Because Biden

[Skywalkre]

On 2/20/2025 at 8:54 PM, rmgill said:

I have repeatedly noted problems in the DOJ. You've ignored them. 

All I've seen is the claim the 6Jan defendants were treated unfairly.  That's... just pure BS.  The complaints you raised were brought up and failed in the appeals process.  Many of these folks had jury trials and were found guilty.  They got what they deserved... and did not deserve to be pardoned.

On 2/20/2025 at 8:54 PM, rmgill said:

I don't think you really care about legal rights and powers, you're just a partisan leftist, democrat.

Considering it's been shown you don't even pay attention to what's said in a post you're responding to... how the fuck would know think you know what I actually believe?  This is fucking rich coming from you.

Also considering so many of you are now jumping on issues that have been raised in this country about it's legal system for decades only because the accused are MAGA just highlights so few of you actually care about legal rights and powers.

Give me a fucking break...

[Murph]

The fed cases were so obviously lawfare that even a blind Democrat could, if they wanted to, see the truth, but alas, they are NPCS and have taken the orders.  More information about Antifa inflitrators is starting to show up, so Jan 6th is a big yawn, Democrat and Deep State planned coup.  Nothing more, nothing less.  

https://x.com/its_The_Dr/status/1893144890411733093

Jonny Midnight 

 

Turns out 'MAGA Hat dude' BREAKING CAPITOL WINDOW on J6 and INJURING COPS with Pepper Spray IS ANTIFA like Trumpers In J6 video chanted 'Antifa'! Trumpers were right: Capitol Breechers were infiltrators posing as Trumpers! He voted Obama 2x, never Trump.

[Skywalkre]

On 2/20/2025 at 9:12 PM, Mr King said:

He is a conservative, remember?

Aww, shucks.  The far right MAGA groupies say I don't belong in their boy band...

[glenn239]

28 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

The Fed cases against Trump were not 'lawfare'. 

That's now up to Kash Patel to decide.

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The second is that in claiming both are the same you're also stating what Trump and his people are doing now is wrong/immoral/unethical/etc.

The Dems went after Trump and his supports using the courts as a weapon.  Now the tables have turned.  Take your medicine, son. 

Edited February 23, 2025 by glenn239

[Skywalkre]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

That's now up to Kash Patel to decide.

No, it's not.  Our system doesn't work like that at all.

He can certainly order his agents to investigate matters.  If they find something illegal was done they can hand it off to the DoJ, which would then likely need to take the matter to a grand jury, and ultimately we'd end up in court where a plea or jury trial would determine the matter.

If nothing technically illegal was done he could certainly report on it and professional agencies might look at sanctions (since this mostly involves lawyers).  We had this latter incident with a former DoJ attorney who agreed to go along with Trump's efforts to overturn the '20 elections.  His actions didn't go far enough to warrant charges, but the DC bar sanctioned him for what he did (I posted updates on this multiple times in the voter fraud thread).

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

The Dems went after Trump and his supports using the courts as a weapon.

No, they went after Trump and the J6 rioters because they broke the law.  

I get it, there's no way any of you would ever admit that... many of you still openly state or hint at the fact you think '20 was stolen from Trump despite a total lack of evidence so I'm fully aware I'm dealing with a large group of people who are living in fantasy land.  That's just the sad reality of modern society...

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

All I've seen is the claim the 6Jan defendants were treated unfairly.  That's... just pure BS.

Let me try again. 

The FBI, when interviewing suspects doesn't record the interview. The two agents recall what the subject said and put THAT on their documentation. 

The DOJ has routinely violated basic concepts of providing evidence to the defense that is exculpatory. This goes back to the Obama admin. 

J6 accusee's is just the tip of the iceberg. 

And it's NOT BULLSHIT. 

We could also look at FBI entrapment of retarded people in terror plots. 

Of the ATF using informants who they then charge themselves when their stings yield nothing. Also a legally retarded informant (which honestly should not be a CI in the first place). 

