At least one Republican has their head on correctly

[rmgill]

10 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

So lets get this straight, having several thousand agrieved Trump supporters storming your Senate flying Confederate flags and threatening to hang politicians, kill policemen and shit down the walls is perfectly normal behaviour for a US Democracy?

DID YOU MISS THE YEAR OF RIOTING BY THE LEFT ACROSS THE WHOLE EFFING COUNTRY?

It was 2 BILLION in damages. It's STILL GOING ON. STOP Pounding that Trump/January 6th Drum. Democrats in Congress who FUNDED the rioting are still in congress. TODAY. 

Are you planning on running in this years Upper Class Twit competition or something? 
 

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So how come its never happened before? Even NIxon, never shy about under the counter dealings, put the national guard on the Senate with M60 machine guns to make sure it didnt happen. He clearly saw such an act would be a national disgrace, so why cant you?

Political rioting has never happened before? Do you just listen to what ever the  BBC pumps into your face for what the Evil republicans have done and ignore the actions of the US Democrats? The Democrats had rioting outside of their Conventions more than once. 
 

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Asserting that you can actually look at events squarely in the eye and see them as they self evidently are is the problem.

Well, when you see ONE event and ignore all the rest, clearly you've got your finger on the problem. There are no other problems to speak of. Pay no attention to the antisemites in the DNC RIGHT NOW. 

 

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I honestly think if someone drove an M1 up the Senate steps you would perceive that as a legitimate act of protest, after first finding out whether the driver was a Republican and not a Democrat of course.

Stuart, we've been told by the left leaning media for the past bloody year that Rioting, burning down buildings, looting, assaulting people and the like is all reasonable protest. 

JUST STOP complaining that the right did it ONCE when the left is doing it and STILL doing it.

In fact, we've had 40 plus years of the left breaking into government or private buildings, disrupting operations of the government, the business and calling it a protest. The Media have done so too. Even the sitting Congresswoman AOC did this HERSELF, IN THE HALLOWED HALLS OF CONGRESS. 

The fact that the right did their act ONE TIME and the left continues to do so and you're stuck on the one act by the right, It's blindingly stupid. 

Edited May 15, 2021 by rmgill

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, nitflegal said:

I double dog dare you to say the exact same thing on social media about George Floyd. . . 

Or Rayshard Brooks. 

[rmgill]

Clearly, they need to be shot by security right? Clearly it's a major threat to democracy that we need to hammer this point home regardless of all other points and make sure that those involved are censored and removed from the public discourse. RIGHT? 

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-06-23/sit-ins-in-congress-are-rare-but-not-unheard-of

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/02/27/democrats-hold-2-hour-georgia-capitol-sit-in-on-voting-bills/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/remember_when_lefties_stormed_into_and_occupied_a_senate_office_building_in_2018_and_the_wisconsin_state_capitol_in_2011.html

 

Edited May 15, 2021 by rmgill

[Ivanhoe]

Glenn Greenwald has the receipts;

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/liz-cheney-lied-about-her-role-in

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The issue is not merely that Cheney lied: that would hardly be news. It is that the entire media narrative about Cheney's removal from her House leadership role is a fraud. Her attacks on Trump and her party leadership were not confined to criticisms of the role played by the former president in contesting the validity of the 2020 election outcome or inciting the January 6 Capitol riot — because Liz Cheney is such a stalwart defender of the need for truth and adherence to the rule of law in politics.

 

[MiloMorai]

Someone is not right between the ears if they equate the civil discord with the storming of the primary house of government because they were egged on by a person not happy with the results of an election.

[Markus Becker]

😅😅 

[JasonJ]

The capital guards didn't try very hard in keeping the crowd from storming the capital. Everyone new tensions were high. I would think any responsible security chief would put in place high level of security. The crowd that stormed the capital were not met stiff security at the fence perameter otherwise such footage would be there of such a scene at the paremeter before any scene happening inside of the building could be filmed. Crowdd have been storming state capitals beforehand in the US and elsewhere such as in Germany recently. If the guards at the peremeter are lax, its little surprise the crowd would follow the meta and try their luck in charging in the biggest gov cap buildng of'emall.

 

On the contrary, the many civil discords of rioting and arsen that damaged or destroyed quite possible 100s of businesses and homes and adding that history and experience into the long term atmosphere of those neighbors. 

 

By far the latter had a greater impact on ordinary citizens. If the symbolizing of the state capital was so important, then the crowd would have been kept at bay.

