define their public perception by pointing out that some cops were friendly with protesters though. 

ETA: And BTW, I find that the alleged source for Babbitt’s body being cremated right after examination doesn't in fact say that, and rather her mother complained to various media that it took weeks for her body to be released so her family could cremate it and scatter the ashes in the ocean per her wishes. 

Edited August 15, 2021 by BansheeOne

[Ssnake]

6 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

On the barriers outside the capitol building. Why were they so minuscule?... Why were not less than lethal weapons deployed once the crowd surged past the barricades?

Negligent, or willful lack of preparation by Capitol Police leadership.

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Yeah well, by any such quantitative metric, the BLM protests were indeed "mostly peaceful", too. I don't think anyone here would excuse the riots which came to define their public perception by pointing out that some cops were friendly with protesters though. 

At the same event? At the same time? 

Once things went rodeo in Atlanta, APD was not taking selfies with protestors and fist bumping to let them into various buildings for the rioters to walk around in and mug for the camera. 

And as to mostly peaceful well, that was the standard for months. Doesn't that fly in the face of the hyper-ventilators who cannot screech enough about the event being the worst incident since the American Civil war? 

3 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

ETA: And BTW, I find that the alleged source for Babbitt’s body being cremated right after examination doesn't in fact say that, and rather her mother complained to various media that it took weeks for her body to be released so her family could cremate it and scatter the ashes in the ocean per her wishes. 

This all just goes to the point about how the whole incident seem to be being smothered with a pillow. 

Compare/Contrast. 

[sunday]

 

[Simon Tan]

You cannot charge a black man fearing for his life when threatened by an unarmed white woman.

[BansheeOne]

The referenced interview:

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Officer who shot Ashli Babbitt during Capitol riot breaks silence: 'I saved countless lives'

In an exclusive interview with NBC News, Lt. Michael Byrd said he opened fire only as a “last resort” after the rioters failed to comply with his commands.

Aug. 26, 2021, 6:30 PM EDT

By Rich Schapiro, Anna Schecter and Chelsea Damberg

In the chaotic minutes before he shot and killed Ashli Babbitt during the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, Lt. Michael Byrd focused his attention on the glass doors leading into the lobby of the House of Representatives chamber.

About 60 to 80 House members and staffers were holed up inside, and it was Byrd’s job to protect them.

As rioters rampaged through the Capitol, Byrd and a few other officers of the U.S. Capitol Police set up a wall of furniture outside the doors.

“Once we barricaded the doors, we were essentially trapped where we were,” Byrd said in an exclusive interview with NBC News’ Lester Holt, speaking publicly for the first time since the riot. “There was no way to retreat. No other way to get out.

“If they get through that door, they’re into the House chamber and upon the members of Congress,” added Byrd, who gave NBC News permission to use his name after authorities had declined to release it.

Byrd’s connection to what was going on outside and inside the building was his police radio. For several minutes, it crackled with a cascade of alarming messages.

There were shouts of officers down. Screams from his colleagues under attack by rioters with chemical agents. A report that an officer’s fingertips were blown off.

“It was literally broadcast over the air,” Byrd said. “I said, ‘OK, this is getting serious.’”

Soon a horde of demonstrators arrived. Byrd, a 28-year veteran of the Capitol Police, took a defensive posture with his gun drawn as rioters smashed the glass doors.

He said he yelled repeatedly for them to get back. But the mob kept pressing forward, and then a lone rioter tried to climb through one of the doors.

Her death became a rallying cry for the far right, which described Babbitt as a martyr. Trump himself declared that she had been murdered and suggested, falsely, that the officer who shot her worked for a high-ranking Democrat.

For Byrd, who is Black, the incident turned his life upside down. He has been in hiding for months after he received a flood of death threats and racist attacks that started when his name leaked onto right-wing websites.

But in his interview with Holt, Byrd said he has no doubt that he made the right decision in light of the circumstances.

“I know that day I saved countless lives,” Byrd said. “I know members of Congress, as well as my fellow officers and staff, were in jeopardy and in serious danger. And that’s my job.”

