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If you use a VPN connection, every time the web browser is closed it clears the cookies so when reopened another 20 searches can be made.  This is the case with my work laptop.

@LouieD I've done this for Challenger 1, but for Sep 89 not Jul.  If this is still of interest I'm happy to share.

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Greg.

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2 hours ago, GJK said:

If you use a VPN connection, every time the web browser is closed it clears the cookies so when reopened another 20 searches can be made.  This is the case with my work laptop.

@LouieD I've done this for Challenger 1, but for Sep 89 not Jul.  If this is still of interest I'm happy to share.

Best,

Greg.

Yes!!! I’ll DM you in a few.

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3 hours ago, Perun said:

Is there any date when could we enjoy in new (9.) version 🙂

If you can get my work, wife, and kids to cooperate I could have it done in two weeks!!!

I want to get it out before the end of the summer but realistically if I have it all done by October I will consider myself blessed!

 

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On 8/14/2023 at 7:43 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Look who is getting cited. :)

 

Second time Sir Humphrey has brought it to the fore on Twitter (do I have to pay him advertising fees?!?!)!

Version 10 that I am currently working on May stretch the page count nearer to 200 and should bring back many memories to the Old & Bold, show the Mandarins at the MOD what could be fielded with 55,000 men/women, and be the penultimate reference work for historians and gamers.

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1 hour ago, LouieD said:

If you can get my work, wife, and kids to cooperate I could have it done in two weeks!!!

I want to get it out before the end of the summer but realistically if I have it all done by October I will consider myself blessed!

 

I understand that 🙂👍

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On 1/6/2021 at 5:01 PM, LouieD said:

https://www.orbat85.nl/documents/BAOR-July-1989.pdf

 

Updated the following:

-Gurkha Coys roles explained

- GDP for Para Regt Gp added

- expanded on the RE section regarding the change to Close Support/General Support Engineer Regts

- added explanation and roles of General Service Units

Again, the devil is in the details, please peruse it and you will find many more additions & explanations.

 

This is the information of the Soviet military intelligence: the ORBAT of the 1st Army Corps of the BAOR in wartime and peacetime. Also this is 1989.

UK army corps (wartime).JPG

UK army corps (peacetime).JPG

 

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He comes up with some interesting stuff in the archives. The Tea advisor is a case in point, but there is lots more in there if you look.

A book I can recommend is 'The Secret State' by Peter Hennessy. Hennessy unearthed a priceless document where the treasury were objecting to the cost of a telephone in PM Harold Macmillans car, and the alternative scheme was to have members of the AA flag down the prime ministers motorcade to let him know a nuclear war was underway....

 

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RAFG was under 2 ATAF to the North. There were four bases

Gutersloh with Harrier GR3 (see separate posting on this)

Bruggen (all nuke tasked)
No 9 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 14 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 17 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1 (has laser guided bombs)
No 31 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 37 Squadron: 8 Rapier SAM

Laarbruch (all nuke tasked, except No 2)
No 15 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 16 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 20 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 2 Squadron: 15 Jaguar GR1A
No 26 Squadron: 8 Rapier SAM

Wildenrath
No 19 Squadron: 12 Phantom FGR.2
No 92 Squadron: 12 Phantom FGR.2
No 16 Squadron: 8 Rapier SAM
FOL at Gutersloh. Would operate at Deck altitude

Last three bases are almost in the Netherlands forcing Soviet attack aircraft to fly the entire depth of West Germany.

Chopped to SACEUR was:
Marham (back in UK)
No 27: 12 Tornado GR1
No 671: 12 Tornado GR1

Honington had the Tornado Weapons Conversion Unit (TWCU) for operational training. In wartime would form No 45 Squadron, also under SACEUR direct command
TWCU/No 45: 26 Tornado GR1

Cottesmore, in UK, was the base for the Tri-National Tornado Training Establishment (TTTE). This provided initial conversion to type training. As the name suggests it had 23 German, 19 RAF and 6 Italian Tornado IDS. Germany would have formed wartime squadrons from the TTTE. RAF possibly would have used these as attrition replacements to other squadrons. All servicing was by RAF ground crews, also a useful force augmentation.

Here is with available WE177 nuclear bombs in 1987:
http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/1987-91.PNG


Reinforcements:
No 237 Squadron: 9 Buccaneer S2 with peacetime training role. In wartime would probably deploy to Europe to buddy base with Dutch F-16A and RAFG aircraft. Retained nuke role with WE177. No 12 and No 208 were Uk based for anti shipping (12 a/c each)

Jaguar
No 6 and No 54 would deploy to Denmark (both nuke tasked)
No 41 to Norway.
No 2 Squadron was RAG as above in recon role.
No 226 was tasked to SACEUR, also nuke tasked.


