Josh Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, JWB said: I kinda love how the Republican talking point has always been that Biden is incapable, and the first thing this post does is picture him on a bike, something Trump is incapable of doing. Not the messaging hill I would die on, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 6 minutes ago, Josh said: I kinda love how the Republican talking point has always been that Biden is incapable, and the first thing this post does is picture him on a bike, something Trump is incapable of doing. Not the messaging hill I would die on, personally. This is the same Biden that fell up a flight of stairs right? And the same Trump that regularly plays 18 holes of golf? Could Biden walk up this metaphorical hill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 (edited) I have never seen Trump on a bike in my life. I doubt he could stand upright on one ever. I am all for him and Harris doing that at the debate. Edited August 12 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly Head Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 13 hours ago, Josh said: I have never seen Trump on a bike in my life. I doubt he could stand upright on one ever. I am all for him and Harris doing that at the debate. It would be more entertaining than the debate. Personally I favour a Thunderdome style debate "Two men enter. One man leaves". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ivanhoe Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-814793 Quote The US National Security Council denied reports on Wednesday that a high-ranking American security delegation, mediated by Oman, secretly traveled to Tehran to share information in an effort to appease Iran. The report first originated from a Fox News article, which has since been taken down, citing a report in the Kuwaiti newspaper Al Jarida, which allegedly spoke to an unnamed source in Iran's Supreme National Security Council. “This is categorically false,” a US National Security Council spokesperson told The Jerusalem Post. . Quote Allegedly, the American delegation presented a list with the names of ten Mossad agents within Iran whom the Americans believed were involved in the assassination, directly or indirectly. Sadly, I wouldn't put it past the Obama/Biden administration to do this. Both Obama and Biden have been far too cozy with Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said: https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-814793 . Sadly, I wouldn't put it past the Obama/Biden administration to do this. Both Obama and Biden have been far too cozy with Iran. A Kuwaiti newspaper as the original source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 2 hours ago, Josh said: A Kuwaiti newspaper as the original source? Considering the twaddle published as fact by the NYT and the Bleep, the American left hasn't a leg to stand on when it comes to journalistic credibility. Do you have any evidence that Kuwaiti newspapers have a track record of dishonesty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 2 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: Considering the twaddle published as fact by the NYT and the Bleep, the American left hasn't a leg to stand on when it comes to journalistic credibility. Do you have any evidence that Kuwaiti newspapers have a track record of dishonesty? And a five second google search turns up… https://rsf.org/en/country/kuwait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non sequitur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non sequitur You posted something from a Kuwaiti newspaper; I posted something regarding the low reliability of Kuwaits media. If you you cannot see the relationship between those two things I cannot help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 I neither seek nor want your help. Authoritarian/repressive government is not the same as dishonest press. Repressive governments will suppress/outlaw publications that do not jibe with the government's position, that says nothing about the veracity of publications that do jibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: I neither seek nor want your help. Authoritarian/repressive government is not the same as dishonest press. Repressive governments will suppress/outlaw publications that do not jibe with the government's position, that says nothing about the veracity of publications that do jibe. Authoritative governments tend to have a dishonest press. Heres a thought exercise: If a Kuwaiti newspaper stated that Trump definitely did take that $10 million dollars from Egypt, presumably you would accept that as fact? At a bare minimum, can we agree your “non sequitur” comment is either false or you are not using that phrase correctly? Edited August 16 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 2 hours ago, Josh said: Authoritative governments tend to have a dishonest press. Do tell, do tell. I can think of no more authoritarian US national government over the last 70 years than what we're witnessing now. And Biden/Harris DoJ et al couldn't do it without a dishonest press. FDR probably enjoyed the same type of propaganda horn and of course Lincoln imprisoned those of the press that wouldn't toe the party line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Never the less, Kuwaiti media does not strike me as a reliable source and I doubt anyone here would take it seriously if it implicated Trump in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 The US government was asking for and having delivered, censorship of news articles both by the news agencies them selves at the leadership/senior editorial level and by third parties. Look no further than the hunter Biden laptop scandal. We had the FBI, CDC, Department of State, Whitehouse and other agencies all getting censorship of stories they didn’t like. Why do we need to go to Kuwait for examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 4 hours ago, rmgill said: The US government was asking for and having delivered, censorship of news articles both by the news agencies them selves at the leadership/senior editorial level and by third parties. Look no further than the hunter Biden laptop scandal. We had the FBI, CDC, Department of State, Whitehouse and other agencies all getting censorship of stories they didn’t like. Why do we need to go to Kuwait for examples? We have to go to Kuwait because that is what the original post was based on. And everyone here wants to change the subject and content of my post rather than admit it is damn stupid to quote anything Kuwaiti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Ah, Proof By Assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 9 hours ago, Josh said: We have to go to Kuwait because that is what the original post was based on. And everyone here wants to change the subject and content of my post rather than admit it is damn stupid to quote anything Kuwaiti. I'll second that any source from Kuwait is at best highly suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 any source from Kuwait could be highly suspect but at the same time look at the reporting by MSNBC or The Washington Post. It's all relative. Note how the Trump assasination attempt has been memory holed already or how Biden himself is barely a topic at all as if he wasn't even in office any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Kuwaiti news is Non Sequitur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 (edited) On 8/18/2024 at 12:12 PM, rmgill said: Kuwaiti news is Non Sequitur. The same guy who does not trust any mainstream media outlet is now declaring the source of a news item has nothing to do with it’s content... Edited August 19 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) 22 hours ago, Josh said: The same guy who does not trust any mainstream media outlet is now declaring the source of a news item has both to do with it’s content... Does Kuwait have a codified freedom of press? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index#/media/File:Press_freedom_2024.svg And I'll note that I have 27 years having worked for a Media Organization/News Company. You're big on appeals to authority as I recall? By way of NOT appeal to authority, but rather experience, I can note a rather marked change between the era when Eason Jordon made it clear that publishing stories that didn't have at least 2 non-related corroborating sources was a firing offense for the news room staff. Conversely, we had the Jeff Zucker era where they published outright fabrications that hall had the same original source and had talking heads who were involving themselves in the news directly in violation of basic news gathering ethics (see also Fredo Cuomo and his Brother for example). Care to rebut with something that's not an example of some logical fallacy? Edited August 19 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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