[Stuart Galbraith]

17 hours ago, rmgill said:

DID YOU MISS THE YEAR OF RIOTING BY THE LEFT ACROSS THE WHOLE EFFING COUNTRY?

It was 2 BILLION in damages. It's STILL GOING ON. STOP Pounding that Trump/January 6th Drum. Democrats in Congress who FUNDED the rioting are still in congress. TODAY. 

Are you planning on running in this years Upper Class Twit competition or something? 
 

Political rioting has never happened before? Do you just listen to what ever the  BBC pumps into your face for what the Evil republicans have done and ignore the actions of the US Democrats? The Democrats had rioting outside of their Conventions more than once. 
 

Well, when you see ONE event and ignore all the rest, clearly you've got your finger on the problem. There are no other problems to speak of. Pay no attention to the antisemites in the DNC RIGHT NOW. 

 

Stuart, we've been told by the left leaning media for the past bloody year that Rioting, burning down buildings, looting, assaulting people and the like is all reasonable protest. 

JUST STOP complaining that the right did it ONCE when the left is doing it and STILL doing it.

In fact, we've had 40 plus years of the left breaking into government or private buildings, disrupting operations of the government, the business and calling it a protest. The Media have done so too. Even the sitting Congresswoman AOC did this HERSELF, IN THE HALLOWED HALLS OF CONGRESS. 

The fact that the right did their act ONE TIME and the left continues to do so and you're stuck on the one act by the right, It's blindingly stupid. 

Ill say it again, just so you dont miss it.

 

DID YOU MISS PEOPLE WITH CONFEDERATE FLAGS AND NAZI INSIGNIA STORM YOUR OWN SENATE, SHIT DOWN THE WALLS, THREATEN TO KIDNAP AND HANG POLITICIANS, ASSAULT POLICEMEN, SPRAY THEM WITH BEAR SPRAY AND GENERALLY ACT LIKE EVERY WORST ASPECT YOU ASCRIBE TO BLM?

I dont have to support, endorse or in other way support BLM to have to find it unacceptable. What part of two wrongs dont make it fucking right is it so hard to drill into your skull Ryan?

 

I dont support ANY violence against police, whether its leftist or rightest in origin. So pretending that because the left does it the right can too.

Its not right whomever does it, I dont support it, so kindly dont fucking try and sell me that London bridge, because im not buying.

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Stuart Galbraith

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 minute ago, JasonJ said:

The capital guards didn't try very hard in keeping the crowd from storming the capital. Everyone new tensions were high. I would think any responsible security chief would put in place high level of security. The crowd that stormed the capital were not met stiff security at the fence perameter otherwise such footage would be there of such a scene at the paremeter before any scene happening inside of the building could be filmed. Crowdd have been storming state capitals beforehand in the US and elsewhere such as in Germany recently. If the guards at the peremeter are lax, its little surprise the crowd would follow the meta and try their luck in charging in the biggest gov cap buildng of'emall.

 

On the contrary, the many civil discords of rioting and arsen that damaged or destroyed quite possible 100s of businesses and homes and adding that history and experience into the long term atmosphere of those neighbors. 

 

By far the latter had a greater impact on ordinary citizens. If the symbolizing of the state capital was so important, then the crowd would have been kept at bay.

The distinction has to be made between the Capitol police, whom did the best they could in impossible circumstances, and their political leadership, who engineered the circumstances that were impossible. They kept people out of the chamber long enough to evacuate it. I think that was a remarkable effort considering what they had to work with.

Once you go down the road of 'gee, that guy burned that store down/killed that guy/hit that policeman, i guess I can too!' is the point when society is irretrievably lost. Yes, I get the point people get frustrated, yes I get the idea that that policy/statue/history is inciteful and people want to do something about it. Its no excuse for violence whatever political party does it.

I learned in the school playground, two wrongs dont make a right. So why are so many apparently intelligent people acting like clueless children that dont know any better? We do know better guys, so lets not endorse it.

[JasonJ]

4 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The distinction has to be made between the Capitol police, whom did the best they could in impossible circumstances, and their political leadership, who engineered the circumstances that were impossible. They kept people out of the chamber long enough to evacuate it. I think that was a remarkable effort considering what they had to work with.

