RETAC21 Posted March 25, 2021 Posted March 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: I was referring more to a railroad for anything other than oil. I don't think rail+road would have the capability to move what ships move through the canal, not to speak about port congestion.
Mighty_Zuk Posted March 25, 2021 Posted March 25, 2021 3 hours ago, RETAC21 said: I don't think rail+road would have the capability to move what ships move through the canal, not to speak about port congestion. Everything is possible if well funded.
sunday Posted March 25, 2021 Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Thus being not possible from a practical, financial point of view. I mean, you could always buy a 6-or 8-track-wide rail line in parallel with the Canal, plus the associated port terminals but. then, why did you build a canal in the first place? Edited March 25, 2021 by sunday
Ssnake Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 ...and if you seriously wanted to be able to subtitute the canal with a parallel railway for a sustained period - and anything less makes no sense whatsoever, balancing the costs of setting up two terminals at each end of the canal plus the railroad line and the needed rolling stok, plus qualified personnel to operate it all - you'd need two terminals with a container loading capacity of all the major European ports combined. None of that makes sense if you think it through.
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 Im sure I read somewhere the original Suez Canal was proposed to lift the ship out of water and haul it over land over a multi track railroad. I would just love to see that being done with a 100000 ton supertanker....
Ssnake Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 Eh, fell some trees and have the crew pull it with ropes. There's historic precedence. Boom, problem solved [mikedrop].
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 I think modern Egyptians would be less inclined to respect the whipping that would be required.
JasonJ Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 400 meter 200,000 ton Ever Given Panama registered Owner: Japanese Company Shoei Kisan, they issuee an apology for the accident today. Operator: Evergreen of Taiwan Maintenance and crew contracted company: Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement of Germany. Crew of ship itself: 25 of India. Taiwan and Egyption officials say strong winds was the cause. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transportation/Owner-of-stranded-Suez-Canal-ship-aims-to-free-vessel-on-Saturday https://amp.scroll.in/latest/990595/crew-of-ship-stuck-in-suez-canal-is-indian-all-safe-and-accounted-for-says-management-company Edited March 26, 2021 by JasonJ
EchoFiveMike Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 5 hours ago, JasonJ said: 400 meter 200,000 ton Ever Given Panama registered Owner: Japanese Company Shoei Kisan, they issuee an apology for the accident today. Operator: Evergreen of Taiwan Maintenance and crew contracted company: Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement of Germany. Crew of ship itself: 25 of India. Taiwan and Egyption officials say strong winds was the cause. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transportation/Owner-of-stranded-Suez-Canal-ship-aims-to-free-vessel-on-Saturday https://amp.scroll.in/latest/990595/crew-of-ship-stuck-in-suez-canal-is-indian-all-safe-and-accounted-for-says-management-company Congratulations vultures, you saved money on crewing....now pay! S/F....Ken M
Mistral Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 45 minutes ago, EchoFiveMike said: Congratulations vultures, you saved money on crewing....now pay! S/F....Ken M I would say Indian sailors rank on notch higher than USN sailors, given the collisions they had over the last few years. I would not hire them to save a penny.
EchoFiveMike Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 USN sailors are no benchmark for success, the problems are the same. S/F....Ken M
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 Speaking of which, the USN is on the scene offering the Egyptians advice.
Burncycle360 Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 I wonder how many days it would need to be blocked for the revenue lost to equal the cost of expanding the canal into a two lane'r.
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Apparently it's been widened 50 percent since 1956. Alas it seems ships got even bigger.... Supposedly from what I hear earlier they were using an older cut to get around the blockage. I guess it just isn't big enough for bigger ships. Edited March 27, 2021 by Stuart Galbraith
EchoFiveMike Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 They're always going to push and push, you'll have 1 million tonners with 1 man crew and a skid of Red Bull if it were possible. S/F....Ken M
BansheeOne Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 Quote Date 27.03.2021 Suez Canal: Blocked ship could be refloated in hours The owner of the giant cargo ship says the vessel is not damaged and will be able to continue its journey. The Ever Given has been wedged across the canal since Tuesday, blocking the way for other maritime traffic. A giant container ship that has been blocking Egypt's Suez Canal for days could be refloated on Saturday, the vessel's Japanese owner has said. Traffic in the canal remained suspended as authorities worked to free one of the world's largest freight ships which has run aground in the vital shipping route. The ship, the Ever Given, has been wedged diagonally across the span of the canal since Tuesday, blocking the waterway in both directions. [...] Dozens of ships delayed The blockage has caused a huge traffic jam of more than 200 ships along the 193-kilometer (120-mile) canal, and caused major delays in the delivery of oil and other products. The ship's technical manager, Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement, said an earlier attempt to refloat the ship had failed. Dutch firm Smit Salvage confirmed there would be "two additional tugs" arriving by Sunday to assist, it added. Crews have been working overnight with large dredging machines under floodlights, but the ship — the size of the Empire State Building in New York — has not budged yet. https://www.dw.com/en/suez-canal-blocked-ship-could-be-refloated-in-hours/a-57022549
glenn239 Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, EchoFiveMike said: They're always going to push and push, you'll have 1 million tonners with 1 man crew and a skid of Red Bull if it were possible. S/F....Ken M Mostly agree, but insurance rates are also a factor. The underwriters don't like crappily trained crews and some standards are needed or else insurance fees will skyrocket, which the shipping lines also hate. Edited March 27, 2021 by glenn239
Ssnake Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 TV news in Germany this evening reported that the Ever Given has at least one other case of collision with another vessel, a while ago in Hamburg harbor, under strong wind conditions. The interviewed person suspects that the ship's rudder is underdimensioned. Once that wind becomes too strong it may not be safely controlled.
Nobu Posted March 28, 2021 Posted March 28, 2021 Fully laden with 20,000 shipping containers. If it does in fact take weeks to free the ship, I hope nothing perishable starts rotting in them.
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