Antifa - Who Are They, What Are They, Who Is Backing Them

[WRW]

Am curious what members think on this.

 

Is it an organisation - a franchise - a cool banner to wave?

Are they getting support from outside - organisational, ideological, tactical ?

 

how best to deal with them?

[Stuart Galbraith]

The Forces of International Communism.

 

[RETAC21]

Am curious what members think on this.

 

Is it an organisation - a franchise - a cool banner to wave?

Are they getting support from outside - organisational, ideological, tactical ?

 

how best to deal with them?

 

I would say it's a convenient umbrella for different hooligans to practise vandalism. Resourcewise, not much is needed.

 

The only way to deal with them is through their tracking and preventive arrests/expulsions.

[Ssnake]

They sell pink umbrellas, I heard.

[WRW]

Lol

 

do you think that there might be input from the drug cartels, AQ or Hezbollah

kill the infidel at home, destabilize the US, sell more drugs etc

[Rick]

Lol

 

do you think that there might be input from the drug cartels, AQ or Hezbollah

kill the infidel at home, destabilize the US, sell more drugs etc

Not yet.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Lol

 

do you think that there might be input from the drug cartels, AQ or Hezbollah

kill the infidel at home, destabilize the US, sell more drugs etc

No, I think there is some input from China and Russia though, there is certainly some evidence Russia has coopted Black Lives Matter in the past. In fact, this very day Ive read Kim Jong Un threatening Trump to stay out of Korean affairs if he wants a smooth reelection is an admission they have the ability to meddle, and are just awaiting the call to do so. There is no explicit threat to use Antifa, but at the present time, its self evidently the best tool to use.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/11/north-korea-warns-us-stay-affairs-want-smooth-election/

[Murph]

Project Veritas is going to name names of the funders today. They need to be rounded up, arrested, tried, convicted, and if not US citizens deported. They are criminals, pure criminals.

[rmgill]

[Sardaukar]

Amusingly...ANTIFA is exactly what their name claims they are fighting against.

 

Mainly a loose "terrorist organization", often funded by Russia (who would fund anyone stirring $hit up).

 

Their main aim is civil unrest.

[Ivanhoe]

Amusingly...ANTIFA is exactly what their name claims they are fighting against.

 

Mainly a loose "terrorist organization", often funded by Russia (who would fund anyone stirring $hit up).

 

Their main aim is civil unrest.

 

Keep in mind that they claim to be against anti-Semitism. Assume extermination is one of their long-term goals, until proven otherwise.

[Nobu]

It would not surprise me if they used the Hong Kong protests last year as a training ground for that aim, as they appear well organized and able to conduct leaderless operations.

[Sardaukar]

 

Amusingly...ANTIFA is exactly what their name claims they are fighting against.

 

Mainly a loose "terrorist organization", often funded by Russia (who would fund anyone stirring $hit up).

 

Their main aim is civil unrest.

 

Keep in mind that they claim to be against anti-Semitism. Assume extermination is one of their long-term goals, until proven otherwise.

 

 

They are friggin far from "anti-semitism", AFAIK. Their far-left ideology has never shunned supporting all sorts of activity.

 

They just draw in all sorts of thugs bent to raising hell.

Edited June 13, 2020 by Sardaukar

[AETiglathPZ]

"Antifa is a movement that began in the 1930s. in opposition to rising waves of European fascism. Today, it is a political protest movement made up of a number of autonomous groups and people with very little in common, affiliated only by their sincere opposition to fascism, authoritarianism, and other forms of extreme right-wing ideologies.
There is no antifa leadership, no organization, no roster. It is an idea. Some people who are antifa are anarchists, some are not. Some are Socialists, some are not. Most oppose runaway capitalism and all oppose authoritarian fascism.
Not a group. A movement. One that rises up when fascist forces do, as a counter."

 

"ANTIFA IS NOT AN ORGANIZATION. It is a movement. There is no training. There is no leader. There is no official membership. If you are Anti Fascist you are ANTIFA. I do not want another rise of the Reich. I am ANTIFA. Are you?"

