the new enemy

[Ivanhoe]

https://pjmedia.com/columns/bryan-preston/2021/03/15/did-biden-establish-the-militarys-first-virtue-signal-corps-n1432696

Here's the bit that I believe predicts a gloomy short-term future for the Army;

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What there evidently is, now, is a new attitude among military careerists that they have to toe the political, as distinct from the policy, line or they will find themselves politically purged and everything they worked for thrown away by an administration that is politicizing everything. So those who have passed the 10-year mark and are looking toward retirement at 20 years or more may perceive that they face a choice: Join the new unofficial Virtue Signal Corps or risk your retirement. That’s no small thing. Most of the military does not hail from the one percent. It hails from the middle and lower-income brackets. Losing one’s retirement is very serious business.

 

[R011]

On 3/15/2021 at 11:45 AM, bojan said:

Problem is that view is colored by US army (and most other...) having different PT standards for females. If you remove that, a lot of arguments die... 

As I understand it, there are general fitness standards which are gender differentiated because an average physically fit woman still can't run as fast as an average physically fit man.  Then there are specific job related standards that all members of a trade must meet regardless of sex.  Unless they've made meaningful changes in the latter so more women can pass or have different standards for men and women, that shouldn't be a problem.

[bojan]

I there are minimal standards that both tests fulfill then why are there different tests?

Edited March 16, 2021 by bojan

[17thfabn]

On 3/15/2021 at 9:28 AM, Ssnake said:

No, bravery it is not.

IFirefighters and the police are only partially suitable for comparison. In 99% of all cases they are dealing with a standard situation for which a procedure exists. So you can assign women to roles that do not overtax their physical capabilities. In a warzone, the predictable situations are only like 90% or so. The essence of a soldier's job is that you are confronted with a vast array of different and only partially predictable challenges that have only one thing in common, the possibility of turning highly dangerous and violent at any moment, of the kind where only "most" situations can be solved with pushing buttons and pulling ropes that don't overtax the physical limitations that the female biology simply incurs.

Fire fighter physical standards have been lowered in the last 20 years by many departments. Hence many more female fire fighters.

Many police departments use U.S. Air Force physical fitness standards which are lower than U.S. Army or USMC standards. And military physical fitness standards are lower for females by Air Force and Army standards, don't know about the USMC.

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/14/ted-cruz-rips-military-attacks-tucker-carlson/
 

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Sen. Ted Cruz is accusing the U.S. military of engaging in a partisan-political campaign and is demanding that the armed services stand down.

In a letter to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, the Texas Republican told the Pentagon chief he is “deeply troubled” by a cascading series of attacks on Fox News Channel host Tucker Carlson by uniformed military members using official channels.

The attacks on Mr. Carlson for criticizing the U.S. military under President Biden as obsessed with sex, gender and other “woke” issues, Mr. Cruz said, “in substance, tone, and political resonance are inexplicably inappropriate.”

 

 

[R011]

5 hours ago, bojan said:

I there are minimal standards that both tests fulfill then why are there different tests?

Do you mean why are there basic fitness tests as well as trade-specific tests?  because most trades do not require more than basic physical fitness while some have certain tasks that require higher levels in specific areas.  Not every office worker or blanket stacker needs to be able to carry a full pack and full fighting order twenty hours a day plus contact drills plus digging a defensive position each night.

[Simon Tan]

If you identify as a female, are you held to that standard?

[R011]

3 hours ago, Simon Tan said:

If you identify as a female, are you held to that standard?

A better question is what standard to apply to an FTM trans person.  I rather suspect few armed forces have figured that stuff out yet.  Of course, where unisex standards apply, the issue is moot.

[Burncycle360]

IMO, women should not be denied the opportunity to fulfill any job or role so long as they meet the physical requirements for the job.  The physical requirements should not be different based on sex, however, nor should PT standards.   If both of those things are true, the natural outcome is that the very physically demanding jobs will have very few if any women in it.

 

[RETAC21]

4 hours ago, Burncycle360 said:

IMO, women should not be denied the opportunity to fulfill any job or role so long as they meet the physical requirements for the job.  The physical requirements should not be different based on sex, however, nor should PT standards.   If both of those things are true, the natural outcome is that the very physically demanding jobs will have very few if any women in it.

 

And the mental ones, you don't want physically fit woman firing ICBMs on a whim...

Admittedly, not letting woman in the military deprives the military of a pool of talent, such as this lady: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_García-Malea_López

Google translated from here http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/presidencia/portavoz/innovacionobsoleto/130095/rosa/maria/garciamalea/lopez

Born in Almería in 1981, Rosa María García-Malea López is the first Spanish woman to become a fighter pilot for the Air Force and to become part, since 2017, of the Eagle Patrol, the national acrobatic flight group created in 1985.