Byrd said he had no idea whether the person he shot was carrying a weapon. It was only later that night that he found out that the rioter was a woman who was unarmed.

Asked why he pulled the trigger, Byrd said it was a “last resort.”

“I tried to wait as long as I could,” he told Holt. “I hoped and prayed no one tried to enter through those doors. But their failure to comply required me to take the appropriate action to save the lives of members of Congress and myself and my fellow officers.”

[...] 

When hundreds of Trump supporters upset over the results of the election moved on the Capitol, the images of violent clashes were broadcast live on television. But Byrd, stationed outside the House chamber, wasn’t able to watch. He was dependent on his police radio.

When Byrd started hearing reports of officers down, he didn’t know the extent of their injuries. At one point, Byrd said, an even more alarming message came over the radio: a report of shots fired, which he learned much later was false.

Byrd said that after he heard the radio chatter warning that rioters had breached the building, he rushed inside the chamber and instructed the House members to hide under their chairs and to stay away from doors and windows.

He said he told them that pipe bombs had been found in the vicinity of the building and that rioters were using weapons against officers. You need to gather your gas masks, Byrd said he told them.

And he gave one more crucial instruction: He told the House members to take measures to disguise who they were in case they came face to face with the rioters.

“One of the things that was imperative was to inform the members to remove their pins to allow them to blend in,” Byrd said. “To remove their jackets, to look like staff as much as possible.”

As Byrd rushed out of the chamber, he saw the House chaplain take the position he had left on the podium. The chaplain began to recite a prayer with the members of Congress.

“I believe it was at that point in time” that “the members, as well, started to believe serious harm or injury could come to them,” Byrd said.

Byrd said he and the other officers quickly erected the makeshift barricade using every piece of furniture they could find.

“At that point is when I realized they’re here,” Byrd said, referring to the rioters. “The chants got louder. I couldn’t make out what they were saying, but it sounded like hundreds of people outside of that door.”

Video shot by a person in the crowd showed two officers posted in front of the door. Heavily outnumbered, they eventually stepped aside.

Byrd said he had no knowledge that any officers were there. Because of the furniture stacked on his side of the door, he also couldn’t make out how many people were on the other side or whether they were carrying weapons.

“It was impossible for me to see what was on the other side,” he said.

But he did see the person now known to be Babbitt start coming through the broken glass.

“I could not fully see her hands or what was in the backpack or what the intentions are,” Byrd said. “But they had shown violence leading up to that point.”

It was the first time Byrd had ever shot his weapon in his 28 years on the force. Over the next few minutes, he helped the House members evacuate the building. He said it wasn’t until later that night, when he got the chance to watch TV coverage, that he understood the full scope of the Capitol riot.

[...] 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officer-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-during-capitol-riot-breaks-silence-n1277736

[sunday]

34 minutes ago, Simon Tan said:

You cannot charge a black man fearing for his life when threatened by an unarmed white woman.

Well, you can, but your professional career would be finished. Likely your life too.

[Markus Becker]

On 8/15/2021 at 4:26 PM, 17thfabn said:

 On the barriers outside the capitol building. Why were they so minuscule? It wouldn't have taken much to have a much more substantial barrier. A better barrier may not have stopped every one, but it would have limited it to a number that was more manageable for the Capital Police. 

Why were not less than lethal weapons deployed once the crowd surged past the barricades? There are shot guns that fire foam balls covered with pepper spray and a marking agent. Perhaps the Capitol Police do not have this equipment.

 

I read because of BLM and so on: Hands off, was the orders given to police when all the leftists rioted. Apparently the orders were still in force on the 6th.

Or they didn't expect me Republicans to riot. 

[BansheeOne]

43 minutes ago, sunday said:

Well, you can, but your professional career would be finished. Likely your life too.

I think that would be news to that Minneapolis cop who got sentenced to 12.5 years for shooting the Australian woman who banged on the cruiser he rode in. Which is rare mostly in that police officers are not often sentenced on homicide charges after such incidents; including the George Floyd case, there seem to have been only six verdicts which weren't overturned since 2005 in all of the US.

