List of Cancel Culture victims.

[17thfabn]

The use of "victim" may not be the best choice of words, but I can't think of one that works as well.

One of the latest victims of Cancel Culture, Pepe Le Pew. To rapey. Perhaps Mr. Le Pew should claim he is a victim of Francophobia? 

Some may agree with Cancel Culture as long as the things they like are not canceled, and the things they oppose are canceled. Cancel Culture  is used by the left, right, conservatives and progressives. 

There is debate what is cancel culture. Is Amazon not carrying a book cancel culture? They are such a dominate force in book sales. Some estimates say over 60% of book sales is through Amazon. 

Amazon carries some violent books. Mein kampf and the communist manifesto, come to mind. It also carries some books that are violent and denigrate women such as quran / koran. I believe these books should be available. You may not agree with their messages but they are representative of ideologies that have impacted our history. 

Amazon carries Let Harry Become Sally a pro trans book. But not When Harry Becomes Sally. When Harry Becomes Sally questions the wisdom of the transgender movement. For instance should younger children start treatments for sex change. Do they really understand themselves at younger ages? 

 Of course banning books and other works of art isn't new. This site says the 1st book banned in the U.S. was in 1650, long before the U.S. became independent. https://gosparkpress.com/the-history-of-banned-books/

 

 

[Ssnake]

These two examples are a bit weaksauce, TBH. Surely you can find something better than a rather obscure 1946 cartoon character that's not going to appear in a sequel to a rather mediocre film from 25 years ago. I mean, there's going to be a ton of other characters that won't appear in the film but which aren't even mentioned. And Amazon, well, okay, they are dominant in book selling but still by far not the only possible source. I would agree that in both cases it's pathetic how big corporations appease to SJW activists but at the end of the day they behave like most corporations do; typically it's bad for business to find yourself in the center of controversy. A lack of spine usually is beneficial for the bottom line.

I mean, criticize Disney for cancelling boobies and nipples (are they anti-woman?) or for creating an absurd image of romance, princes and princesses and all the emotional trauma that it creates among children discovering one day that Disney lied to them. If you want to find controversy in that, you will. Basically any entertainment company with some form of editorial policy generates biased output.

The internet mob doxxing ordinary people for minor transgressions (if any) is far more problematic IMO than faceless corporations behaving like faceless corporations usually do.

[R011]

Pepe LePew was funny back in the forties, even the seventies.  He just makes people uncomfortable now as his entire schtick was forcing himself on an unwilling female.  Nor is he especially popular in China, which seems to be the biggest consideration for Hollywood today.  I can see why the character would be retired.

I don't know enough about the book to comment.  

There have been cancelling much more egregious than that of a cartoon skunk.  I'm still pissed about Gina Carano.

[17thfabn]

In a defeat of Cancel Culture Speedy Gonzales was banned but he came back! The cartoon network banned the fast mouse in 1999. But public pressure including pressure from Hispanic groups brought the fastest mouse in all Mexico back to TV in 2002!  

A burning question I had when I was 7. Who would win a race between Speedy Gonzales and the Road Runner?  It happened once. The winner was.........

 

 

A tie!

[17thfabn]

1 hour ago, Ssnake said:

These two examples are a bit weaksauce, TBH.

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Maybe, I'm just getting the conversation going.

[JasonJ]

Could bring in issues that arise when a single company seizes a monopoly on the whole industry. They can decide what to sell or what not to sell wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so big.

[DKTanker]

Cancel culture is about creating an environment in which the extermination of undesirables becomes desirable.  We're not there yet.  Close, but not there yet.  That's what the Andrew "Don" Cuomo controversy is about.  Covering up his program to send seniors to the showers by creating a sexual harassment scandal.  Every week that Cuomo refuses to resign another victim will emerge.  Better to have the Don's political career torn asunder by a sex scandal than have the nursing home killing fields being splashed all over the headlines and news banners.  Especially so since Don Cuomo wasn't the only Leftist governor with nursing home killing fields.  Two years, maybe four, the killing fields of the nursing homes will be seen as a societal necessity.  Not there yet.

[Rick]

I would say the first cancel culture victim was God, second was his Son. Both attempts are still going on and are still failing. The "collateral damage" though is the worse thing that has ever affected mankind.

[Mikel2]

On Cuomo, it does surprise me that we don't hear from thousands of angry New Yorkers who lost Grandma to Cuomo's policies. Have any of them initiated legal action against the state of NY?