The RAF had a substantial homeland defence role. Its unlikely they would reinforce RAFG.

Binbrook
No 5 Squadron: Lightning F.6.
No 11 Squadron: Lightning F.6.

Coninsby:
No 29: Tornado F3 (April 1987, declared fully operational 1 November 1987)
No 228 training: Phantom FGR2. Would form No 64 Squadron in wartime.
No 229 training: Tornado F2/F3. Would form No 65 Squadron in wartime.

Leuchars
No 43 Squadron: Phantom FG.1
No 111 Squadron: Phantom FG.1
No 27 Squadron: Rapier SAM

Wattisham
No 56: 15 Phantom FGR.2
No 74: 15 Phantom F-4J(UK)

Mount Pleasant, Falkland Islands
No 23: Phantom FGR.2

No 25 and No 85 Squadron had the Bloodhound II SAM
No 19, No 20, No 66 had Rapier to defend US air bases in UK.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1774596/article/33170607#33170607

 

Pleanty of interesting material

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On 4/29/2024 at 2:33 AM, Perun said:

RAFG was under 2 ATAF to the North. There were four bases

Gutersloh with Harrier GR3 (see separate posting on this)

Bruggen (all nuke tasked)
No 9 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 14 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 17 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1 (has laser guided bombs)
No 31 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 37 Squadron: 8 Rapier SAM

Laarbruch (all nuke tasked, except No 2)
No 15 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 16 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 20 Squadron: 12 Tornado GR.1
No 2 Squadron: 15 Jaguar GR1A
No 26 Squadron: 8 Rapier SAM

Wildenrath
No 19 Squadron: 12 Phantom FGR.2
No 92 Squadron: 12 Phantom FGR.2
No 16 Squadron: 8 Rapier SAM
FOL at Gutersloh. Would operate at Deck altitude

Last three bases are almost in the Netherlands forcing Soviet attack aircraft to fly the entire depth of West Germany.

Chopped to SACEUR was:
Marham (back in UK)
No 27: 12 Tornado GR1
No 671: 12 Tornado GR1

Honington had the Tornado Weapons Conversion Unit (TWCU) for operational training. In wartime would form No 45 Squadron, also under SACEUR direct command
TWCU/No 45: 26 Tornado GR1

Cottesmore, in UK, was the base for the Tri-National Tornado Training Establishment (TTTE). This provided initial conversion to type training. As the name suggests it had 23 German, 19 RAF and 6 Italian Tornado IDS. Germany would have formed wartime squadrons from the TTTE. RAF possibly would have used these as attrition replacements to other squadrons. All servicing was by RAF ground crews, also a useful force augmentation.

Here is with available WE177 nuclear bombs in 1987:
http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/1987-91.PNG


Reinforcements:
No 237 Squadron: 9 Buccaneer S2 with peacetime training role. In wartime would probably deploy to Europe to buddy base with Dutch F-16A and RAFG aircraft. Retained nuke role with WE177. No 12 and No 208 were Uk based for anti shipping (12 a/c each)

Jaguar
No 6 and No 54 would deploy to Denmark (both nuke tasked)
No 41 to Norway.
No 2 Squadron was RAG as above in recon role.
No 226 was tasked to SACEUR, also nuke tasked.


The RAF had a substantial homeland defence role. Its unlikely they would reinforce RAFG.

Binbrook
No 5 Squadron: Lightning F.6.
No 11 Squadron: Lightning F.6.

Coninsby:
No 29: Tornado F3 (April 1987, declared fully operational 1 November 1987)
No 228 training: Phantom FGR2. Would form No 64 Squadron in wartime.
No 229 training: Tornado F2/F3. Would form No 65 Squadron in wartime.

Leuchars
No 43 Squadron: Phantom FG.1
No 111 Squadron: Phantom FG.1
No 27 Squadron: Rapier SAM

Wattisham
No 56: 15 Phantom FGR.2
No 74: 15 Phantom F-4J(UK)

Mount Pleasant, Falkland Islands
No 23: Phantom FGR.2

No 25 and No 85 Squadron had the Bloodhound II SAM
No 19, No 20, No 66 had Rapier to defend US air bases in UK.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1774596/article/33170607#33170607

 

Pleanty of interesting material

Yep, I DO agree about that. Especially when it comes to aircrafts' armaments at the time.

However, 2 notes:

1. There's a typo in Marham sqn - should be 617th "Dambusters" not 671
2. Buccaneers from 237th Sqn/OCU would be used as in Desert Storm - with laser target designators for Tornados.

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