Stuart Galbraith Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Thought I may as well start a thread now there is one in existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 They seem a waste of tonnage for RN. The Australian and Canada versions are properly armed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Its an ASW Frigate. If people want a Battleship they probably ought to go elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 3:54 PM, lucklucky said: They seem a waste of tonnage for RN. The Australian and Canada versions are properly armed. that will be a first for Canada if they get built as envisioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Some bits on the Canadian version aka CSC https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/04/mbda-confirms-sea-ceptor-order-for-canadian-surface-combatant/ https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/04/canada-selects-leonardo-naval-gun-systems-for-the-csc-combat-ships/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 On 5/2/2021 at 7:49 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: Its an ASW Frigate. If people want a Battleship they probably ought to go elsewhere. No it is a feeble ASW destroyer. This is a proper -for the time- ASW destroyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruna-class_destroyer You make a ASW frigate of a 4-5000t not 9000t . Type 31 should have been the proper ASW frigate if it had the right propulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 It's to deploy with the Queen Elizabeths, so it probably needs the range. Believe it not, this is the first time I've heard anyone say it's underarmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I think they should have area defense like the Italian FREMM's. Aerial menace is only to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 On 5/2/2021 at 9:49 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: Its an ASW Frigate. If people want a Battleship they probably ought to go elsewhere. Nobody builds ASW frigates anymore. Welcome to the 21st Century... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 17 hours ago, Colin said: Some bits on the Canadian version aka CSC https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/04/mbda-confirms-sea-ceptor-order-for-canadian-surface-combatant/ https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/04/canada-selects-leonardo-naval-gun-systems-for-the-csc-combat-ships/ Interesting they choose the Italian 127mm for main gun. Maybe Vulcano ammunition and good memories from the old 127mm in Iroquois destroyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 There are synergies as the contractors are connected as well. Plus it give the option of the extended range ammunition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Yama said: Nobody builds ASW frigates anymore. Welcome to the 21st Century... The Asahi-class emphasizes on ASW in its design, although only two of them in the class, they entered service in 2018 and 2019. Technically catagorized as DD in JMSDF for destroyer. Frigate would be FF. Yet with a full load at 6,800 tons, its quite lighter then the Type 26 frigate (any version). Yet, they all have the same length though, at about 150 meters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 9 hours ago, Yama said: Nobody builds ASW frigates anymore. Welcome to the 21st Century... Well they call it a Global Combat Ship, but its primary role is to hunt submarines. So.... Its an ASW Frigate, whatever its called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 https://cdainstitute.ca/timothy-choi-what-can-we-expect-from-the-new-csc-combat-ships/ A long but worthwhile article In Canada we have two fleets that can’t be shared, being split between the Atlantic and Pacific. If we have fifteen ships that means eight on one coast and seven on the other. That creates a problem if only three of those are air defence destroyers because one of those coasts is going to have only one destroyer. If that destroyer goes in for its regular maintenance, then that coast is going to have no air defence vessels at all. So, the idea is—build all 15 of these ships to an identical standard in terms of both air defence and anti-submarine warfare so that they’re all interchangeable. If any of [them] become unavailable, then you have other options with the same capability to perform missions across the entire spectrum of naval warfare and maritime security. snip The CSC can be more accurately described as a destroyer replacement, rather than simply a frigate replacement. If it goes according to plan, we’ll be replacing our entire fleet of frigates with capabilities that go beyond what our original destroyers had, in terms of air defence, anti-submarine warfare and surface warfare. The CSCs could potentially have the long-range air defence capabilities that are enabled by the latest radars available, as well as 32 Mark 41 vertical launch system cells (Mk 41 VLS). A few months ago, the Navy finally released details regarding how it wants to fill those vertical launch system cells. snip It’s one way of future proofing our frigates in terms of future combat capability. We’re not artificially restraining ourselves to smaller missiles out of a need for cost-savings. Of course, we should view this as more of a wish list. A lot of weapons could fill these missile cells, but it is uncertain whether all these missile types are included in the ammunition portion of the current CSC budget – so far only the SM-2 Blk IIICs are known to have been earmarked at a maximum of $500 million USD for 100 rounds, while a contract for an unspecified number of Sea Ceptors has also been signed. The CSC project is of course a political issue, and we don’t know if future governments would really approve additional weapon purchases, especially the Tomahawk, which Canadians may not be so receptive to in the RCN inventory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Point of order - the missile is CAMM, the weapon system is Sea Ceptor. Also, if it will take CAMM it can take CAMM-ER as well, provided they make the silo tall enough. With CAMM-ER in development, there's some prudence in waiting to decide which to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 16 hours ago, DB said: Point of order - the missile is CAMM, the weapon system is Sea Ceptor. Also, if it will take CAMM it can take CAMM-ER as well, provided they make the silo tall enough. With CAMM-ER in development, there's some prudence in waiting to decide which to buy. Does that make them CAMM ships?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 It has begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Colin Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Meanwhile Canada is firming up it's design https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-ca/csc.html Fact sheet http://www.navy-marine.forces.gc.ca/assets/NAVY_Internet/docs/en/fleet/rcn_csc_factsheet-8x11_web.pdf F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted September 30, 2021 Author Share Posted September 30, 2021 At least LM havent ruined the look of them. These are handsome ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Colin seems only those 3D models you posted have the correct gun. What is the source? LM page and PDF are still incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Given that home waters constitute the N. Atlantic and Pacific, will they be good cold-weather sea boats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 34 minutes ago, shep854 said: Given that home waters constitute the N. Atlantic and Pacific, will they be good cold-weather sea boats? Does not matter. Curren Canadian government believes in Global Warming, so probably they could even spec equipment for tropical waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 10/1/2021 at 12:49 PM, shep854 said: Given that home waters constitute the N. Atlantic and Pacific, will they be good cold-weather sea boats? If the Type 26 design brief was the same as that for the Type 23, then the intent is for global operations. One would expect for it to deal with whatever the North Atlantic is supposed to throw at it. Of course, it will have a different system fit, so masts and such may be quite different and weight distribution might make them behave differently. It would be interesting to see whether they trade equipment weight off against range - the quoted SAM fit is quite heavy compared to the UK fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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