At least one Republican has their head on correctly

[Josh]

2 hours ago, R011 said:

You already said that and I already said why.  Apparently, like Cheney, you forget Trump isn't president anymore.

One could quite argue that reverse: that most of the GOP doesn't realize he isn't president after losing both houses of Congress and being impeached twice. But I myself am quite happy that Republicans are clinging to failure; it can only hurt their cause long term.

[glenn239]

12 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Cheney has a more Conservative voting record (and one more in line with what Trump wanted) than her suggested replacement.  If fealty to Trump is all that defines what makes one an R these days than all principles have been abandoned by the party... (Then again, I've always argued they had few if any principles to begin with outside of kissing the ass of their donors.)

  Up here in Canada Trudeau has ejected members of the Liberal party from the party for less insubordination.

[lucklucky]

Republicans do well to cling to Trump. But there are good and bad reasons for that. The good reason is that Trump was the only one that had balls to combat the Left and the Totalitarian Democratic party and its journalists .  Yes, Democratic Party today is not liberal anymore.

In fact one of the failure of Republicans at large is not noticing it and still calling them "liberal" as a reflex.

[MiloMorai]

57 minutes ago, lucklucky said:

Republicans do well to cling to Trump. But there are good and bad reasons for that. The good reason is that Trump was the only one that had balls to combat the Left and the Totalitarian Democratic party and its journalists .  Yes, Democratic Party today is not liberal anymore.

In fact one of the failure of Republicans at large is not noticing it and still calling them "liberal" as a reflex.

The GOP of today is not the GOP of yesterday. They have totally lost their way.

[Angrybk]

4 hours ago, glenn239 said:

  Up here in Canada Trudeau has ejected members of the Liberal party from the party for less insubordination.

“Insubordination” = refuting the idea that Trump lost the election because it was stolen, which is totally false. The Republican (if you can even call it that anymore) rank and file largely believe this, which is why it’s over for her, and also is why the next few years are going to be terrible for the US politically. 

[DKTanker]

21 minutes ago, Angrybk said:

“Insubordination” = refuting the idea that Trump lost the election because it was stolen, which is totally false. The Republican (if you can even call it that anymore) rank and file largely believe this, which is why it’s over for her, and also is why the next few years are going to be terrible for the US politically. 

It doesn't matter what the rank and file believe, though I'd like you to site some evidence to support your assertion.  That aside, there are several pols in congress and the Senate, to include the House Minority Leader, Kevin McCarthy, that believe Biden won the election and is legitimately the president.  What McCarthy doesn't do is run to an open microphone on CNN, MSNBC, et al at every opportunity he can find or create, to stick forks in the eyes of the rank and file.  Cheney has been a NeverTrumper since 2016 and for some reason has made it her personal obsession.  What Cheney has not done is recognize that Trump is not in the Oval Office, rather an addle brained puppet is, and instead of attacking him and his puppet master she remained stuck on stupid with Trump.  That's why she was removed from the #3 spot in the GOP House caucus, a position that nobody had ever heard of until Liz Cheney and the Leftist propaganda organs made it a story.

[lucklucky]

44 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

The GOP of today is not the GOP of yesterday. They have totally lost their way.

Are you unable to read what i wrote?

GOP is the only party in US that barely protects  Freedom and Trump was a President that did not cared what food you ate, if you go to a party , if you got a sport car or a SUV, what you drink, what you said on Twitter or on Facebook, what you think.

[Josh]

2 hours ago, lucklucky said:

Are you unable to read what i wrote?

GOP is the only party in US that barely protects  Freedom and Trump was a President that did not cared what food you ate, if you go to a party , if you got a sport car or a SUV, what you drink, what you said on Twitter or on Facebook, what you think.

Wow, someone mainlines Tucker.

[lucklucky]

Arguments to the contrary?

Most of the left want to control all your life. 

 

 

 

[rmgill]

On 5/12/2021 at 5:35 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yeah, Ive always believed that. Cant see it getting much of a reception around here though.

No. She's not right. She's continuing to address an issue that is dead. It keeps coming up because she has the right response to it and keeps going on TV and getting asked about it (Because she has the response they want). And she continues going back to it. She's not doing her Job. She's not addressing issues that are present NOW. She's not addressing issues that the DNC is doing NOW. 

Digging up and dredging up the Trump thing as threats to our democracy while panning that the Tech Bro's suppressed a sitting president and do so to others based on their political alignment isn't helping anything and it's a mendacious thing to do. 

