Stuart Galbraith Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 15 hours ago, rmgill said: It was not enough, which is why his popularity is through the floor. It was enough to get his ass in the White House, which in the end is the only popularity contest that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 19 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: It was enough to get his ass in the White House, which in the end is the only popularity contest that really matters. Yes. That was for 2020. Not for 2024. His popularity now was so bad he was asked to step aside. Kamala can’t run on that record. She is likewise tainted by the same record. Just look at the Lester Holt interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Then we agree that he won in 2020, and it was not due to faked votes? Good. Indeed, if he HAD used faked votes, one has to ask why he stood aside this time for Harris, when he could, according to the Trump narrative, cook the books again, and damn the torpedo's. Once again, the narrative is falling apart in front of the reality. Well, she isnt is she? She was a VP, one that was given very little face time, and very little to do. If you could demonstrate she was instrumental in all the worst Biden decisions, not least Afghanistan, then you would have a good case. For her, its very fortunate that Biden has been such a micromanager, because its not obvious any of his guilt really attaches to her. The truth is, Harris is a nonentity. It doesnt mean no mud can stick, it does mean you are going to have a hell of a job finding any that will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Then we agree that he won in 2020, and it was not due to faked votes? Wait. I thought it was Russian hacking? Wasn’t that your claim? Or was it Russian disinformation? 11 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Good. Indeed, if he HAD used faked votes, one has to ask why he stood aside this time for Harris, when he could, according to the Trump narrative, cook the books again, and damn the torpedo's. The most popular president ever was asked to step aside by donors, a previous president (Obama) whom he served under and party leaders all because he had no chance of winning. Some man of the people. Popular why again? FDR level appeal right? 11 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Once again, the narrative is falling apart in front of the reality. 80 million votes. That’s the punchline. 11 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Well, she isnt is she? She was a VP, one that was given very little face time, and very little to do. Can you point to her success at the border? Did she go? How about a good speech that wasn’t word salad? 11 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: If you could demonstrate she was instrumental in all the worst Biden decisions, not least Afghanistan, then you would have a good case. She was in cabinet meetings. But for there to be a good case for why she’s qualified there would be some accomplishments. 11 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: For her, its very fortunate that Biden has been such a micromanager, because its not obvious any of his guilt really attaches to her. Biden doesn’t look like he could micromanage a plate of peas without spilling them. 11 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: The truth is, Harris is a nonentity. It doesnt mean no mud can stick, it does mean you are going to have a hell of a job finding any that will. In other words, its her turn, same as Hillary, and like Hillary she’s unlikable. And she’s to be the next puppet. And if Harris is a non-entity, Why did you spend a page of text trying to nuance some kind of success that makes her a good Presidential pick? Edited July 24 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, rmgill said: Yes. That was for 2020. Not for 2024. His popularity now was so bad he was asked to step aside. Kamala can’t run on that record. She is likewise tainted by the same record. Just look at the Lester Holt interview. But is his popularity bad because he is thought too old to run again? Is America really doing horribly under Biden? Clearly it seems not, at least from my outsiders perspective. Edited July 24 by Yama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 41 minutes ago, rmgill said: Why did you spend a page of text trying to nuance some kind of success that makes her a good Presidential pick? Boredom, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Once again, I dont think people are good with reading around here. I didnt say she WAS a good pick. I said she was better than that alternative, just like Biden was. She isnt pushing 80, she clearly doesnt talk completely verifiable nonsense (No cofeves or war on medicare here), and she doesnt molest little girls. Which yes, does tend to put her into a better place than Biden or Trump. This is not saying I think she is necessarily going to win. Im just saying, this is going to have to be a victory that Trump will have to work for. With Clinton, I think she did most of the running for Trump. Working hard for victory is really something he has never had to do before. Doesnt mean he cant do it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 28 minutes ago, Yama said: But is his popularity bad because he is thought too old to run again? Is America really doing horribly under Biden? Clearly it seems not, at least from my outsiders perspective. It depends on the individual. Im hearing on twitter some people are suffering horribly. I dont remotely disbelieve it. The inflation crisis hit our poorer demographics here also. Biden has clearly failed to spread the economic good around, as he clearly promised to do. Harris of she gets the ticket is going to have her work cut out to deliver on it. Thing is, were things 'good' under Trump? All I remember were endless arguments with journalists, with politicians, with European leaders, a promise to build the wall, sortakinda did, all 47 miles of it. He can keep attacking Biden and Harris all he likes, and often he will probably be right. But where is his record? Did he solve the problem of the economy? Did he bring down the debt mountain? Did he get peace in the middle east? Did he get peace with North Korea? He spent 4 years playing 'The Big Me' show, gladhanding mass murderers and despots, and had fuck all to show for it. Oh right, he fragged solemani. Nice one. And? Plenty of more Jihadists where that came from. Even Obama killed more of them than Trump did. Iran shot down a US Aircraft, albeit a drone. What did Trump do? Dither, and pull the plug at the last minute. Typical old man syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, sunday said: Boredom, I guess. I am so glad I did not have my coffee in my mouth when I read that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Has anybody seen Schrödinger's president? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, Rick said: I am so glad I did not have my coffee in my mouth when I read that! Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Yama said: But is his popularity bad because he is thought too old to run again? Is America really doing horribly under Biden? Clearly it seems not, at least from my outsiders perspective. From an insider's perspective, the U.S. is doing horribly under Biden. A short list would include: 1. The ever reaching power and spending of the federal government as this gives power to the liberals who have chosen the Democratic Party as their vehicle to achieve their communist nightmares. 