MiloMorai Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Sorry for the advert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 There is a new or fairly news Osprey book out about this campaign, it looks quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Great find. I was vaguely aware of the Aleutians campaign, but that video has definitely motivated me to learn more. Its great that historians are working on these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 The Aleutians were often referred to by Captain Binghamton in McHale's Navy as the place that McHale and his motley crew would be sent to to correct their lack of discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 13 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: Great find. I was vaguely aware of the Aleutians campaign, but that video has definitely motivated me to learn more. Its great that historians are working on these things. +1, with the Osprey volume linked to below: https://ospreypublishing.com/the-aleutians-1942-43?___store=osprey_usa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Tadayashi was only 19 when his A6M went down in theater. The youthfulness of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Was that the pilot of the A6M they recovered and exploited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Was that the pilot of the A6M they recovered and exploited? Yes, Tadayoshi Koga. There is an excellent book on this by Jim Rearden. Title is "Koga's Zero." "The Fighter that Changed the World". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 There was some truly excellent photos of the aircraft in an episode of pawn stars. It's a shame it didn't survive the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Agree, and I suspect that it would have found its way to permanent display at the Smithsonian if it had. An IJN submarine was on station for pilot recovery in the area IIRC. Ditching in the water may have been preferable on multiple levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Nobu said: Agree, and I suspect that it would have found its way to permanent display at the Smithsonian if it had. An IJN submarine was on station for pilot recovery in the area IIRC. Ditching in the water may have been preferable on multiple levels. From the air the ground looks flat and solid. In reality it was a marsh. The U.S. recovery team reported walking through about a foot of water around the plane. He landed with wheels down, went a short way, then the plane flipped on its back. Tadayoshi was found with his head in water still strapped in his seat. Ditching in the ocean in the Aleutians would be tantamount to freezing to death in short order. In retrospect, it would have been better for the pilot to belly land. His circling friends then would have known where exactly to radio the submarine. Where he landed was off the beaten path for U.S. flight paths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I would have said put it down on the beach, but being the Aleutians, there probably was nothing more than rock. That supposedly was the second zero they got hold of. There was another they managed to haul out of the jungle somewhere, but some cheb had chopped it off at the wing root which meant reassembly was impossible. Although im sure that wouldnt stop a warbird nut today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Wasn't there a description of the 'Zero' as being a sports plane with a powerful engine and a good armament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kennedy Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 6 hours ago, DougRichards said: Wasn't there a description of the 'Zero' as being a sports plane with a powerful engine and a good armament? Sorta like Italian fighters of the same era except far better range, a couple cannons and better pilots. Joe Brennan had a great thread many years back about how they stomped the sh@t out of Battle of Britain vets in Spitfires over Darwin. He also made an interesting point that the CW-21 Demon was basically comparable and a good example of “what might have been”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 12 hours ago, Rick said: From the air the ground looks flat and solid. In reality it was a marsh. The U.S. recovery team reported walking through about a foot of water around the plane. He landed with wheels down, went a short way, then the plane flipped on its back. Tadayoshi was found with his head in water still strapped in his seat. The recovery team should have been an IJN one, as it knew the location of the crash site and the intact nature of Tadayoshi’s airframe. 12 hours ago, Rick said: Ditching in the ocean in the Aleutians would be tantamount to freezing to death in short order. Would that I had seven lives to give for my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 37 minutes ago, Brian Kennedy said: Sorta like Italian fighters of the same era except far better range, a couple cannons and better pilots. Joe Brennan had a great thread many years back about how they stomped the sh@t out of Battle of Britain vets in Spitfires over Darwin. He also made an interesting point that the CW-21 Demon was basically comparable and a good example of “what might have been”. +1 on Joe Brennan! Anyone have any contact with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kennedy Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rick said: +1 on Joe Brennan! Anyone have any contact with him? I wish! He was posting in a few Other forums but hasn’t in years as far as I know (hope I’m wrong and hope he’s ok). if you ever want to go way old school, the newsgroup archive at https://yarchive.net/mil/index.html is pretty amazing. Also reads like kind of a mystery novel, a couple of the posters who claimed to be WW2 pilots were called out for being fakes etc. Edited November 27, 2020 by Brian Kennedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Brian Kennedy said: I wish! He was posting in a few Other forums but hasn’t in years as far as I know (hope I’m wrong and hope he’s ok). if you ever want to go way old school, the newsgroup archive at https://yarchive.net/mil/index.html is pretty amazing. Also reads like kind of a mystery novel, a couple of the posters who claimed to be WW2 pilots were called out for being fakes etc. Thank you for the link Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 6:16 AM, DougRichards said: The Aleutians were often referred to by Captain Binghamton in McHale's Navy as the place that McHale and his motley crew would be sent to to correct their lack of discipline. The USS William D. Porter is ready to welcome you there. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kennedy Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Brian Kennedy said: I wish! He was posting in a few Other forums but hasn’t in years as far as I know (hope I’m wrong and hope he’s ok). if you ever want to go way old school, the newsgroup archive at https://yarchive.net/mil/index.html is pretty amazing. Also reads like kind of a mystery novel, a couple of the posters who claimed to be WW2 pilots were called out for being fakes etc. no prob — still trying to track down the zeros vs spitfires over Darwin thread, it was epic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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