Seriously, Big Lies that Cheny is hammering? Is she going to hammer Biden saying Big Lies about Georgia and Jim Crow? Izzat a threat to democrazy? What about the constant rioting in Portland? Is that? What about HR1 is that? No, but Trump who's out of power. Yeah, lets keep talking about that threat to democracy. When is the left going to ban/censor Stacy Abrams for being the true governor of Georgia? 

Edited May 14, 2021 by rmgill

[Ivanhoe]

Proof that Cheney is bent is simple.

Had she been a conservative, the pressies would have been screaming "Nepotism!1!"

She's working from the McCain playbook; collect RNC campaign funds, criticize Rs, get adulation from the press.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

2 hours ago, rmgill said:

No. She's not right. She's continuing to address an issue that is dead. It keeps coming up because she has the right response to it and keeps going on TV and getting asked about it (Because she has the response they want). And she continues going back to it. She's not doing her Job. She's not addressing issues that are present NOW. She's not addressing issues that the DNC is doing NOW. 

Digging up and dredging up the Trump thing as threats to our democracy while panning that the Tech Bro's suppressed a sitting president and do so to others based on their political alignment isn't helping anything and it's a mendacious thing to do. 

Seriously, Big Lies that Cheny is hammering? Is she going to hammer Biden saying Big Lies about Georgia and Jim Crow? Izzat a threat to democrazy? What about the constant rioting in Portland? Is that? What about HR1 is that? No, but Trump who's out of power. Yeah, lets keep talking about that threat to democracy. When is the left going to ban/censor Stacy Abrams for being the true governor of Georgia? 

Trump isn't dead, he is Jason Vorhees. Soon be will reemerge from the swamp and start killing the campers again.

If the GOP looked to the future, rather than apparently trying to leave the door open for Trump in 4 years, then I see no reason why Cheney would have continued in that vein. If Cheney was a problem, she was one the Trumpistas made for themselves by maintaining that there was no future but Trump, and denying the self evident truth about the Senate attack. Tourists? Seriously?

[DKTanker]

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

If the GOP looked to the future, rather than apparently trying to leave the door open for Trump in 4 years, then I see no reason why Cheney would have continued in that vein. If Cheney was a problem, she was one the Trumpistas made for themselves by maintaining that there was no future but Trump, and denying the self evident truth about the Senate attack. Tourists? Seriously?

Cheney is an idiot, and the likes of you are giving that observation a run for its money.  Cheney and the rest of the NeverTrumpers, and their Democratic Party allies, are who is keeping Trump in the news, not Trump himself nor Trump supporters.  Truth be told, the next legitimate GOP presidential hopeful is out there and his initials are not DJT.  Here's a hint, RDD. 

As for the "attack" on the Capital, far more more peaceful than many of the "peaceful" protests last summer and had much in common with Leftist protests of the 1970s when Leftist baby boomers were occupying statehouses, courthouses, and federal office buildings.  Nobody called them insurrectionists, they were called idiots and quickly dismissed as largely irrelevant.  Moreover, neither did Trump say anything to foment that attack, nor is there evidence of Trump, or anybody surrounding him, having organized the break-in of the Capital.  Cheney could not, and never tried to offer evidence to that effect, perhaps you can?

[MiloMorai]

16 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

As for the "attack" on the Capital, far more more peaceful than many of the "peaceful" protests last summer

It wasn't as near as peaceful as the earlier protest in DC where the military was called in pdq.

Who were carrying those guns into the Michigan State building?

Trump and associates sure agitated the crowd with their words.

[rmgill]

8 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Trump isn't dead, he is Jason Vorhees.

Neither is Stacy Abrams. She lost Georgia by 50,000 votes (Trump lost Georgia by 14,000). The DNC STILL persisted with the idea that she was the rightful Governor of Georgia. Noone said they were abusing democracy. She was presented in the Forum of DNC Governors at the DNC convention. Again, noone was being banned from Twitter or Youtube etc for asserting so. 

She's STILl a figure. 

 

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If the GOP looked to the future, rather than apparently trying to leave the door open for Trump in 4 years

Dude.....go deal with your labour anoraks ok? You don't get US politics. You barely understand your own (else why would you have been a labour voter for as long as you asserted you were?) 

Asserting that you know what's going on with the GOP over here is just bollocks. You don't understand US conservatism. You can't assert what they are and are not thinking of and doing and why it is. 

