T19 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Yesterday, a long time member of this grate site, a Veteran, was informed that his Facebook account would be purged, all posts removed, all likes taken back, all Memes deleted. His memory would be salted and poisoned. His right of Centre POV was considered dangerous. We live in interesting times to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 It is actually a good thing that they are no longer bothering to pretend to be non partisan. Hopefully the public will wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, T19 said: Yesterday, a long time member of this grate site, a Veteran, was informed that his Facebook account would be purged, all posts removed, all likes taken back, all Memes deleted. His memory would be salted and poisoned. His right of Centre POV was considered dangerous. We live in interesting times to say the least. Hmmm, doesn't that make Fakebook an editor then? responsible for all the content and such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 interesting times indeed... it's going to get a whole lot worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, RETAC21 said: Hmmm, doesn't that make Fakebook an editor then? responsible for all the content and such? And they don't GaF since they are in position to leverage whole industries by the power of marketing. Trust-buster 2.0 needed ASAP. Edited April 21, 2021 by bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Jones Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 55 minutes ago, RETAC21 said: Hmmm, doesn't that make Fakebook an editor then? responsible for all the content and such? No it doesn't, section 230 gives them the right to moderate content. It's the same right that this place has. Plus I thought all the conservatives on FB had moved over to Parler and MeWe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, bojan said: And they don't GaF since they are in position to leverage whole industries by the power of marketing. Trust-buster 2.0 needed ASAP. That won't happen, they're working hand in hand with The Party, their survival as companies depends on how well they serve The Party. For its part The Party needs tech to perpetuate its endeavor toward authoritarianism. It's a symbiotic relationship which grows more powerful with each passing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EchoFiveMike Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Why are you supporting facehugger in the 1st place? Gab is where you should go. Parler is a gatekeeping attempt. No idea WRT MeWe. S/F....Ken M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Harold Jones said: No it doesn't, section 230 gives them the right to moderate content. It's the same right that this place has. Plus I thought all the conservatives on FB had moved over to Parler and MeWe. So they can "edit" like a newspaper but can't be sued like a newspaper. If only a newspaper filed a lawsuit on the grounds of unfair competition or whatever the concept is called in English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Zuckerbook, Injun country for wholesome people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiloMorai Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Just how crazy Fb is. A friend posted a photo of her father and her young son doing some painting. Never got a reason for why she was given a "vacation" and the photo removed. Another person I know got a vacation for having the word "ass" in his text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) Algorithms out of their depth! Recently my FB account was blocked twice because of Covid related irreglarities and I was asked to upload pictures of myself to confirm my ID. Never mind wondering what one has to do with the other. I uploaded pictures of the Penguins of Madagascar and the account was unblocked. Now it's blocked because they think it has been hacked* and their unblocking tool fails to work with four different browsers, including Edge and Chrome. *I can be in Sweden now, Spain the next hour and Greece the third. Clearly a sign of hacking and not the use of a VPN. Or so the algorithm thinks. Edited April 22, 2021 by Markus Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, Markus Becker said: Algorithms out of their depth! Recently my FB account was blocked twice because of Covid related irreglarities and I was asked to upload pictures of myself to confirm my ID. Never mind wondering what one has to do with the other. I uploaded pictures of the Penguins of Madagascar and the account was unblocked. Now it's blocked because they think it has been hacked* and their unblocking tool fails to work with four different browsers, including Edge and Chrome. *I can be in Sweden now, Spain the next hour and Greece the third. Clearly a sign of hacking and not the use of a VPN. Or so the algorithm thinks. It's the pinguins, they give you away... that's why I use a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Markus Becker said: Algorithms out of their depth! This is likely the cause of the original point of this thread. None of these big tech companies have actual human moderators going around making these decisions. They have algorithms that make the call, often poorly, and if one is lucky they can eventually reach a human to possibly overturn it (Google is notorious for this since they took over YT... come across a horror story almost daily of folks having their channels demonetized, cutting off their livelihood, for no apparent reason). I mean, I highly doubt this FB user referenced in the first post got some notice from FB stating his discussion of limited government, his arguments for original and textual interpretation of the Constitution, or support for traditional family really got him banned. On the contrary, I'd be curious to know if this person was out there supporting and pushing the notion of the election being stolen. FB has stated they're going to cut down on such BS... and there's nothing Conservative about pushing that conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Your fault if you still use facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Jones Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 On 4/21/2021 at 1:55 PM, Markus Becker said: So they can "edit" like a newspaper but can't be sued like a newspaper. If only a newspaper filed a lawsuit on the grounds of unfair competition or whatever the concept is called in English. No they edit like forum moderators, maybe not as well as MODERATOR used to on this grate sight but moderators not editors. The major difference is that newspapers control every aspect of their publication. If something ends up in the paper or on their web page it's because they actively put it there. As for trying to apply the idea that moderating content turns you into an editor and thus makes you liable for that content section 230 begs to differ. Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material (1)Treatment of publisher or speaker No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. (2)Civil liabilityNo provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of— (A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or (B) any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).[1] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Then maybe section 230 is the problem. I note that both Trump and Biden said so much half a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 FB's algorithms are pretty scattershot. I have regular dem voting friends (and one UK ex pat French socialist) who routinely go to "facebook jail". I think I know one person who was ejected off as well. One of those friends literally just got their account unblocked the beginning of this week. Contrary to some of the first posts to this topic, there does appear to be bipartisan support to breaking up internet monopolies, but it means the people on the far right are going to have to be in bed with the people of the far left. As noted, even Biden has mentioned that 230 needs an overhaul as well. But currently the Democrats are busy running their legislation through Congress because losing the house and the GOP is worried about Dr Suess books and race replacement, so it seems unlikely anything is accomplished until at least after the mid terms. And as I said, it would probably take the far left and far right parts of both parties to come together and agree on something for any of the FANGS to be broken up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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