Edited March 10, 2021 by Mikel2

[R011]

2 hours ago, Rick said:

I would say the first cancel culture victim was God, second was his Son. Both attempts are still going on and are still failing. The "collateral damage" though is the worse thing that has ever affected mankind.

Christians cancelled our old, proper, and true Gods so they aren't in a good position to complain about secularization.

[Ssnake]

48 minutes ago, Mikel2 said:

On Cuomo, it does surprise me that we don't hear from thousands of angry New Yorkers who lost Grandma to Cuomo's policies. Have any of them initiated legal action against the state of NY?

How, exactly, do you plan to prove in court the causality between an administrative decision to generally not admit elderly patients with Covid symptoms to hospitals and the death of Grandma Smith, 97, on May 7th, 2020?

MAYBE it's possible to tie enough responsibility to the government to fail to correct its course in a timely fashion, but even then you need to prove that responsible person X knew on day Y that practice Z1 would, without resonable doubt, lead to worse outcomes than alternative courses of action Z2, Z3, or Z4, to justify compensatory payments. But at the end of the day, the responsibility to sanction this kind of behavior lies with the general public, and voters. Failed policies require a political response. The courts can play a role only if there was criminal negligence in play, and you can prove it.

[Rick]

10 minutes ago, R011 said:

Christians cancelled our old, proper, and true Gods so they aren't in a good position to complain about secularization.

Christians are not perfect, but we are forgiven and saved  Second point, there are no "true Gods. There is, only one. 

[Ssnake]

Maybe.

[R011]

7 minutes ago, Rick said:

Christians are not perfect, but we are forgiven and saved  Second point, there are no "true Gods. There is, only one. 

No there isn't.

[seahawk]

2 hours ago, Rick said:

I would say the first cancel culture victim was God, second was his Son. Both attempts are still going on and are still failing. The "collateral damage" though is the worse thing that has ever affected mankind.

Christians are the most persecuted minority in the world.

[Rick]

22 minutes ago, R011 said:

No there isn't.

Yes, there is! And you only have your physical life time to figure it out. 

[bojan]

Even if it is, I don't care personally.

Edited March 10, 2021 by bojan

[Josh]

13 minutes ago, Rick said:

Yes, there is! And you only have your physical life time to figure it out. 

It seems incredibly unlikely a book that has been rewritten and translated dozens of times by the work of men is remotely accurate. As far as I can tell, if there ever was a god he peaced out after we nailed his son to a piece of wood for asking why can't everyone be nice to each other. He hasn't been heard from since. Honestly he sounded like a total asshole anyway; he flooded the world, rained sulfur, and knocked up a teenager.

[Steven P Allen]

To accept the cancellation of one is to accept the cancellation of all.  I will argue that Pepe' Le Pew, if you dislike his attitude, is in the same boat as Larry Flint.  If you can adovcate for free speech in that case, you have to defend Pepe', too.  Cancellation is indeed the book burning of the 21st Century, the suppression of ideas.  I personally find quite a few ideas reprehensible and repulsive, but I refuse to condone suppressing them lest I find my own ideas suppressed next.

As for God and the false, so-called gods:  believe as you wish.  Just be prepared to accept the consequences.

[bojan]

8 minutes ago, Steven P Allen said:

I personally find quite a few ideas reprehensible and repulsive, but I refuse to condone suppressing them lest I find my own ideas suppressed next.

This.

[Rick]

2 hours ago, Josh said:

It seems incredibly unlikely a book that has been rewritten and translated dozens of times by the work of men is remotely accurate. As far as I can tell, if there ever was a god he peaced out after we nailed his son to a piece of wood for asking why can't everyone be nice to each other. He hasn't been heard from since. Honestly he sounded like a total asshole anyway; he flooded the world, rained sulfur, and knocked up a teenager.

Many answers could be given, but for just two of them; read the Bible with an open mind, and if your able, listen to Janet Parshall on Moody radio. She is on at 5:00 pm.

[DKTanker]

3 hours ago, Ssnake said:

How, exactly, do you plan to prove in court the causality between an administrative decision to generally not admit elderly patients with Covid symptoms to hospitals and the death of Grandma Smith, 97, on May 7th, 2020?

