Honeywell Admits Sending F-35, F-22 Part Drawings To China

[MiloMorai]

Honeywell has agreed to pay $13 million in fines and compliance costs after company officials sent multiple engineering and technical documents to China with details of multiple aircraft, including the Lockheed Martin F-35 and F-22, over a seven-year period, the U.S. State Department said May 3. The...

Honeywell Admits Sending F-35, F-22 Part Drawings To China | Aviation Week Network

Only $13 million??? Should be more than that and no more Defense contracts.

[Stuart Galbraith]

As I cant get past the paywall, is there any explanation as to WHY they thought this was a good idea? Creating the 5 generation threat of tomorrow makes the 6th Generation jet to combat it?

[MiloMorai]

18 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

As I cant get past the paywall, is there any explanation as to WHY they thought this was a good idea? Creating the 5 generation threat of tomorrow makes the 6th Generation jet to combat it?

I was hoping others could say why this was a good idea.

[Mikel2]

Was a sizable donation to the Clintons involved?

[Mistral]

Free article.

Got a chuckle on the below

All together, the materials pertained to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the B-1B Lancer long-range strategic bomber, the F-22 fighter, the C-130 transport aircraft, the A-7H Corsair aircraft, the A-10 Warthog aircraft, the Apache Longbow helicopter, the M1A1 Abrams tank, the tactical Tomahawk missile; the F/A-18 Hornet fighter, and the F135, F414, T55 and CTS800 turboshaft engines.

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2021/05/04/honeywell-fined-13-million-for-defense-export-violations/

[Stuart Galbraith]

Jesus H Christ. How the frig did we win the Cold War?

[Mikel2]

1 minute ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Jesus H Christ. How the frig did we win the Cold War?

Didn't someone sell the Rolls Royce Nene and its plans to Stalin?

[TrustMe]

18 minutes ago, Mikel2 said:

Didn't someone sell the Rolls Royce Nene and its plans to Stalin?

Yes, this was by the Labour UK government in 1946. The copy of this engine eventually went into the MIG15, which proved superior to the top of the line US built F86's during the early stages of the Korean war. 

Edited May 6, 2021 by TrustMe

[RETAC21]

27 minutes ago, Mikel2 said:

Didn't someone sell the Rolls Royce Nene and its plans to Stalin?

Worse, "someone" sold the Chinese RR Spey engines for the JH-7! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi'an_JH-7

Those pesky employees getting around company restrictions...

"it disclosed further violations involving export-controlled drawings in 2018. Employees using “an alternative process” to send two drawings to Canada, two drawings to China and 23 drawings to Mexico."

Edited May 6, 2021 by RETAC21
more stuff!

[Stuart Galbraith]

38 minutes ago, Mikel2 said:

Didn't someone sell the Rolls Royce Nene and its plans to Stalin?

Look up who gave him radar. The Soviets were even using US Supplied Radar to intercept and shoot down US Spy planes in the 1950's. Toshiba Kongsberg?

But its an old story. There is a legend ive heard of a war memorial commemorating a British Regiment that had heroically captured 2 Chinese Cannon during the Boxer Rebellion IIRC. Stamped on the side of the cannon is the words 'Made by the Armstrong Whitworth Company...'

There is arguably a difference between companies that sell weaponry to the wrong people and outright incompetence which sounds far more like an extension of Solar Winds.

 

[Ivanhoe]

Behind every IT screwup is some coiffed dork who promised to "cut IT spend" by 10%.

I have a sibling who works for a Big Defense firm. They're using Zoom for their telemeetings. I know Zoom works better than the alternatives, but why not just invite someone from the local PRC consulate to sit in?

As for the antics of the Roosevelt administration (or should I say the Roosevelt/Satlin administration?);

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hopkins#Relations_with_the_Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Duggan

I culd go on adn on...

[RETAC21]

1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

Behind every IT screwup is some coiffed dork who promised to "cut IT spend" by 10%.

I have a sibling who works for a Big Defense firm. They're using Zoom for their telemeetings. I know Zoom works better than the alternatives, but why not just invite someone from the local PRC consulate to sit in?

As for the antics of the Roosevelt administration (or should I say the Roosevelt/Satlin administration?);

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hopkins#Relations_with_the_Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Duggan

I culd go on adn on...

Well, if meetings are as productive as in the rest of the industry, it should set back Chinese defence by a century or so.

[Ivanhoe]

That would be diabolical...

[DB]

ITAR is... complex.

If a company does not manage ITAR encumbered information with adequate metadata, technical controls and procedures, then it's really quite easy to violate the provisions of it. It's quite possible that many of the violations were because the encumbered information was not properly marked, or that the reasons for blocking the "normal means" of distribution to these other states was unclear. If people do not understand exactly why a transfer is blocked and there seems to be no obvious reason for the block, then they may seek "alternate means".

Let's imagine that the alloy formulation of turbine blades is ITAR controlled information, and so any parts with that alloy will be "infected" by ITAR. Drawings of those parts don't tell the recipient how to make the alloy, but they may reveal that the alloy exists and is used in this application, which would allow the recipient to focus intelligence gathering on the alloy...

I suspect that the fine represents that the intelligence leaks involved are of this somewhat indirect type, which may be notably less serious than, say, delivering the entire metallurgy process with schematics of the foundry to make it.

The above example is made up of whole cloth, the truth could be completely different.