[JWB]

After a group of lawmakers were evacuated from the House chamber to a safe room on Jan. 6, Jordan was joined by Rep. MATT GAETZ (R-Fla.) for a call during which they implored Trump to tell his supporters to stand down, per a source with knowledge of that call. The source declined to say how Trump responded to this request.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/08/29/about-jim-jordans-other-jan-6-call-with-trump-494169

[R011]

 Trump did call for his supporters to stand down.  Whether it was specifically in response to that call or based on other factors is not currently known or really of much importance.

[rmgill]

Looks like the DNC special investigation committee are trying to dig into communications with Trump supporters going back to April of 2020. 

[NickM]

On 8/27/2021 at 3:19 AM, BansheeOne said:

I think that would be news to that Minneapolis cop who got sentenced to 12.5 years for shooting the Australian woman who banged on the cruiser he rode in. Which is rare mostly in that police officers are not often sentenced on homicide charges after such incidents; including the George Floyd case, there seem to have been only six verdicts which weren't overturned since 2005 in all of the US.

A 'Minneapolis Cop'? You mean the totally unqualified 'Token Hire' Somali who should have never been anywhere near a police uniform, but was allowed in for 'diversity purposes',  who shot to death the woman who actually called for help?

Is THAT the guy?

[BansheeOne]

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Seventeen Capitol riot suspects left without counsel after right-wing attorney ‘disappears’

Attorney’s associates have given different explanations for his absences from hearings, ranging from a car crash to a serious Covid-19 infection

Graig Graziosi | 1 day ago

Several Capitol rioters are now without legal counsel as their lawyer appears to have vanished.

The New York Times reports that attorney John Pierce missed a hearing last Tuesday, where he was scheduled to defend one of the 6 January suspects. According to an associate who took his place, Mr Pierce had a "conflict" and could not make the hearing.

Mr Pierce's missed hearing did not cause immediate concern. But he reportedly kept missing hearings, and other lawyers covering for him began offering varied – and sometimes conflicting – explanations for his whereabouts.

On Wednesday, a colleague told a judge that Mr Pierce had fallen ill with Covid-19 and had been put on a ventilator at an area hospital. However, that same colleague told a prosecutor in another case that Mr Pierce had been in a car accident.

Later that night, another associate of Mr Pierce told a reporter that the attorney was in the hospital, but was being treated for "dehydration and exhaustion."

On Monday, the federal government moved to inform defendants in 17 Capitol riot cases that their lawyer had gone missing.

Without Mr Pierce, his attorney's cases cannot move forward, and at some point he will have to be replaced to ensure the Capitol riot suspects have representation in court.

[...] 

Now, federal prosecutors are dealing with his stand-in, an associate named Ryan Joseph Marshall, who is reportedly not a licensed lawyer.

Prosecutors are unsure when Mr Marshall could get his licence, as he is under indictment in his own criminal cases – which accuse him of corruption, theft and fraud – in Pennsylvania.

In the meantime, all prosecutors can do is wait and see if Mr Pierce surfaces.

“Unfortunately, it seems that Mr Pierce may be hospitalised and unable to communicate,” prosecutors wrote on Monday, “and it is unclear when Mr Pierce will recover.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/john-pierce-capitol-riot-counsel-b1911916.html

[Harold Jones]

Grifters gonna grift.

[BansheeOne]

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Date 04.09.2021

US Capitol riot: 'QAnon Shaman' pleads guilty

Jacob Anthony Chansley could face up to 51 months in prison over the January 6 unrest at the US Congress. He has since turned his back on the QAnon conspiracy theory, his lawyer said.

An Arizona man who became one of the most recognized Capitol Hill rioters pleaded guilty on Friday to obstructing a US congressional meeting.

A mob of supporters of former US President Donald Trump had broken into the Capitol building on January 6 to try to stop Congress certifying Joe Biden as the new president.

Known as the "QAnon Shaman," Jacob Anthony Chansley was caught on camera shirtless, carrying a spear and sporting a horned fur hat during the violence. It became one of the images synonymous with the infamous day. 

