Stefan Fredriksson Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 hours ago, sunday said: You get it right, if you are trying to impersonate a little, well-behaved SJW, that is. You should definately put me on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, Daan said: Ah Stuart, when the lockdowns end, you should really visit Belgian Wallonie, say around Charleroi, and try to examine your small versus big government story regarding to industrial transitions. Stay at an old industrialist's villa near Spa, they are really cheap to rent. I cant speak for Belgium, but I know that in some of the former pit villages in the UK, houses were selling about a decade ago for a pound each. Because there was literally nobody who wanted to live there because there wasnt any jobs. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/26/blighted-coalfields-village-life-pit-village-people-starving-horden-co-durham People are pretending these are new problems. They arent, we bumped into them over 30 years ago. In places such as south wales, where there was massive investment from the EU among others, they bounced back. In other places, such as Durham, they just havent. In Somerset, they hit this problem 50 years ago. They saw the end of coal coming, so they put investment in, and lobbied companies, most notably schweppes, to move in and give them work. But that was in an era when Government interventionism was praised, and didnt become the dirty word it latterly did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: You should definately put me on ignore. Why? I find you funny. Edited January 25, 2021 by sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Fredriksson Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, sunday said: Why? I find you funny. Oddly enough that's mutual. But I post way too seldom to hold any entertainment value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Another reason to not bother to put someone in ignore. Also, you do not use to put very boring, irrelevant walls of text. Edited January 25, 2021 by sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 14 hours ago, MiloMorai said: You do know that there is more 'Green Energy' jobs than oil industry jobs. Careful Milo, the Americans have google and they can actually check into the shit show that was the Liberal Green Energy program back in the McGuinty days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 https://www.nationalreview.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-domestic-terrorism-bill-is-a-targeting-of-almost-half-of-the-country/ Quote “It’s so dangerous as you guys have been talking about, this is an issue that all Democrats, Republicans, independents, Libertarians should be extremely concerned about, especially because we don’t have to guess about where this goes or how this ends,” Gabbard said. She continued: “When you have people like former CIA Director John Brennan openly talking about how he’s spoken with or heard from appointees and nominees in the Biden administration who are already starting to look across our country for these types of movements similar to the insurgencies they’ve seen overseas, that in his words, he says make up this unholy alliance of religious extremists, racists, bigots, he lists a few others and at the end, even libertarians.” She said her concern lies in how officials will define the characteristics they are searching for in potential threats. “What characteristics are we looking for as we are building this profile of a potential extremist, what are we talking about? Religious extremists, are we talking about Christians, evangelical Christians, what is a religious extremist? Is it somebody who is pro-life? Where do you take this?” Gabbard said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: So, in order, if I get it right: Had an extra-marital affair, is not white and not male. Not, White, Not Male. Didn't sleep her way to her position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice Also considered by most on the right to be a fine Secretary of State and I'd heard her name floated at a candidate for president before by folks on the right. Race doesn't mean anything to most Americans any more than just a descriptor. The ones who care MOST about race are those on the left using it as a club to beat their opponents with. Seriously. Stop throwing the "racist" thing around. You about as intelligible as a Dane searching for a bicycle tube by calling it Kameläsä. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: In Somerset, they hit this problem 50 years ago. They saw the end of coal coming, so they put investment in, and lobbied companies, most notably schweppes, to move in and give them work. But that was in an era when Government interventionism was praised, and didnt become the dirty word it latterly did. Well, now you have an example of where the world DOES need this resource still, and the government intervention is to stop the transport method but not the resource at all (it's known to be needed). That government intervention just killed 50,000 jobs. Key thing about US ideals of government. We want government to truly help or get the hell out of the way. Anything else is a problem. You Europeans might like government coming in and crapping all over the place like cattle that have gotten into your cottage, I guess it makes you feel useful in cleaning up the shit but we don't. Trump's key perk was getting the government the hell out of the way. Edited January 25, 2021 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Huh... Dr Jill's dissertation...https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20407226/bidens-dissertation.pdf "The needs of the student population are often undeserved, resulting in a student drop-out rate of almost one third." