DKTanker Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Just now, Josh said: The candidate gave in to political pressure. How many Republicans have been canceled by Donald Trump again? Exactly what I said. Thanks for acknowledging that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DKTanker said: Exactly what I said. Thanks for acknowledging that. I would argue that the difference between Trump knee capping republicans and Biden being pushed out is that Biden was rejected by his party rank and file. Everyone from voters to the top of the ticket was worried. Anyone ejected from the Republican Party was personally selected as a RINO by Trump for lack of loyalty. If you think that makes Republicans a more moral party, ok. To me it seems more like a cult that will fall apart once the center dies. Edited July 22 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Basically both parties are totally clusterf*cks, your basically arguing as to which one is ever so slightly less fu*ked. The fact that this is the best you can offer with 350m people is very sad. I thought Trump was ok when he ran last time, but I think his "shock value" and way of doing things will be obsolete, as is his foreign policy. To much has changed and I doubt he has learned a great deal to help him the 2nd time round. The less said about KH the better, she is a great choice for the party's inner circle as she will mostly do as she is told and won't drool into her soup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Josh said: No. The party with an incredibly weak anointed candidate is the GOP, ok. nice cope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Josh said: The candidate gave in to political pressure. How many Republicans have been canceled by Donald Trump again? Does he not brag about politically ending anyone who opposes him? So which primary was she voted on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 47 minutes ago, Colin said: Basically both parties are totally clusterf*cks, your basically arguing as to which one is ever so slightly less fu*ked. I won’t argue that point at all; I’m in full agreement. I just think one is significantly more fucked than the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Josh said: I would argue Only you is arguing. Why you brought up Trump when it has absolutely nothing to do with the Party that hypocritically obsesses about "democracy" bottles the mind. You and your party have to answer the question of why you refuse to hold yourselves to a standard you require of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 23 minutes ago, rmgill said: So which primary was she voted on? All of them, as VP. Biden could have kept in the race if he wanted to. No one held a gun to his head. I struggle to understand the mindset that Biden is brain dead and yet him opting out for health reasons, which is essentially what this is. Is somehow insidious or undemocratic. While at the the same time it is fine that Trump focuses right wing media and money against anyone he deems insufficiently loyal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 31 minutes ago, rmgill said: ok. nice cope. Indeed. A party can pick its candidate and set its rules and a candidate can opt out when he wants. If the GOP loses in November, I’m sure you stand by the processes and media that elevated Trump as well. Edited July 22 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 6 minutes ago, DKTanker said: Only you is arguing. Why you brought up Trump when it has absolutely nothing to do with the Party that hypocritically obsesses about "democracy" bottles the mind. You and your party have to answer the question of why you refuse to hold yourselves to a standard you require of others. Was any law or Democratic Party rule broken by Biden backing out? Can you quote it for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Josh said: All of them, as VP. Biden could have kept in the race if he wanted to. No one held a gun to his head. I struggle to understand the mindset that Biden is brain dead and yet him opting out for health reasons, which is essentially what this is. Is somehow insidious or undemocratic. While at the the same time it is fine that Trump focuses right wing media and money against anyone he deems insufficiently loyal. Except she wasn't. There is no primary for veep. Moreover, your party rigged the primaries to ensure Biden was the nominee and now your party forced him out. Some might call that a coup. Especially as we're now finding out that it was Zients, Biden's CoS, that informed the cabinet, not Biden himself. If this had been any other Banana Republic I'm quite sure your party would be calling for international monitors to determine just what the hell happened and what is going on. And once again, this has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Your deflections are duly noted. Edited July 22 by DKTanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Josh said: All of them, as VP. Are you sure, was Kamala on the DNC primary ballot. The VP is chosen by her running mate each election. YES the VP is on the general election, but she's hadn't been officially nominated yet. 29 minutes ago, Josh said: Indeed. A party can pick its candidate and set its rules and a candidate can opt out when he wants. If the GOP loses in November, I’m sure you stand by the processes and media that elevated Trump as well. So what was the point of the primary? Edited July 22 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 46 minutes ago, DKTanker said: Except she wasn't. There is no primary for veep. Moreover, your party rigged the primaries to ensure Biden was the nominee and now your party forced him out. Some might call that a coup. Especially as we're now finding out that it was Zients, Biden's CoS, that informed the cabinet, not Biden himself. If this had been any other Banana Republic I'm quite sure your party would be calling for international monitors to determine just what the hell happened and what is going on. And once again, this has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Your deflections are duly noted. No one calls that a coup. A political party can make any rules or standards it wants; people unwilling to abide those run as independents. If I recall correctly you are not a Trump fan; how do you feel about the purge of non