Uss Doris Miller Cvn-81

[Murph]

YES! It is about time he had another ship named for him.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0tby1gRsE0

[Tim the Tank Nut]

it's not named for a President and that is a start...

[Dawes]

Total PC garbage. The man certainly deserves to have a ship named after him, but traditionally it's a DD or frigate.

[R011]

Didn't we already have this discussion when the name was first announced?

 

I think I said then that naming the new class of FFG for him would have been both fitting and in keeping with tradition, but at least it isn't another damned politician.

[R011]

As for being PC, only one CVN since Nimitz hasnt had a politically motivated name. Better an actual hero than some segregationist who was chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Lucky for Miller he was a character in a popular film or he'd never have been considered.

[Dawes]

Points taken but to me it's just straight-up fucking PC pandering. But, moving on...

[JasonJ]

The older thread:

http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44404&do=findComment&comment=1465035

[R011]

Points taken but to me it's just straight-up fucking PC pandering. But, moving on...

Of course it is. They wanted to name a carrier after an African American as so far, they've all been named for assorted White guys and that plays badly in focus groups. Miller is perhaps the best known Black naval hero. They'd have gone for Obama if they could.

[Yama]

Again, it's not my business....but it feels bit 'off' to name a capital ship after an enlisted cook, even if a decorated war hero. A destroyer, sure, but a carrier? Maybe I am too much of a royalist but it feels weird.

That said, if the alternative is another 'USS Leonid Brezhnev', then I am all for Dorie!

[R011]

The realistic alternative would have been a prominent political figure who was not a cisgendered hetero White man. Chances are pretty good it would be someone controversial with minimal links to the Navy.

 

It would have been nice if they returned to the pre Nimitz Class naming tradition, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

[Ivanhoe]

Again, it's not my business....but it feels bit 'off' to name a capital ship after an enlisted cook, even if a decorated war hero. A destroyer, sure, but a carrier? Maybe I am too much of a royalist but it feels weird.

That said, if the alternative is another 'USS Leonid Brezhnev', then I am all for Dorie!

 

OMG, don't even joke about that!

[Stuart Galbraith]

Well, when they name 2 aircraft carriers after fairly minor officers in the USN, its not like they dont have much of an excuse not to name one after a CMOH winner.

 

It would have been better if they had not gone down the rabbit hole of naming warships after people though. Sooner or later it was always going to be used to chase particular demographics in search of funding.

[JW Collins]

I doubt that could have been forseen back in 1945 when they renamed a new one for the deceased FDR.

[Markus Becker]

it's not named for a President and that is a start...

This!

[a77]

What hapen to "unbiassed" name like Hornet, or Yorktown. Sure the guy deserve to be honored, but get the biggest meanest capital ship named after you, for followed a order to man a AA gun....

 

Edit: DId read that he later was killed in action.. that elevate his status.

Edited August 8, 2020 by a77

[shep854]

A lot of the 'traditional' carrier names went to gator carriers.

[CaptLuke]

It horrifies me that the US has thrown away names like Hornet, Lexington, Yorktown, and Enterprise but I also think it's a crime that there has never been a USS William Tillman, that guy was a badass. Nothing against Doris but William is way overdue.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I doubt that could have been forseen back in 1945 when they renamed a new one for the deceased FDR.

Yeah, that's a fair point. On the other hand, the Admiralty fought tooth and nail to stop Churchill getting a HMS Oliver Cromwell. I think they saw it as the tip of the wedge.

[R011]

It horrifies me that the US has thrown away names like Hornet, Lexington, Yorktown, and Enterprise but I also think it's a crime that there has never been a USS William Tillman, that guy was a badass. Nothing against Doris but William is way overdue.

Michael Bay didn't put Tillman into a movie, so few people know the story.

 

Yorktown is currently a cruiser. The new CVN-80 will be called Enterprise. The others haven't been reused since WW2.

Edited August 8, 2020 by R011

[Dawes]

It's curious that there hasn't been more from the PC crowd over USS Chancellorsville.

[Olof Larsson]

It horrifies me that the US has thrown away names like Hornet, Lexington, Yorktown, and Enterprise but I also think it's a crime that there has never been a USS William Tillman, that guy was a badass. Nothing against Doris but William is way overdue.

Better not name it simply "Tillman", because that could be confused with "Pitchfork" Benjamin Tillman...

[Brian Kennedy]

Or Pat Tillman...

[CaptLuke]

 

It horrifies me that the US has thrown away names like Hornet, Lexington, Yorktown, and Enterprise but I also think it's a crime that there has never been a USS William Tillman, that guy was a badass. Nothing against Doris but William is way overdue.

Better not name it simply "Tillman", because that could be confused with "Pitchfork" Benjamin Tillman...

 

 

Two ships have been named after the wrong Tillman: both DD–135, a Wickes-class destroyer, and DD-641, a Gleaves-class destroyer, were named after "Pitchfork" Ben. I'm guessing he's not going to get a third.

[JasonJ]

[Rickard N]

Would it be possible to name a new ship Oriskany or is that name "retired"?

 

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