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitflegal Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, rmgill said: Not, White, Not Male. Didn't sleep her way to her position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice Also considered by most on the right to be a fine Secretary of State and I'd heard her name floated at a candidate for president before by folks on the right. Race doesn't mean anything to most Americans any more than just a descriptor. The ones who care MOST about race are those on the left using it as a club to beat their opponents with. Seriously. Stop throwing the "racist" thing around. You about as intelligible as a Dane searching for a bicycle tube by calling it Kameläsä. I'll add to this that racism in the US is surprisingly complex and often not truly clear to our own citizens, so those outside the US are probably effectively clueless. As a short primer, there is absolutely some classic racism between whites and blacks and while it tends to be more overt in the traditional slave states it absolutely exists in the rest of the country. It also exists across the political divide but is expressed differently. If you are liberal it is the classic paternalistic "poor ignorant dears needs a strong guiding hand to avoid harming themselves" trope but it functions the same when it comes to hiring, social selection, etc. Conversely a whole bunch of the black population sees whites both historically compromised but also have absorbed the African superiority tropes from the 60's and 70's. They tend to feel that they are stronger and tougher and more athletic. Intellectual superiority seems to be less prevalent but is there, often in combination with the whole black Egypt mythos. Where it gets interesting in in the hispanic/black divide. You have never heard unselfconscious racism until you've heard those two groups talk about each other. Seriously, take your most stereotypical trope of toothless racists rednecks and surpass it because they don't tend to look over their shoulders to check if they are in supportive company because they automatically assume that they are if they are surrounded by their own ethnic group. When we were in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait they didn't talk about Jews like these two groups talk about each other. Maybe in Japan when they were talking about Koreans and vice versa is similar. . . In my career I have seen one overt case of professional racism from white to black (in MI). I have no doubt there were others but they won't talk about it so you can't be sure until there are obviously skewed decisions. I have seen multiple times black professionals refuse to even interview Hispanics because "you know what they are like". In reverse the Hispanics disparage the black work ethic and don't want them on their team. Then you get Hispanic racism against those from further South. Talk to a Mexican immigrant or 1st 2nd generation citizen about South Americans! Often it goes into actual loathing. If you look on the conservative side, look how highly regarded Thomas Sowell, Col. West, and Rice are. I have no doubt at all that there are Republicans who would not vote for them because of their skin color. I will also say without a shadow of a doubt that there are plenty of Democrats who will not vote for a Hispanic president. Especially if he/she is Cuban or from South American roots. I'd also point out that a majority of white voters went for the black candidate. Twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Listen to the Briton. Not very Great anymore. Learn to be quite..... prosaic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Eastes Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: So, in order, if I get it right: Had an extra-marital affair, is not white and not male. So, no point in trying to talk to you, huh? If that’s what it all boils down to for you, I have no hope of ever being able to communicate meaningfully with your ilk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P Allen Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, rmgill said: Huh... Dr Jill's dissertation...https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20407226/bidens-dissertation.pdf "The needs of the student population are often undeserved, resulting in a student drop-out rate of almost one third." Those needs are usually undeserved, all right 🤨 The deeper we get into the 21st Century, the less college is like college and the more it is like a petting zoo. Somewhere in all this has been irretrievably lost the idea that students are responsible for their education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 41 minutes ago, nitflegal said: I'll add to this that racism in the US is surprisingly complex and often not truly clear to our own citizens, so those outside the US are probably effectively clueless. As a short primer, there is absolutely some classic racism between whites and blacks and while it tends to be more overt in the traditional slave states it absolutely exists in the rest of the country. It also exists across the political divide but is expressed differently. If you are liberal it is the classic paternalistic "poor ignorant dears needs a strong guiding hand to avoid harming themselves" trope but it functions the same when it comes to hiring, social selection, etc. Conversely a whole bunch of the black population sees whites both historically compromised but also have absorbed the African superiority tropes from the 60's and 70's. They tend to feel that they are stronger and tougher and more athletic. Intellectual superiority seems to be less prevalent but is there, often in combination with the whole black Egypt mythos. Using any rational definition of the word "racism," there is as much or more racism against whites by American blacks as vice versa. And don't forget the "Jesus was black" and "The real Jews were black" theories. Where it gets interesting in in the hispanic/black divide. You have never heard unselfconscious racism until you've heard those two groups talk about each other. Seriously, take your most stereotypical trope of toothless racists rednecks and surpass it because they don't tend to look over their shoulders to check if they are in supportive company because they automatically assume that they are if they are surrounded by their own ethnic group. When we were in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait they didn't talk about Jews like these two groups talk about each other. Maybe in Japan when they were talking about Koreans and vice versa is similar. . . In my career I have seen one overt case of professional racism from white to black (in MI). I have no doubt there were others but they won't talk about it so you can't be