But that's not exactly what happened.  The death camp directive was that nursing homes and long care facilities were prohibited from inquiring about Covid status and prohibited from requiring a negative Covid test result before being forced to accept patients.  Moreover, the hospitals were "encouraged" to off load elderly and mentally disabled patients to those long term care facilities.  This directive and this reality taking place after a Washington State nursing home was ravaged by Covid.
Had this been a Trump directive, and his already being openly discussed as being a Nazi, can you imagine the imagery that would have accompanied stories about Trump's extermination camps?

[Ssnake]

44 minutes ago, Steven P Allen said:

To accept the cancellation of one is to accept the cancellation of all.

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

Suppose they keep the skunk in the film and it bombs at the box office. Is that then because of cancel culture by the audience? Is the next step to make it mandatory to watch Space Jam 2? Is anyone in the forced audience falling asleep exercising "cancel culture"?

The argument that we can't tolerate the slightest transgression is in itself totalitarian by nature. So excuse me if I'm not blindly following your moral directives in this case.

 

I would posit that from what has been described here so far, we do not know remotely enough to decide whether this was a heinous acto of "cance culture" (however fuzzy its definition may be), or a legitimate business decision to avoid needless controversy, or an artistic decision because the scenes simply weren't funny. A business is first and foremost in the money making business, not to take sides in a culture war. If your argue that "canceling" this character out of a kids movie script was heinous cancel culture at work to indoctrinate our children that jokes about aggressive but ultimately unsuccessful pursuit of the ladies is no longer funny, well, you better be prepared to prove that no other old and obscure Warner Bros. cartoon character was removed.

I suspect that at least a dozen are missing if you care to investigate closely (I don't). Furthermore, I suspect that someone just wants to stir up the next controversy about how the world is about to end because, lefties.

If Pepe the love-drunk skunk is your poster boy to rally behind, good luck.

[Ssnake]

14 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Had this been a Trump directive, and his already being openly discussed as being a Nazi, can you imagine the imagery that would have accompanied stories about Trump's extermination camps?

So you demand that if some transgressions escape public scrutiny, then all should be permitted?

There's imbalance in reporting, boo hoo. Deal with it. Cuomos failed strategy has been discussed here on TankNet since at least May 2020, along with the lack of reporting by most of the press corps. I haven't heard anyone here defending that decision as a good one. I found it horrific back then, and my opinion hasn't changed. So you're basically harping the same point for almost a year now, that Cuomo is responsible for a disastrous decision and that the press isn't quartering him like they should because they're in cahoots with the Democrats and protect him for political reasons.

In other news, sky still blue.

[nitflegal]

17 hours ago, Ssnake said:

These two examples are a bit weaksauce, TBH. Surely you can find something better than a rather obscure 1946 cartoon character that's not going to appear in a sequel to a rather mediocre film from 25 years ago. I mean, there's going to be a ton of other characters that won't appear in the film but which aren't even mentioned. And Amazon, well, okay, they are dominant in book selling but still by far not the only possible source. I would agree that in both cases it's pathetic how big corporations appease to SJW activists but at the end of the day they behave like most corporations do; typically it's bad for business to find yourself in the center of controversy. A lack of spine usually is beneficial for the bottom line.

I mean, criticize Disney for cancelling boobies and nipples (are they anti-woman?) or for creating an absurd image of romance, princes and princesses and all the emotional trauma that it creates among children discovering one day that Disney lied to them. If you want to find controversy in that, you will. Basically any entertainment company with some form of editorial policy generates biased output.

The internet mob doxxing ordinary people for minor transgressions (if any) is far more problematic IMO than faceless corporations behaving like faceless corporations usually do.

My one piece of pushback is that Amazon is so dominant in bookselling that the ripple effects from their decisions are massive.  Not the least on what gets written in the future.  If you want to write a controversial book on a topic and you know Amazon will refuse to carry it because they disagree with the viewpoint you start the writing process knowing that you will only be able to sell to a quarter of the potential public at best and your publisher will realize it as well.  In a business where profits are so slim you basically start knowing that you will lose money and probably have to self publish to boot unless you are famous enough to overcome this obstacle.  The point is not the book that gets banned, it's the 100 books that won't be written because of that example.  

It's what has been creeping in to the STEM fields for 20 years, starting with anything climate change.  I will not spend hundreds of hours running a study and dozens of hours (OK, I'm slow it would take me over 100 with edits)  to write a paper knowing it is unlikely to be published when I could devote that same time to something that helps my career.  It's not the paper that doesn't get published, it's the hundreds of studies never run and papers never published that would expand our knowledge of controversial topics in a methodical way.