Once you go down the road of 'gee, that guy burned that store down/killed that guy/hit that policeman, i guess I can too!' is the point when society is irretrievably lost. Yes, I get the point people get frustrated, yes I get the idea that that policy/statue/history is inciteful and people want to do something about it. Its no excuse for violence whatever political party does it.

I learned in the school playground, two wrongs dont make a right. So why are so many apparently intelligent people acting like clueless children that dont know any better? We do know better guys, so lets not endorse it.

Where's an actual souce that describes a struggle at the perameter fences?

If there isn't one, then the wackos were let in.

[Mikel2]

17 hours ago, rmgill said:

DID YOU MISS THE YEAR OF RIOTING BY THE LEFT ACROSS THE WHOLE EFFING COUNTRY?

It was 2 BILLION in damages. It's STILL GOING ON. STOP Pounding that Trump/January 6th Drum. Democrats in Congress who FUNDED the rioting are still in congress. TODAY. 

Are you planning on running in this years Upper Class Twit competition or something? 
 

Political rioting has never happened before? Do you just listen to what ever the  BBC pumps into your face for what the Evil republicans have done and ignore the actions of the US Democrats? The Democrats had rioting outside of their Conventions more than once. 
 

Well, when you see ONE event and ignore all the rest, clearly you've got your finger on the problem. There are no other problems to speak of. Pay no attention to the antisemites in the DNC RIGHT NOW. 

 

Stuart, we've been told by the left leaning media for the past bloody year that Rioting, burning down buildings, looting, assaulting people and the like is all reasonable protest. 

JUST STOP complaining that the right did it ONCE when the left is doing it and STILL doing it.

In fact, we've had 40 plus years of the left breaking into government or private buildings, disrupting operations of the government, the business and calling it a protest. The Media have done so too. Even the sitting Congresswoman AOC did this HERSELF, IN THE HALLOWED HALLS OF CONGRESS. 

The fact that the right did their act ONE TIME and the left continues to do so and you're stuck on the one act by the right, It's blindingly stupid. 

 

The biggest difference between the two violent events (even more than magnitude and duration) is that 1/6/21 was immediately and overwhelmingly condemned by the right, whereas I would be a rich man if I had a dime for every person on the left (including in the highest levels of government) who has applauded or made excuses for the violence from the left.

[R011]

43 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The distinction has to be made between the Capitol police, whom did the best they could in impossible circumstances, and their political leadership, who engineered the circumstances that were impossible. They kept people out of the chamber long enough to evacuate it. I think that was a remarkable effort considering what they had to work with.

Once you go down the road of 'gee, that guy burned that store down/killed that guy/hit that policeman, i guess I can too!' is the point when society is irretrievably lost. Yes, I get the point people get frustrated, yes I get the idea that that policy/statue/history is inciteful and people want to do something about it. Its no excuse for violence whatever political party does it.

I learned in the school playground, two wrongs dont make a right. So why are so many apparently intelligent people acting like clueless children that dont know any better? We do know better guys, so lets not endorse it.

No one is saying two wrongs make a right.  Few, if any here, supported the rioting on 6 January.  Almost no one of political importance supported it, including Trump.  It's the hypocrisy of condemning one while excusing and minimizing the other people are objecting to.  A year of rioting, deaths, injuries, looting, and arson compared a a few hours of comparatively minor damage.

By the way, I noticed the contemptible way you retracted your claim about a police officer being murdered without acknowledging you made an error.  This speaks poorly of your intent, credibility, and character.

[R011]

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Someone is not right between the ears if they equate the civil discord with the storming of the primary house of government because they were egged on by a person not happy with the results of an election.

You said it.  A year of rioting, billions of dollars in damages, people killed, minority businesses forced to close being equated to a couple of hours and some minor clean up.  Yep.  Someone ain't right here and it's you.

[sunday]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

By the way, I noticed the contemptible way you retracted your claim about a police officer being murdered without acknowledging you made an error.  This speaks poorly of your intent, credibility, and character.

So he must be ignored.

[DKTanker]

Perhaps one day the public will be allowed to view the surveillance videos of January 6th.  Perhaps one day the media will ask about those videos and wonder why they're being hidden behind lock and key.

I don't think they'll be released during the course of my remaining lifetime.

I do think that should anyone start questioning why they haven't be released, they'd be attacked as a supporter of the "insurrection."

[Ivanhoe]

Exactly how many confederate flags were being paraded inside the Senate building? Or outside?

