On the way Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 What the hell is the IDF dropping over there? They are leveling entire buildings with what seems like one or 2 bombs. In particular the media building in Gaza housing Al Jazeera and AP offices. The precision is incredible too. The building is situated in between 2 other buildings and they drop the whole building without touching the neighboring buildings. We saw such precision during Desert Storm, but the JDAMS or PGMs dropped on Iraqi buildings blew the building out, not collapsed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Hit it in the middle, and the building blows inside out. Hit it with a smaller JDAM (125, 250 lb) and hit the base, with delayed fuze, and the building buries the crater under it. That's what I'd suspect. But of course I'm just speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On the way Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, Ssnake said: Hit it in the middle, and the building blows inside out. Hit it with a smaller JDAM (125, 250 lb) and hit the base, with delayed fuze, and the building buries the crater under it. That's what I'd suspect. But of course I'm just speculating. Yes, the delayed fuse makes total sense. I am not sure a 250lb JDAM would do the job. The whole thing looks like a professional demolition company came in and dropped the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Its certainly JDAM's, there has been some amazing photo's taken of them in their last few seconds,looks like Mk82's, maybe Mk83's fitted with a JDAM kit. It seems as Nils suggests to be they are burrowing into the substructure. If you remember the WW2 earthquake bombs, they aimed them to the side of the structure,thebomb would burrow, create a camoflet when it explodes, and the bridge/structure would collapse into it. This appears to be very similar. Its why the explosions look so strange on film, they are seemingly detonating below ground. They clearly ARE trying to avoid civilian casualties to give credit where its due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 GBU-32? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detonable Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Not seeing any shockwaves. I’m guessing they are using a thermobaric or a heavily aluminumized fill to generate pressure , with only enough shock to heat the contents to the reaction temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I still think they are going off underground. Look at the highly localised, very concentrated smoke plumes. Go straight up,probably straight through the entry hole. You wouldnt get much shockwave off that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I'm sure that Gaza building regulations are top-quality, so the buildings would be quite difficult to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Im amazed they have got any high rise buildings at all. I sure as hell wouldnt want to spend any time in one, war or no war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Well, real estate in Gaza comes at a premium, no doubt further exacerbated by Hamas fixing the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 There is that. I would guess they are going with a lot of prefabricating, presumably bought in from abroad in some cases. Of course, as we saw with our 1960's high rises, the problem is not necessarily the components, its how you assemble them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 That, and having rocket factories in the basement, with a kindergarden and flower shops at ground level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 The IDF used a greater share of bunker busting bombs this round than ever before, in part to allow greater precision in destroying dangerous high rise buildings. Fire the munition at an angle that allows it to bury itself beneath the building without touching it, then detonate the destroy the foundations. What enables this surgical operation, which we saw resulted in much fewer casualties than previous rounds, is the higher level of precision of common munitions. Instead of a CEP of 10m, munitions today have precision of sub 1m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) The pre-warnings were also an important part of keeping casualties down. I would bet that the IAF was watching these buildings in real time, waiting to see civilians leaving beforehand, and only afterwards making the attack. Edited May 25, 2021 by glenn239 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 On 5/18/2021 at 1:37 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: They clearly ARE trying to avoid civilian casualties to give credit where its due. I saw a blurb which implied that for some Pals, the Israelis are looking better than Hamas. If the IDF can maximize Hamas casualties and minimize civilians, there may be a net gain in local perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 I dont think they are going to win many hearts and minds by bombing Palestinians. OTOH, when you see footage by Western reporters walking around the hit areas, the surgical strike capability of the IDF is really very impressive. It must mean that Hamas is not winning quite as many converts as they must have assumed they would, and that more than anything else may be why they pulled the plug on the operation. Its not 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: I dont think they are going to win many hearts and minds by bombing Palestinians. OTOH, when you see footage by Western reporters walking around the hit areas, the surgical strike capability of the IDF is really very impressive. It must mean that Hamas is not winning quite as many converts as they must have assumed they would, and that more than anything else may be why they pulled the plug on the operation. Its not 2014. Don't confuse either side with the Borg, there are several Palestinian factions operating in Gaza, not necessarily under Hamas control nor less radical, so the bombing is also used by Hamas leadership to kill some rivals and reasert itself. Which is why they are more than happy to agree to a ceasefire after some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 15 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: I saw a blurb which implied that for some Pals, the Israelis are looking better than Hamas. If the IDF can maximize Hamas casualties and minimize civilians, there may be a net gain in local perception. Sure, and if Hamas can get extremely precise missiles then they can better hit the Israeli military command and control without hurting any Israeli civilians. Quote RETAC21 Don't confuse either side with the Borg, there are several Palestinian factions operating in Gaza, not necessarily under Hamas control nor less radical, so the bombing is also used by Hamas leadership to kill some rivals and reasert itself. Which is why they are more than happy to agree to a ceasefire after some time. At some point the international community will reject Israeli and American arguments that Hamas is a terrorist organization on the basis of the fact that Israel and the US have deliberately allowed Hamas to rule Gaza and therefore it must be considered the government of Gaza, and if the Americans and Israelis think any differently, then they can get off their asses and occupy Gaza like should have been done 15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: I dont think they are going to win many hearts and minds by bombing Palestinians. OTOH, when you see footage by Western reporters walking around the hit areas, the surgical strike capability of the IDF is really very impressive. It must mean that Hamas is not winning quite as many converts as they must have assumed they would, and that more than anything else may be why they pulled the plug on the operation. Its not 2014. Indeed it's not 2014. Iran, Russia and now China are increasing influence in the region. I think Israel's best move is to get into NATO, and NATO should let Israel come in with a declared nuclear arsenal as part of the NATO inventory, Israelis Worry Beijing Will Increase Syrian Presence « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary Edited May 26, 2021 by glenn239 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 3 hours ago, glenn239 said: ... I think Israel's best move is to get into NATO, and NATO should let Israel come in with a declared nuclear arsenal as part of the NATO inventory... Are you joking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 29 minutes ago, TrustMe said: Are you joking? No, I'm not. Israel is increasingly over its head and getting further into deep water. Bibi has to go and the US needs to get boots on the ground over there to send the signal that shit has to calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 The NATO admission process is a 'black ball' one. Any one of the existing NATO nations has a veto over a future NATO admission. I can't see Israel getting all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Possible, but if the US can't get NATO in, then it still needs to get over there itself. Russia, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Turkey, now even China too? Israel could use some US boots on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 8 hours ago, RETAC21 said: Don't confuse either side with the Borg, there are several Palestinian factions operating in Gaza, not necessarily under Hamas control nor less radical, so the bombing is also used by Hamas leadership to kill some rivals and reasert itself. Which is why they are more than happy to agree to a ceasefire after some time. I take your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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