He has been a subscriber to QAnon, the far-right conspiracy theory blamed for fueling the unrest.

What happened at the hearing?

Speaking by video link to the US District Court in Washington, Chansley admitted to "disorderly and disruptive conduct" when he obstructed congressional proceedings and threatened officials.

His lawyer, Albert Watkins, asked the court to be lenient. "Mr Chansley has zero criminal history, we do know that he was not a planner, he was not violent," Watkins said.

After spending eight months in prison, Chansley expressed regret at what he had done and apologized to anyone he had scared throughout the unrest, Watkins said.

Chansley's lawyer also said his client has since repudiated the QAnon movement and asked that there be no more references to his past affiliations with the movement.

Chansley told the court he had "mental vulnerabilities," although psychiatric professionals had certified Chansley was competent to stand trial before the case.

Sentencing was scheduled for November 17. He could face 41 to 51 months in prison, according to guidelines estimated by the prosecution. 

Watkins also asked the court that his client be released from detention pending sentencing — a request that Lambert said would be considered.

[...]

https://www.dw.com/en/us-capitol-riot-qanon-shaman-pleads-guilty/a-59082131

[Harold Jones]

Thus proving that he was clearly an antifa plant.  I'm sure Biden will quietly pardon him a couple months, or have him killed.

[Ivanhoe]

4 hours ago, Harold Jones said:

Thus proving that he was clearly an antifa plant.  I'm sure Biden will quietly pardon him a couple months, or have him killed.

Or an FBI plant. He'll collect his 6 figure fee, then "find Jesus" and go around giving anti-extremist speeches at $10k a throw.

[Skywalkre]

On 9/7/2021 at 6:36 AM, Harold Jones said:

Thus proving that he was clearly an antifa plant.  I'm sure Biden will quietly pardon him a couple months, or have him killed.

You referring to the article above your post referencing the 'QAnon Shaman'?  How in the world does that article clearly make him out to be an antifa plant?

[Harold Jones]

Just applying the standard of logic i see from the ever Trumper crowd. If he wasn't a plant he would have fought for his right to peacefully storm and occupy the people's house. By taking a cushy plea deal he clearly indicates that he was never truly committed to Trump and making America great again.

[sunday]

19 minutes ago, Harold Jones said:

his right to peacefully storm and occupy the people's house

Curious, I've not seen writings reflecting this way of thinking that came from the opposition to BLM, Antifa, Marxists, Anarchists, Environmentalists, abortists, satanists, and the like.

Could you provide some link?

[Harold Jones]

Not sure what you are asking for here? But because the internet exists I'm sure that a quick Google search will provide you with the info you are looking for.

[rmgill]

13 hours ago, sunday said:

Curious, I've not seen writings reflecting this way of thinking that came from the opposition to BLM, Antifa, Marxists, Anarchists, Environmentalists, abortists, satanists, and the like.

Could you provide some link?

You want to see justifications for the riots by the left over the past year? 

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/07/28-times-media-and-democrats-excused-or-endorsed-violence-committed-by-left-wing-activists/

[sunday]

30 minutes ago, rmgill said:

You want to see justifications for the riots by the left over the past year? 

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/07/28-times-media-and-democrats-excused-or-endorsed-violence-committed-by-left-wing-activists/

No, the justifications by the opposition to the left.

There was that thing that unusual claims need unusual proof, and that other about the one making the claims should bring the proof - things that characterize a fair debating style.

However, one could find some acorns without looking for them, like this quite worrying, albeit inspiring, funny, and entertaining one
 

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Frankie Sez "Relax"

Greetings Me Droogs N Droogettes!

I am now fully convinced that everything we're getting, seeing and hearing is designed to cause a 'rebellion on the right'.  Change my mind.  Yesterdays 'presser' with the (p)Resident The Dementor-in-Chief, Emperor Poopypants the First, Chief Executive of the Kidsmeller Pursuivant, Good Ole Slo Xi-Den was designed to infuriate.  Case in point:



The language

The tone

The presentation

The content

ALL designed and probably put together by the 'Committee' that's actually running the show.  And of this group, they went as hard as they could into full on Dictatorial Mode, hoping that r/ourguys do something stupid.  