 

[rmgill]

15 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Someone is not right between the ears if they equate the civil discord with the storming of the primary house of government because they were egged on by a person not happy with the results of an election.

The left has been storming buildings for decades. Including because they didn't get the result they wanted. Including the rioting in DC on Trump's inauguration? If they'd had the numbers, I'm sure they'd have tried to storm something other than a Starbucks and some black guys limo. 

Mind you, they've been storming other houses of government including the one in DC before. 

 

[rmgill]

No, Stuart, how could I? You've been reminding us of it non stop for the past 5 months. Including lying about how the cop was murdered and beating that drum. When you're not beating the RUSSIA! Drum, you're beating that one. 

This is why Liz Cheney lost her position in the GOP Caucus. 

However Stuart, I guess you're patently ignoring the rioting the left is STILL performing and that the sitting VP supported it with money from her own pocket. Not to mention the other DNC members who lauded more of that same behavior. 

You can't see the larger issue because your'e stuck on one incident. This is the same sort of mendacious crap that makes the British exactly the same as the Nazi Era Germans in the eyes of the left.

Edited May 17, 2021 by rmgill

[rmgill]

13 hours ago, Mikel2 said:

 

The biggest difference between the two violent events (even more than magnitude and duration) is that 1/6/21 was immediately and overwhelmingly condemned by the right, whereas I would be a rich man if I had a dime for every person on the left (including in the highest levels of government) who has applauded or made excuses for the violence from the left.

So much damage was done to Congress that they were able to resume legislative work hours later. 

Meanwhile in Portland..

[rmgill]

 

[glenn239]

13 hours ago, rmgill said:

No, Stuart, how could I? You've been reminding us of it non stop for the past 5 months. Including lying about how the cop was murdered and beating that drum. 

In Stuart's defense, I bought that 'a cop was murdered by protestors' nonsense hook line and sinker too, at the start.  Even after watching 5 years of increasingly stupid CNN coverage, it never seriously occurred to me that they would attempt that level of deception on an officer's death.  It was only a few weeks later, after I realized that whatever video coverage they had of officer Sicknick did not show what they were claiming did I start to think that maybe it wasn't the case. 

[nitflegal]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

In Stuart's defense, I bought that 'a cop was murdered by protestors' nonsense hook line and sinker too, at the start.  Even after watching 5 years of increasingly stupid CNN coverage, it never seriously occurred to me that they would attempt that level of deception on an officer's death.  It was only a few weeks later, after I realized that whatever video coverage they had of officer Sicknick did not show what they were claiming did I start to think that maybe it wasn't the case. 

I think most people did because the lie was too big to believe it was a lie.  Note that our esteemed media never dug to be able to report more accurately (if less click-baitey) that five people associated with the trespassing are dead, four of whom by unknown causes and one after being shot by capitol police. 

All irrelevant now as the big lie worked.  Stuart is a smart and well informed guy and the original story is still in his head.  For the sizable minority of US citizens who want to believe in the worst version of the "insurrection" the memories have been formed and they will not change.  It provided the pretext to demonize half the country and is allowing all of the behind the scenes civil rights violations in the name of combatting white supremacy, something worse than the current race riots going on every night with dozens dead, China and Russia, etc.  

[rmgill]

8 minutes ago, nitflegal said:

All irrelevant now as the big lie worked.  Stuart is a smart and well informed guy and the original story is still in his head. 

It wasn't hard to dig up that the deaths were NOT what they were made out to be. You just have to actually look instead of drinking what ever swill they hand you. And with a riot, of course you have to take every incident with a grain of salt and double check sources. This requires time and effort. Look at the riot in Minnesota where the 3 felons got shot by the 19yo with the rifle. That was complicated and it took weeks of non-media types sifting through footage to see what happened with one person. But the media is still stuck on the lefty narrative that a racist nazi kid went and shot some black lives matter protestors. 

And if you do so and can't engage, while continuing to repeat the lies, one is clearly NOT well informed, one is in fact very misinformed. 

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For the sizable minority of US citizens who want to believe in the worst version of the "insurrection" the memories have been formed and they will not change.  It provided the pretext to demonize half the country and is allowing all of the behind the scenes civil rights violations in the name of combatting white supremacy, something worse than the current race riots going on every night with dozens dead, China and Russia, etc.  

Which is precisely why the GOP sidelined a congresswoman who was continuing to beat that drum instead of being clear on what was and was not more important. 

Edited May 17, 2021 by rmgill