What air ordnance are the Israelis using in Gaza air strikes?

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

No, I'm not.  Israel is increasingly over its head and getting further into deep water.  Bibi has to go and the US needs to get boots on the ground over there to send the signal that shit has to calm down.  

 

So let's get this straight, you were and are against NATO expansion, but you want NATO to expand?

[glenn239]

15 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

So let's get this straight, you were and are against NATO expansion in Eastern Europe, but you want NATO to expand into Palestine to protect Israel?

Fixed it for you.   

Edited May 26, 2021 by glenn239

[Ssnake]

8 hours ago, glenn239 said:

if Hamas can get extremely precise missiles then they can better hit the Israeli military command and control without hurting any Israeli civilians.

as if that was their goal.

[rmgill]

The problem is that Palestinians have the view that the highest goal for their kids is that they die killing some jews. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

12 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Fixed it for you.   

Deeply confused reasoning. Whats going to happen to all those NATO troops next time Israel sees the need to bomb Palestine. They are going to get shot at, blown up, assaulted, kidnapped, killed. I know, these are all the kind of things that happened when my Grandfather was in Palestine under the British mandate. Its the kind of things that were happening when Israel patrolled Palestine too.

You are completely totally unwilling to have NATO troops shot at by Russians, but Palestinians are ok?   Why are Israelis any more worth protecting than Ukrainians? There are jews living there as well you know.

Edited May 27, 2021 by Stuart Galbraith

[glenn239]

15 hours ago, Ssnake said:

as if that was their goal.

There is a bit of a paradox for Israel in that politically they make great hay out of the inaccuracy of Pali missiles, but militarily they would be loath that Hamas get missiles that were sufficiently precise that they would not longer be indiscriminate.  

[glenn239]

5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Deeply confused reasoning.

I get the impression that for you countries like Ukraine are not so much allies as they are live bait.  Myself, I think Ukraine is better off outside NATO.  Like Finland.   At least for the next few decades.   

 

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Whats going to happen to all those NATO troops next time Israel sees the need to bomb Palestine. They are going to get shot at, blown up, assaulted, kidnapped, killed. I know, these are all the kind of things that happened when my Grandfather was in Palestine under the British mandate. Its the kind of things that were happening when Israel patrolled Palestine too.

So you're saying that the Israelis would attack NATO troops in Palestine even if Israel was a member NATO?  Huh.  I would have thought that if Israel joins NATO that they'd be on NATO's side.   

 

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You are completely totally unwilling to have NATO troops shot at by Russians, but Palestinians are ok?   Why are Israelis any more worth protecting than Ukrainians? There are jews living there as well you know.

We can't protect Ukraine - if NATO tries to expand there Ukraine will cease to exist as a country.  We can resolve the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.   Why would you be confused about concentrating on constructive rather than destructive policies?  

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

So you're saying that the Israelis would attack NATO troops in Palestine even if Israel was a member NATO?  Huh.  I would have thought that if Israel joins NATO that they'd be on NATO's side.   

He was saying that if NATO troops were stationed INSIDE Gaza, and another war broke out, NATO troops would be right in the middle of the crossfire.

Israel would have sufficient tools to effectively avoid NATO troops, but not entirely. This situation would breed incidents, diplomatic in nature, and it could be used to fuel hatred of Israel in Europe. For example there was a deadly incident with the UNIFIL forces, when Hezbollah used their compound to fire into Israel.

UNIFIL's excuse? They did not know, and could not verify, that Hezbollah has indeed done that.

This is an inherently worse situation when Israel is struggling to find non-Islamic opinion in the west.

[Der Zeitgeist]

After you guys wake up from the Israel in NATO and US invading Gaza-fever dreams, maybe read this interesting article about he IDF using machine learning and AI to improve its targeting process in Gaza:

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/guardian-of-the-walls-the-first-ai-war-669371

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

He was saying that if NATO troops were stationed INSIDE Gaza, and another war broke out, NATO troops would be right in the middle of the crossfire..

If the US occupies Gaza then Hamas has either surrendered or been destroyed and all the rockets are gone.  What war are you thinking could break out between Gaza and Israel in those circumstances?  Who in Gaza are you thinking is firing rockets at Israel if Hamas does not exist and all the rockets are gone?   What do you think the point of the occupation of Gaza would be if not to remove Hamas and the rockets?

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Israel would have sufficient tools to effectively avoid NATO troops, but not entirely. 

Why would US troops require Israeli close air support while Gaza was being pacified?   All the air support would be performed by US aircraft operating from Israeli or Egyptian bases, or from US carriers offshore. 

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This is an inherently worse situation when Israel is struggling to find non-Islamic opinion in the west.

You seem to want Hamas to continue to exist.  Why?

Edited May 27, 2021 by glenn239

[TrustMe]

In the latest issue of Airforce Monthly, it covers the munitions that Israel dropped. They dropped over 1500 of them...

JDAM, Small Diameter Bomb, Hellfire, Spike Non Line of Sight BLU 109/117 bunker busters, Spice 2000 and Mikholt. After the war Israel ordered $735 million of new munitions from the US.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by TrustMe

[Mighty_Zuk]

9 hours ago, TrustMe said:

In the latest issue of Airforce Monthly, it covers the munitions that Israel dropped. They dropped over 1500 of them...

JDAM, Small Diameter Bomb, Hellfire, Spike Non Line of Sight BLU 109/117 bunker busters, Spice 2000 and Mikholt. After the war Israel ordered $735 million of new munitions from the US.

 

 

Link?

[TrustMe]

I don't have a link, it's a paper magazine. Low tech or what 😀

[Stuart Galbraith]

You can buy it on Kindle too. It's a good magazine.

[Mighty_Zuk]

10 hours ago, TrustMe said:

I don't have a link, it's a paper magazine. Low tech or what 😀

Okay but maybe a few more details. Does Israel buy Spike NLOS from the US, as well as Mikholit? 

I also know that order was for Iron Dome interceptors as well.

[TrustMe]

37 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Okay but maybe a few more details. Does Israel buy Spike NLOS from the US, as well as Mikholit? 

I also know that order was for Iron Dome interceptors as well.

The Mikholt is an Israel air to surface weapon dropped from a Hermes 450 ( I don't know of other Israeli UAV's can use it).

Spike NLOS is an Israeli manufactured anti tank weapon. It may have parts from non-Israeli sources like Iron Dome but i'm not 100% sure.

[Colin]

Nobody in the West or the ME loves the Palestinians enough to put their soldiers into harms way to protect Hamas.