To which I say: Relax.

I know it's a bitter pill to swallow.  I know it's retardation at it's finest.  Thing is, it also shows how desperate they're getting.  All you have to do is quietly fail to comply.  Refuse.  Remember the -best- way is to use some of the shit that brought another Socialist Bureaucratic-Oriented DotGov to it's knees.  That was Poland.

(...)

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by sunday

[BansheeOne]

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September 11, 2021 - 07:46 PM EDT

Capitol Police recommend disciplinary action for six officers

BY JORDAN WILLIAMS

U.S. Capitol Police recommended disciplinary action in six officers following its internal investigation into the behavior of some members of the force who responded to the Jan. 6 attacks. 

In a statement released Saturday, Capitol Police said it opened 38 internal investigations related to the misconduct probe. Of those investigations, six cases sustained violations and were recommended for disciplinary action.  

The Justice Department did not find sufficient evidence that any of the officers committed a crime, according to the release.  

"The six sustained cases should not diminish the heroic efforts of the United States Capitol Police officers," Capitol Police said. "On January 6, the bravery and courage exhibited by the vast majority of our employees was inspiring."

[...] 

USCP said Saturday that it was only able to identify officers in 26 of the 38 cases it opened. No wrongdoing was found in 20 of the cases, but violations were sustained in six.

Three of the cases sustained were for "conduct unbecoming," the agency said. One case involved a failure to comply with directives, one involved improper remarks and the last involved "improper dissemination of information."

In another case, an official is accused of unsatisfactory performance and conduct unbecoming, but USCP said in the release that the case is still pending.

About a month after the events of Jan. 6, Capitol Police suspended six officers over their actions in responding to the riots. It was unclear if the six "cases" mentioned Saturday by Capitol Police were related to the suspensions.

[...] 

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/571852-capitol-police-recommend-disciplinary-action-for-six-cases-in-jan-6

Also: How to impress judges and make friends in the judicial system. 

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Utah man in Capitol riot trial to be held after alleged 'eat your flesh' threat

By Sommer Brokaw
Sept. 11, 2021 at 4:54 PM

Sept. 11 (UPI) -- A Utah man accused of multiple felonies in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot will be held in custody after threatening to eat the flesh of a pretrial release supervisor.

Landon Kenneth Copeland, 33, of Hildale, Utah, and Iraq war veteran, initially was granted pretrial release after he was arrested in April on charges alleging that he assaulted officers and obstructed law enforcement in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, WUSA 9 reported.

But in May, Copeland became enraged after hearing that an attorney described a Capitol riot defendant as suffering from "Foxitis," due to watching Fox News constantly. He allegedly threatened his pretrial release supervisor in Utah, saying "I will eat your flesh for nutrients! You don't know what I am!" according to WUSA 9.

Prosecutors told CNN that Copeland had been released for just two days before he allegedly stormed to the probation office, pressed his head against bulletproof glass separating him from the probation officer, and made the cannibalistic threat.

Following the alleged threat, Copeland was taken back into custody and a psychologist was ordered to determine whether he was competent to stand trial.

Judge Robin Meriweather decided Friday at a hearing that Copeland should remain in custody until he faces trial, WUSA 9 and CNN reported.

"Mr. Copeland's conduct in the short time of his release speaks loudly," Meriweather said at the hearing.

"It does appear mental health and substance abuse is in fact a role," in the incident with the probation officer, Meriweather added, CNN reported. "Something like that will happen when he is on his own," and not under jail supervision.

[...] 

In early May, Copeland also ranted about his disapproval of the court and the Department of Justice at a hearing before Meriweather.

"I'm going to tell you what you're going to do," Copeland yelled at Meriweather, WUSA 9 reported. "You're going to give me what the [expletive] I want! You're going to do what the [expletive] I tell you to do! I'm in the middle of the desert! You can't [expletive] find me! You can't [expletive] come get me!"

[...] 

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/09/11/utah-landon-copeland-custody-capitol-riot-trial-eat-your-flesh-threat/8371631387096/