2. The further decline of Christian morality and civility. 3. Race relations, ie the "problems" that affect the black community are self-inflicted, not by whites or other races. 4. Economic inflation. 5. The massive decline in education and the anti-intellectual rise of indoctrination in too many U.S. universities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: She isnt pushing 80, she clearly doesnt talk completely verifiable nonsense (No cofeves or war on medicare here), and she doesnt molest little girls. Which yes, does tend to put her into a better place than Biden or Trump. How have you missed the dozens of videos and x.com quotes of word salads she has uttered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Like I said, she doesnt have to be good. She just has to be better than what she replaces (not a high bar), and better than Trump (which again, isnt such a high bar). Tell me, when was the last time Trump had a really incisive idea to get America on the road again? Its the Roy Cohn school of politics, attack, attack, attack. There are no ideas in his speeches. Such as, 'Im going to build the wall by public subscription'. Or 'Ill put pressure on Kim to sign a deal'. Or 'Ill support Israel to do whatever they have to do to defeat Hamas'. 'Ill cut the budget to balance the books.' Those are ideas, policies even. No its 'Crooked Joe Biden', 'Her Emails', 'lock her up', 'Build the wall', Drain the Swamp'. These are soundbites, not policies. I make no claims Harris is a great orator, because she isnt, but lets stop pretending Trump by comparison is some kind of Beatnik Shakespeare and a great orator, because he isnt either. He was just better than Clinton and better than Biden, and in 2020, even that wasnt true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 10 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: How have you missed the dozens of videos and x.com quotes of word salads she has uttered? A always, by ignoring everything wrong from the side that he supports and ignoring anything good from the side he opposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Man needs to be selective and sparing with his time - all those long posts are not going to write themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 31 minutes ago, bojan said: A always, by ignoring everything wrong from the side that he supports and ignoring anything good from the side he opposes. Oh im sorry, I wasnt aware we were talking about yourself again. Once again, for the third time, Im not saying she is a good candidate. Im saying she is a better candidate than Trump for all that, and even then, no, its not clear Trump wont maintain the lead he developed over Biden. if you want to see that as ignoring anything contrary to my opinion, there is something very seriously wrong with your reading comprehension skills. Only on tanknet could someone say that Harris is a marginally better candidate for President than Biden and be pilloried for it. And its precisely that kind of groupthink that resulted in everyone here being astonished Biden won the last election. Edited July 24 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 5 hours ago, rmgill said: Yes. That was for 2020. Not for 2024. His popularity now was so bad he was asked to step aside. Kamala can’t run on that record. She is likewise tainted by the same record. Just look at the Lester Holt interview. Trump is tainted by his record as well. We’ll have a better idea how the change shakes out once we get some polling, but at a minimum the base is heavily energized. 60% of that $80 million was allegedly first time donors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Well, she isnt is she? She was a VP, one that was given very little face time, and very little to do. If you could demonstrate she was instrumental in all the worst Biden decisions, not least Afghanistan, then you would have a good case. For her, its very fortunate that Biden has been such a micromanager, because its not obvious any of his guilt really attaches to her. The truth is, Harris is a nonentity. It doesnt mean no mud can stick, it does mean you are going to have a hell of a job finding any that will. I think Harris will have a hard time distancing herself from Biden policies. She might be able to duck Afghanistan, not that I think anyone cares or remembers any more. But mostly she is inheriting all of Biden’s baggage. Her main advantage is being two decades younger than the oldest presidential nominee in history and simply not being Trump, and all the baggage *that* comes with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futon Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Sometimes when I listen to Harris, I sometimes hear the same rhetoric playbook that HRC used. Or just something feels similar. I don't think it's as effective as it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 4 hours ago, Yama said: But is his popularity bad because he is thought too old to run again? Is America really doing horribly under Biden? Clearly it seems not, at least from my outsiders perspective. By most any metric the U.S. economy is booming, and even inflation has flattened recently. But the cost of living across the board has steadily gone up year over year, especially healthcare and housing, and neither party has done anything to address it. The most recent spat of inflation has most people feeling like it is an economic downturn despite steady, relatively high GDP growth and record unemployment. But no one feels that way. Harris would be better off scrapping Biden’s ads than run on his record and instead focusing on Trumps flaws and his potential to adopt very unpopular policies like those of the 2025 project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, futon said: Sometimes when I listen to Harris, I sometimes hear the same rhetoric playbook that HRC used. Or just something feels similar. I don't think it's as effective as it used to be. I don’t think it was ever effective. Clinton was one of the worst candidates the Dems have produced this century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futon Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 9 minutes ago, Josh said: Trump is tainted by his record as well. We’ll have a better idea how the change shakes out once we get some polling, but at a minimum the base is heavily energized. 60% of that $80 million was allegedly first time donors. I have a hunch a lot came from media sources. The viewership over the election campaign would earn it back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futon Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, Josh said: I don’t think it was ever effective. Clinton was one of the worst candidates the Dems have produced this century. One of the worse, but others couldn't do better. The others probably too far left on positions to appeal to the mid spectrum though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 42 minutes ago, futon said: Sometimes when I listen to Harris, I sometimes hear the same rhetoric playbook that HRC used. Or just something feels similar. I don't think it's as effective as it used to be. Yes, but would HRC have been any more effective after Roe vs Wade was overturned? Because that is where the US political debate now is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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