Then there's the Fast and Furious gun running scheme. 

2 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

 

  The complaints you raised were brought up and failed in the appeals process.

No, wrong. exculpatory is a basic tenent of our legal system. You supposedly have an issue with bad cops. But you turn a big bloody blind eye to bad federal agents and bad federal legal procedure. 

The point I made about exculpatory evidence was noted to me, personally by a former DOJ prosecutor. 
 

 

Edited February 24, 2025 by rmgill

[rmgill]

8 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

No, it's not.  Our system doesn't work like that at all.

You're not a lawyer, remember. You don't know how it works. You've said so yourself. 
 

8 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

He can certainly order his agents to investigate matters.  If they find something illegal was done they can hand it off to the DoJ, which would then likely need to take the matter to a grand jury, and ultimately we'd end up in court where a plea or jury trial would determine the matter.

Yes. The DOJ has a very poor track record of prosecuting it's own. REmember those FBI agents who lied under oath before the FISA court and were told to never come back? They were charged for lying right? NOPE.

If you were I lied under oath or on federal forms, you think the DOJ would give us a break? 

 

8 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

If nothing technically illegal was done he could certainly report on it and professional agencies might look at sanctions (since this mostly involves lawyers). 

Ahh. Yes. Sanctions for Federal Attorneys who lie? Like the DACA case instance where the Federal Attorney lied in the 5th Circuit? The attorney was given some remedial class training that was smaller than the required ongoing class time, so not even a slap on the wrist. 

8 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

No, they went after Trump and the J6 rioters because they broke the law.  

And the ones who didn't break the law. And the ones who didn't break a law that they applied to all of them and were then reversed by the supreme court. 

Sure, if a charge is reversed by the supreme court, you don't think the DOJ maybe went too far in those cases? 
 

 

[rmgill]

17 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Even when 90% of enlisted members lived in the barracks with a messhall just a two minute walk away, the facilities were not open all days and at all hours.  They were open most days though weekends they would rotate which were open and closed, and they definitely all had specific hours of operation.  When I was stationed at Ft. Hood for two years there was one facility, on all of the post, that remained open overnight so that MPs from 1CD, 2AD, and III Corps could grab some coffee and a sandwich.

I can accept that they might have limited hours. By Hy, Angry Cops, noted that several DFACs were closed for 4 day weekends even with troops on post. 

 

Edited February 24, 2025 by rmgill

[DKTanker]

48 minutes ago, rmgill said:

I can accept that they might have limited hours. By Hy, Angry Cops, noted that several DFACs were closed for 4 day weekends even with troops on post. 
 

Several, but not all.  Over a twenty year career spanning mid 70s to mid 90s that was a fact of life, there is nothing new under the sun.  Because, you know, cooks and bakers want some time off too.

[Skywalkre]

3 hours ago, rmgill said:

You're not a lawyer, remember. You don't know how it works. You've said so yourself.

You don't need to be a lawyer to understand the basic tenets of our system like the ones I pointed out.

3 hours ago, rmgill said:

And the ones who didn't break the law. And the ones who didn't break a law that they applied to all of them and were then reversed by the supreme court. 

Sure, if a charge is reversed by the supreme court, you don't think the DOJ maybe went too far in those cases? 

The obstruction charge that SCOTUS ruled was too lenient was only used on about a fifth of all 6Jan prosecutions, not all of them.

Also, prosecutors throwing everything at defendants is common practice in all courts in this land and has been for some time.  So why do you just care when it's MAGA folks who have this happen to them?  Just proving my point...

[Tim Sielbeck]

I remember the mess halls running with limited crews and menus during long weekends but I don't ever remember them being totally closed.

[Detonable]

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

You don't need to be a lawyer to understand the basic tenets of our system like the ones I pointed out.

The obstruction charge that SCOTUS ruled was too lenient was only used on about a fifth of all 6Jan prosecutions, not all of them.

Also, prosecutors throwing everything at defendants is common practice in all courts in this land and has been for some time.  So why do you just care when it's MAGA folks who have this happen to them?  Just proving my point...