While studying Technical Architecture, Languages and Chemical Sciences in Granada, the opposition to the Superior Scale of Officers of the General Army Corps was prepared. After being able to pass the tests, at just 21 years old, he joined the General Air Academy of San Javier (Murcia). A year and a half later, in April 2004, she was commissioned at the Colorado Springs Air Force Base (United States).

In 2006 she took the fighter and attack course at the Talavera la Real Air Base (Badajoz) and became the first fighter pilot of the Spanish Army aboard an F-5. In 2007, incorporated into Ala 15 of the Zaragoza Air Base, she achieved another milestone: being the first Spanish woman to fly an F-18.

García-Malea has participated in international missions, such as the Red Flag in Las Vegas (California, USA) and in the Libyan War, for which he received a medal. He also obtained the highest qualification in the NATO Tactical Leadership Program.

Already as a flight instructor, she joined the San Javier General Air Academy in 2012 and last year she received her flight baptism in the prestigious Eagle Patrol. 

[DB]

Physical standards should fit the needs of the role and not be tailored to favour a particular gender. This works both ways - e.g.  don't design your equipment to fit upper 50% male pop if you can design it to fit upper 50% of gen pop.

For fitness standards, such as load carrying, create a CONOPS/ CONUSE  based on the operational expected need and not on some arbitrary limit that excludes too large a segment of your troops.

Sometimes in the field you will exceed the design limits, which is fine, but if you set them too high you won't have the troops at all to risk breaking them.

Roll on power armour, there's no reason to set stupid strength limits with that if you design it properly.

[Josh]

18 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/14/ted-cruz-rips-military-attacks-tucker-carlson/
 

 

I'm against there being different standards of physically fit for the sexes. But I'm also against an ass hat like Carlson inputting his opinion for ratings and anyone then protecting that snowflake's feelings. If he didn't wanted to be taken to the mat, he shouldn't have adopted the talking point for ratings.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Josh

[Simon Tan]

Does shooting a transgender person in combat amount to a hate crime? Shooting people of colour?

[Simon Tan]

Should there be quotas on EKIA?

[lucklucky]

[Ivanhoe]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tedmahan/2021/03/17/exclusive-biden-admin-halts-navy-operations-orders-soldiers-to-undergo-chilling-stand-down-training-n1433257
 

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But that’s not actually what the training says. The training we received this month was rushed through in the wake of the Washington, D.C., riot. The course, which was given in a PowerPoint deck, included a slide defining “extremism.” One would expect a broad, catch-all phrase that makes it clear that any radical activity undermining our nation or promoting criminal activity would not be tolerable.

But that would be wrong. Extremism was narrowly defined as “supremacist” beliefs only. That’s it. Nothing else. Nothing about anarchism, nothing about any group that might be found on the left. Everyone in the room – of every race, incidentally – had a collective hush as the chilling effect of this clearly biased definition dawned on our team. As one person on our team put it, “Why does the DoD only care about one kind of extremism? Why do they refuse to talk about antifa? Why is it extremist to attack a Capitol police officer, but not extremist to attack a Portland police officer?”

 

 

[NickM]

On 3/15/2021 at 8:15 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Then live in ignorance, but don't try and sell it to me as knowing what you are talking about.

 

That's exactly my point. Not everyone is suitable to be a carrier pilot, but nobody would use that as an assertion no men can fulfil the role.

I'm not in favour of box ticking, but when people assert a gender can't do a job due to assumptions on their part, they are the issue.

 I know for a fact id be a lousy kick boxer. Gina Carano would kick my ass. People are not typical.

Ignorance...we're talkiin' 'bout modern stuff and politicized horse shit here and you're foisting Xena the Barbarian princess and Buffy the Burgandist slayer on me. 

Edited March 17, 2021 by NickM

[Yama]

7 hours ago, lucklucky said:

I knew it!

[Simon Tan]

If a militarist of colour shoots a white supremacist, is it double good?

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, Simon Tan said:

If a militarist of colour shoots a white supremacist, is it double good?

Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[Simon Tan]

So you declare all EKIA white supremacist homophobes.

[Ssnake]

But what if the white supremacists identifies as a native American woman (and, because of being a white supremacist, has an inferiority complex)?

[Simon Tan]

Unless they obviously are identifying as a protected class, dead white supremacist cis males tell no tales. If in doubt, use JDAM.

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.newsweek.com/soft-liberalism-iron-fisted-leftism-todays-us-military-opinion-1576950

 

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ms4tq_SlDA