Trumpists at the national, state and local levels? Do you think his daughter in law is a good fit for the head of the RNC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 29 minutes ago, rmgill said: Are you sure, was Kamala on the DNC primary ballot. The VP is chosen by her running mate each election. YES the VP is on the general election, but she's hadn't been officially nominated yet. So what was the point of the primary? There effectively wasn’t a primary, as often occurs with incumbent presidents. Had there been I doubt Biden would have won. No Democrat wanted to be seen as splitting the ticket, as is the case for both parties in incumbent years. That IMO is failure of the two party system and I’m all for changing it. But as I posted above, a party can make any requirement it wants, and more over if Biden had stayed in the race, he would have been nominated. The Republican Party winner take all system of primaries does not seem ideal to me either; but you you either run under their rules or run as an independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 It was a clever play by the Democrats, so that they can install a communist without having to win the primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Pro-Rus take on recent events - "Yeltsin welcomes Biden's exit from the presidential race." ( https://t.me/dva_majors/47803 ) " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Now, thats funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 7 hours ago, Josh said: No one calls that a coup. A political party can make any rules or standards it wants; people unwilling to abide those run as independents. If I recall correctly you are not a Trump fan; how do you feel about the purge of non Trumpists at the national, state and local levels? Do you think his daughter in law is a good fit for the head of the RNC? And people that do win the most party votes, of the Democratic Party but, and found to be inconvenient are forced to retire from the race against their will. How very undemocratic of the Democratic Party nor am I surprised you're good with it. As with most leftists, the ends always justify the means. If you want to discuss Trump I believe there is a page dedicated to all things Trump. More or less. Edited July 22 by DKTanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 8 hours ago, Josh said: There effectively wasn’t a primary, as often occurs with incumbent presidents. Had there been I doubt Biden would have won. No Democrat wanted to be seen as splitting the ticket, as is the case for both parties in incumbent years. That IMO is failure of the two party system and I’m all for changing it. But as I posted above, a party can make any requirement it wants, and more over if Biden had stayed in the race, he would have been nominated. Its a failure of the DNC. I don’t see how its a failure of the other party. The ball is entirely in the DNC’s court. You had an election with mostly one candidate. Who ‘won’ but is stepping down because its become clear to everyone that he’s mentally compromised. But he’s not resigning because reasons. His mental decline has been obvious but the DNC has been hiding and denying it. They STILL DENY IT. 8 hours ago, Josh said: The Republican Party winner take all system of primaries does not seem ideal to me either; but you you either run under their rules or run as an independent. We had a GOP primary with more candidates. Edited July 22 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, DKTanker said: And people that do win the most party votes, of the Democratic Party but, and found to be inconvenient are forced to retire from the race against their will. How very undemocratic of the Democratic Party nor am I surprised you're good with it. As with most leftists, the ends always justify the means. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/14/16640082/donna-brazile-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-rigged Quote Even for the Democratic Party, the past few weeks have been bizarre. First, Donna Brazile, the former chair of the Democratic National Committee, published excerpts of a forthcoming book in which she says that after she took over the Democratic National Committee, she investigated “whether Hillary Clinton’s team had rigged the nomination process” through the DNC, and discovered evidence that they did. “I had found my proof and it broke my heart,” she wrote. In the aftermath of Brazile’s bombshell, Sen. Elizabeth Warren was asked if she “agree[d] with the notion that it was rigged?” “Yes,” she replied. Within a few days, both Brazile and Warren walked their statements all the way back. Brazile now says she found “no evidence” the primary was rigged. Warren now says that though there was “some bias” within the DNC, “the overall 2016 primary process was fair.” . Quote Democratic elites, defined broadly, shaped the primary before voters ever got a chance to weigh in, and the way they tried to shape it was by uniting behind Clinton early in the hopes of avoiding a bruising, raucous race. The question — which is important going forward, not just for relitigating 2016 — is whether that was the right decision. I don’t think it was. Democrats are not on terribly sound footing when they accuse Trump of being a threat to democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Trump is a threat to Oligarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Michael Z Williamson notes on social media... Quote Biden hasn't been seen in four days. The one remote vid he couldn't get into the limo without three USSS guys helping. He hasn't made a video comment. Kamala's team had no ads ready to deploy. His communication director only found out a minute before the announcement. Do. The. Math. He probably has days left breathing oxygen. Possibly only hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 my first thought on hearing the news that he is stepping down as a candidate: Something has happened to the President. The next few days are going to be very dangerous. Joe's health failing completely was the only thing that would shift Jill's position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 45 minutes ago, rmgill said: Trump is a threat to Oligarchy. No, a threat to Communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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