Dawes Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Think this will make it all the way through to production? Five European allies sign on to build NATO’s next medium-lift helicopter (defensenews.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Lay out the money hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 All these multinational efforts have turned into the usual dog and pony shows. See NH90. Jeezus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 Wonder if the US Army's "Future Long Range Assault Aircraft" would meet requirements? Bell and Sikorsky/Boeing already have flying demonstrators. And these days, a clean-sheet-of-paper aircraft is fiendishly expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Common sense vs politics...guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptLuke Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 hours ago, shep854 said: Common sense vs politics...guess. Arguably the common sense POV is assuming that the US will make such a giant mess of anything helo related, that this will be their big chance to crack the US market, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, CaptLuke said: Arguably the common sense POV is assuming that the US will make such a giant mess of anything helo related, that this will be their big chance to crack the US market, not the other way around. The pendulum swings both ways... I thought of the FAL/M14 mess as I typed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Simon Tan said: All these multinational efforts have turned into the usual dog and pony shows. See NH90. Jeezus. They can work...sometimes...the advantage of Euro model of doing things is that when the organization is created just for the aircraft, risk of tail wagging the dog is markedly reduced as the organization has a finite shelf-life instead of creating a military-industrial monstrosity which then lobs for orders to keep itself in existence. Of course the counter-argument is NH90. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 The organization will always seek to extend it's own existence. It is a natural state. In the case of NATO medium lift, just sign up for Defiance. Get a production license, do localizations and be very, very happy. Everything else is just bureaucratic welfare. The underlying technology is so far ahead of everything in the rest of NATO. Think of it like Sea King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, CaptLuke said: Arguably the common sense POV is assuming that the US will make such a giant mess of anything helo related, that this will be their big chance to crack the US market, not the other way around. Europe has made some inroads to the US market with the UH-72 Lakota and the MH-139 Gray Wolf. If we had selected the Airbus KC-45 (the USAF's original choice), we may have had some serviceable tankers by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 It probably has a better chance of reaching production than the French-German attempt at a heavy lift helicopter, if only because Europe has actually built successful medium lift rotorcraft, and the market makes it commercially viable. Then again, yeah, those dedicated multi-national projects tend to be drawn out with lotsa problems because everyone wants his particular requirements and production shares satisfied - NH90, A400M, I cud go on nad on ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) Which is why licensing the most promising technology and running with it for nation specific needs makes a lot more sense. Also Sam will have no capacity for NATO for a while. X2/Defiant is already in engineering. S97 is already flying. ETA:- Defiant is has been flying as well! (128) Sikorsky-Boeing SB-1 Defiant Takes Flight - YouTube Edited November 23, 2020 by Simon Tan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Would this work? Most of the conceptual and design work has already been done. Now I will not be around past 2038, but somehow I think that any Medium Lift helicopter will follow this concept, following the example, but improving upon the Osprey. https://james-camerons-avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Aerospatiale_SA-2_Samson#History Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I doubt it. The Bell tiltrotor Valor has a larger swept area and lacks the seamless transitions of the Defiance/Raider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Germany - bulk of money source. France - overall design leader. UK - international/political buffer. Italy - design support to France's role. Greece - image of little guy can help too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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