   The US had years of Democrat rioters burning businesses, assaulting protesters and everyday people, assaulting police officers, and taking over parts of cities with much less repercussions than the J6 crowd. Some of the J6ers did not enter the building. Then there's also the mysterious pipe bombs.

[Mr King]

5 hours ago, Detonable said:

   The US had years of Democrat rioters burning businesses, assaulting protesters and everyday people, assaulting police officers, and taking over parts of cities with much less repercussions than the J6 crowd. Some of the J6ers did not enter the building. Then there's also the mysterious pipe bombs.

And the left's biggest actors working to bailout the Democrat rioters burning businesses, assaulting protesters and everyday people, assaulting police officers, and taking over parts of cities.

 

[glenn239]

13 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

 

No, they went after Trump and the J6 rioters because they broke the law.  

 

That's up to Kash to decide, whether the FBI crossed lines into illegal or political activities, and if so, who and what charges.

Welcome to Democracy.  Kick off your shoes and stay awhile.

[DKTanker]

9 hours ago, Detonable said:

   The US had years of Democrat rioters burning businesses, assaulting protesters and everyday people, assaulting police officers, and taking over parts of cities with much less repercussions than the J6 crowd. Some of the J6ers did not enter the building. Then there's also the mysterious pipe bombs.

Maybe with Bongino as Deputy Director we'll find out about those.  They have been a near weekly pet subject of his podcasts and radio show.

[glenn239]

9 hours ago, Detonable said:

Then there's also the mysterious pipe bombs.

Sky assures us that the pipeline bomber and the FBI's total apparent lack of interest in him is of no concern to you.

[DKTanker]

11 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Sky assures us that the pipeline bomber and the FBI's total apparent lack of interest in him is of no concern to you.

Reading this I'm going to assume you know nothing about the bombs, found the morning of January 6, 2021, next to the Democratic National Committee HQ and the Republican National Committee HQ.  They are part of the J6 story that has been almost totally suppressed and ignored by the FBI and SS* along with their allies of the Leftist Media.  Or, if it was a typo, a least I'm bringing other people up to speed.

*The Secret Service because they apparently didn't find the bomb at the DNC HQ even though Vice President Elect Harris was at the DNC for most of the day. Not, as she would later relate, at the Capitol building.  So why didn't the SS find the bomb they are charged to find.  A bomb that was in such plain sight that a passerby walking their dog is the one that reported it.

Edited February 24, 2025 by DKTanker

[glenn239]

28 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Reading this I'm going to assume you know nothing about the bombs, found the morning of January 6, 2021, next to the Democratic National Committee HQ and the Republican National Committee HQ.  They are part of the J6 story that has been almost totally suppressed and ignored by the FBI and SS* along with their allies of the Leftist Media.  Or, if it was a typo, a least I'm bringing other people up to speed.

All of that looks correct from the little bit I know.   Sky assures you that none of this is of interest to you.  These are not the droids you are looking for.  Move along.

[rmgill]

13 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Several, but not all.  Over a twenty year career spanning mid 70s to mid 90s that was a fact of life, there is nothing new under the sun.  Because, you know, cooks and bakers want some time off too.

Arguably, you staff them to the point where there's enough to cover the hours. And bakers should be working early to bake bread for the next day and you hire junior staff to cover the overnight shift. 

Maybe we open Waffle Houses on bases and let Waffle House cover the overnight folks given they know how to operate 24/7? 

[Murph]

43 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Maybe with Bongino as Deputy Director we'll find out about those.  They have been a near weekly pet subject of his podcasts and radio show.

The FBI planted them, as part of their overthrow of the government.  But if Kash scared the FBI, Bongino has to terrify them.  And it is about time.  

[Murph]

32 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Reading this I'm going to assume you know nothing about the bombs, found the morning of January 6, 2021, next to the Democratic National Committee HQ and the Republican National Committee HQ.  They are part of the J6 story that has been almost totally suppressed and ignored by the FBI and SS* along with their allies of the Leftist Media.  Or, if it was a typo, a least I'm bringing other people up to speed.