Edited May 15, 2021 by rmgill

[R011]

7 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

It wasn't as near as peaceful as the earlier protest in DC where the military was called in pdq.

Who were carrying those guns into the Michigan State building?

Trump and associates sure agitated the crowd with their words.

The ones involving looted business, arson, assault, and vandalism?  Even a statue of Mahatma Gandhi was vandalized causing a complaint f4\rom the Indian government. On the other hand, damage was so minor in the Capitol that it was only a couple of hours before they were back in session.  The only person who died from other than natural causes was a protester shot by police.

The armed protesters who stopped when unarmed security guards asked them to stop?

Words like "peacefully protest"?

 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

5 hours ago, rmgill said:

Neither is Stacy Abrams. She lost Georgia by 50,000 votes (Trump lost Georgia by 14,000). The DNC STILL persisted with the idea that she was the rightful Governor of Georgia. Noone said they were abusing democracy. She was presented in the Forum of DNC Governors at the DNC convention. Again, noone was being banned from Twitter or Youtube etc for asserting so. 

She's STILl a figure. 

 

Dude.....go deal with your labour anoraks ok? You don't get US politics. You barely understand your own (else why would you have been a labour voter for as long as you asserted you were?) 

Asserting that you know what's going on with the GOP over here is just bollocks. You don't understand US conservatism. You can't assert what they are and are not thinking of and doing and why it is. 

So lets get this straight, having several thousand agrieved Trump supporters storming your Senate flying Confederate flags and threatening to hang politicians, kill policemen and shit down the walls is perfectly normal behaviour for a US Democracy? So how come its never happened before? Even NIxon, never shy about under the counter dealings, put the national guard on the Senate with M60 machine guns to make sure it didnt happen. He clearly saw such an act would be a national disgrace, so why cant you?

Asserting that you can actually look at events squarely in the eye and see them as they self evidently are is the problem. I honestly think if someone drove an M1 up the Senate steps you would perceive that as a legitimate act of protest, after first finding out whether the driver was a Republican and not a Democrat of course.

In the end, its not about me, and its not about you. Its about whether as a society you are going to keep selling your collective soul to the Murdoch bullshit machine, or start doing your thinking for yourselves again. Im not optimistic.

Edited May 15, 2021 by Stuart Galbraith

[R011]

20 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

So lets get this straight, having several thousand agrieved Trump supporters storming your Senate flying Confederate flags and threatening to hang politicians, kill policemen and shit down the walls is perfectly normal behaviour for a US Democracy? So how come its never happened before? Even NIxon, never shy about under the counter dealings, put the national guard on the Senate with M60 machine guns to make sure it didnt happen. He clearly saw such an act would be a national disgrace, so why cant you?

Asserting that you can actually look at events squarely in the eye and see them as they self evidently are is the problem. I honestly think if someone drove an M1 up the Senate steps you would perceive that as a legitimate act of protest, after first finding out whether the driver was a Republican and not a Democrat of course.

In the end, its not about me, and its not about you. Its about whether as a society you are going to keep selling your collective soul to the Murdoch bullshit machine, or start doing your thinking for yourselves again. Im not optimistic.

To start, you've exaggerated the number of rioters by a factor of at least ten and have repeated a false claim that a policeman was killed by the rioters when he died of natural causes.  The only person there that day who died of other than natural causes was a protester shot by a cop.  As for who dropped the ball on security, it wasn't the White House's responsibility.  They don't have jurisdiction.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

an unarmed female protester was shot and killed by Capitol Police.  The Left burned half the country over George Floyd, where's the outrage again?

Further, the same lies by the Left are repeated over and over.  I guess a person could admire how tireless they are...

[Detonable]

The election results from one county in Arizona are being audited, but much of the data seems to have “disappeared”. The county went for Trump in 2016 but went for Biden in 2020  

 

[MiloMorai]

39 minutes ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

an unarmed female protester was shot and killed by Capitol Police

If hadn't been there she wouldn't have been shot.

[DB]

1 minute ago, MiloMorai said:

If hadn't been there she wouldn't have been shot.

Yeah, that's not the single most troll-like statement I've seen on Tank Net for months. No, that other thing.

[MiloMorai]

20 minutes ago, DB said:

Yeah, that's not the single most troll-like statement I've seen on Tank Net for months. No, that other thing.

Actions have consequences.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

tell it to George Floyd...

[nitflegal]

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

If hadn't been there she wouldn't have been shot.

I double dog dare you to say the exact same thing on social media about George Floyd. . .