sure until there are obviously skewed decisions. I have seen multiple times black professionals refuse to even interview Hispanics because "you know what they are like". In reverse the Hispanics disparage the black work ethic and don't want them on their team. Then you get Hispanic racism against those from further South. Talk to a Mexican immigrant or 1st 2nd generation citizen about South Americans! Often it goes into actual loathing. One of my students told me, "If you want to see real racism, ask a Puerto Rican if he's Mexican." Hilarious thing is, that guy was half PR, half Mexican. IME, most Latinos consider Mexicans to be bottom of the barrel. And ironically, the racism in Mexico is quite evident between the mostly Spanish/French and the mostly Indian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Steven P Allen said: The deeper we get into the 21st Century, the less college is like college and the more it is like a petting zoo. Somewhere in all this has been irretrievably lost the idea that students are responsible for their education. At my previous job, a 2-yr college, one of my young colleagues referred to it as "13th grade." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Daan said: Ah Stuart, when the lockdowns end, you should really visit Belgian Wallonie, say around Charleroi, and try to examine your small versus big government story regarding to industrial transitions. Stay at an old industrialist's villa near Spa, they are really cheap to rent. Although I didn't actually go into the middle of Charleroi, I got close enough to the place (in perhaps 1998, 99) that it reminded me of Middlesbrough. Although Stuart does not live in that part of the country, he should be familiar with the concept of a place that looks as if it had never been rebuilt after a wartime carpet bombing, but in fact has simply decayed because of the total loss of its industrial base. The closest I can think of in the US is the thoroughly depressing pictures of Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: You should definately put me on ignore. You know there is room in here for discussion. there are some people who trip over their own dicks in their hurry to sneer and insult others, and there are those who don't. It seems to me that you have no interest in differentiating between these two groups and have chosen instead to indiscriminately troll or insult everyone, and so you get a reaction that confirms your opinion that there is no intelligent debate to be had. Even worse, you double down on the trolling and gleefully admit that your opinions are based on the most superficial reading of third-hand news filtered through what is an innate media bias towards the Democratic party, evidence at least since Slick WIlly was having his cigars played with and which rose to an absurd peak with a Nobel Peace Prize for a president Elect who had quite literally done nothing for world peace, and signally failed to do anything for that in the following eight years, instead breaking out the drone strikes like they were some sort of candy. As JSaari commented some posts ago, you're contributing nothing to any kind of conversation. Instead, you and many more like you who think that this is all a joke are feeding the emotions that increase the division. So, if that was your aim, well done you. If you're here just to point and laugh at the Bedlam inmates, well, that says more about you than it does about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 In other news, is Facebook about to see a day of reckoning? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55762104 I'm sure that beating Zuckerbot with a stick will ensure that the other social media platforms stay firmly in line. It's funny, though. Facebook gets dumped in the same "we hate them" box as all the others by TN's glitterati, no white knights for the Zuck in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, DB said: Although I didn't actually go into the middle of Charleroi, I got close enough to the place (in perhaps 1998, 99) that it reminded me of Middlesbrough. Although Stuart does not live in that part of the country, he should be familiar with the concept of a place that looks as if it had never been rebuilt after a wartime carpet bombing, but in fact has simply decayed because of the total loss of its industrial base. The closest I can think of in the US is the thoroughly depressing pictures of Detroit. You should see parts of the rust-belt from Pennsylvania to Illinois. Or you could look at Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 GOP senate map just got a little harder. Rob Portman announced he will not seek re-election, leaving the Ohio seat open for 2022. PA and NC are also GOP seats with retiring senators up for re-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitflegal Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 48 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: Oh I wasn't even going to touch the Puerto Rican piece, they look down on everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, nitflegal said: Oh I wasn't even going to touch the Puerto Rican piece, they look down on everybody! Even Cubans, IME. Figure that one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Biden overturns Trump ban on transgender people serving in U.S. military | Reuters “It’s simple: America is safer when everyone qualified to serve can do so openly and with pride,” Biden said on Twitter after the signing. ....... A November 2020 report by the LGBT-rights think tank the Palm Center co-written by former military Surgeons General said the transgender ban had hurt military readiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 More specifically, Biden makes it clear that if you want to join the military in order to pay for your transgender surgery, you can do so. Even if you become completely non-deployable, you'll be retained because it's your right. Expect to see capable, deployable troops drop due to getting all the down range deployments but no time for ongoing training necessary for advancement. No word yet on if asthmatics, agoraphobics or paraplegics can join or remain in the military however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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