*The Secret Service because they apparently didn't find the bomb at the DNC HQ even though Vice President Elect Harris was at the DNC for most of the day. Not, as she would later relate, at the Capitol building.  So why didn't the SS find the bomb they are charged to find.  A bomb that was in such plain sight that a passerby walking their dog is the one that reported it.

Because they knew it was there, knew it was not going to explode, and it was part of the set up on J6.

[rmgill]

11 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

You don't need to be a lawyer to understand the basic tenets of our system like the ones I pointed out.

Given past observations and lack of understanding I think this is dubious on your part. 

11 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

The obstruction charge that SCOTUS ruled was too lenient was only used on about a fifth of all 6Jan prosecutions, not all of them.

None the less, it was the wrong charge. And it was not ruled as too lenient. It was misapplication of the charge and rule.

From Scotus Blog:
"The Supreme Court on Friday threw out the charges against a former Pennsylvania police officer who entered the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6, 2021, attacks. By a vote of 6-3, the justices ruled that the law that Joseph Fischer was charged with violating, which bars obstruction of an official proceeding, applies only to evidence tampering, such as destruction of records or documents, in official proceedings."

See you do NOT understand the law. It wasn't too lenient. It was wrongly applied. Thusly, you do not understand the legal system at all. Not when you say it was dismissed as too lenient. 
 

11 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Also, prosecutors throwing everything at defendants is common practice in all courts in this land and has been for some time.  So why do you just care when it's MAGA folks who have this happen to them?  Just proving my point...

OK, well, it's not fair when they get convictions on charges that they didn't validly draw up in the first place is it?

How many were convicted on a charge that the Supreme Court said didn't apply? If that's indicative of a just application of law, I call BULLSHIT on your understanding of the legal system. 

Edited February 24, 2025 by rmgill

[Murph]

He has to obey the Narrative.  He cannot show any critical thinking skills or the Left will cast him out.  So he must parrot talking points.  

[Skywalkre]

14 hours ago, Detonable said:

   The US had years of Democrat rioters burning businesses, assaulting protesters and everyday people, assaulting police officers, and taking over parts of cities with much less repercussions than the J6 crowd. Some of the J6ers did not enter the building. Then there's also the mysterious pipe bombs.

Feel free to expand on some of these points.

YEARS of riots?  We had riots through part of 2020.  I've pointed out before that when you look at all the arrests and adjust damages for inflation the net effect of all those riots matches (or was even less... I forget which) what happened in just LA in less than a week back in the 90s.  In short, the country was not on fire like some here like to claim.

The one instance of protesters taking over part of a city that I can think of happened in Seattle... and authorities disbanded that in less than a month.

Less repercussions than the 6Jan crowd?  Umm... not really.  Estimates put the number of arrests back in '20 up around 14k.  The Feds did arrest folks involved with the protests around the Fed courthouse in Portland.  Folks on here just didn't pay attention or the 'news' sources they follow didn't talk about those arrests.  Also, the Jan6 crowd were fucking morons... many of whom were documenting their own crimes which made prosecution stupidly easy.  Also, Jan6 was Fed whereas most of the protests of '20 were local/state issues.  The Feds just have more resources (coupled to the aforementioned dumbass rioters making it easy).

Jan6 convictions when they didn't enter the building... umm, ok?  If you've seen the vid the most violent aspects of that day happened outside the Capitol.  I don't see what the issue is with folks getting charged who never set foot inside.

[Skywalkre]

4 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Sky assures us that the pipeline bomber and the FBI's total apparent lack of interest in him is of no concern to you.

I have?  Can you quote me?

Last I heard they were investigated but ran into dead ends.  That happens in law enforcement, unfortunately.  That doesn't mean it's no concern... but it also doesn't mean it's part of some FBI plant and the Jan6 crowd isn't responsible for being the reprehensible pieces of shit that they were that day.