 

 

I copied and pasted these from other people on Facebooks that were making public statements. People confuse two concepts of "What is Antifa". I am just going to try to approach it from HUMINT level like I work next to a S-2 section or something.

 

Concept 1: Antifa, short for Antifascists', is a basic ideology. To compare ideology with theology, It is like someone saying they are "Christian." To be Christian all you have to do is believe that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior. To believe you are Antifa you just have to be opposed to Fascism and Fascists. Like being a Christian, there are many different ways of practicing that belief system, there are many different ways to be Antifa.

 

Concept 2: The Antifa that is famous, that you all know and love, can be best described as a more specific church, specifically a loose church congregation but without a church building or clergy. The more violent and famous churches being the ones on the west coast around Berkeley, CA and Seattle, WA. These Anarcho-Communism, red and black flag waving, Marxist quoting, look at Father Makhno as their Saint Peter ANTIFA church. Sometimes every man is a church. Sometimes a group of people of the red and black flag wavers come together as a church. Sometimes the red and black flag waving church people come together with non-flag, rainbow flag, other flag waving people of other churches but all are Antifacist.

 

So who is considered a fascist and is hated by Antifa?

100% can agree Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, KKK are Fascist.

99.999% can agree that the current President is a Fascist.

 

Now this is where the churches get weird. Is your MAGA hat wearing Uncle a Fascist? Should he be "engaged" like a Swastika wearing neo-Nazi?

How about the Israeli government? Pallywood paints the government of Israel as Fascist and that has gained traction with the liberal college age youth of today.

Is that Asian-American reporter considered biased media, a propagandist, or a spy getting DOX for team right-wing?

What about if you have a 401K? Can you invest in stocks, hate Nazis, and be Antifa?

Edited June 13, 2020 by AETiglathPZ

[Rick]

Antifa reminds me of ELF -- Earth Liberation Front -- 20 years ago. Wonder if the same people then are the parents of climate change and antifa?

[Ivanhoe]

Concept 2: The Antifa that is famous, that you all know and love, can be best described as a more specific church, specifically a loose church congregation but without a church building or clergy. The more violent and famous churches being the ones on the west coast around Berkeley, CA and Seattle, WA. These Anarcho-Communism, red and black flag waving, Marxist quoting, look at Father Makhno as their Saint Peter ANTIFA church. Sometimes every man is a church. Sometimes a group of people of the red and black flag wavers come together as a church. Sometimes the red and black flag waving church people come together with non-flag, rainbow flag, other flag waving people of other churches but all are Antifacist.

 

Their flag and logos are white, red, and black. Reminds me of a flag found all over Europe in the middle of the 20th century.

 

Hint; both movements enjoyed breaking storefront windows.

[Murph]

Antifa is the Current military arm of the Democrat party since the KKK is no longer useful to them in crushing opposition to their power.

[Stargrunt6]

 

99.999% can agree that the current President is a Fascist.

 

 

Even at a 44% approval rating? Not really...

Edited June 13, 2020 by Stargrunt6

[Ivanhoe]

[Nobu]

They could be the Weather Underground reincarnate, but I think they may be less interested in the political/ethical cause, and more interested in using that cause as cover to increase its own skill and power.

 

Protests against "the man" anywhere in the world are opportunities for them.

[Ivanhoe]

A BLM leader has stated they are modeling the 1960s Black Panther movement.

[WRW]

this group has to destroy itself from within

[Roman Alymov]

Russian liberals reaction to US riots

Source in Russian https://echo.msk.ru/blog/solonin/2659628-echo/?fbclid=IwAR2mF27RqQ95ghy4FS1Hb10IkBmeLkuBupcDdooGpCK2nTlHC49vOgJ1OQQ

Yandex-translation to English

 

 

Red and black

 

The gold spent on decorating a coffin that floated through sobbing crowds in American cities will not be wasted if it becomes an additional reason to wonder: What was it? Where did this come from? What will it lead to?
1. WHO DID NOT HAVE TIME, HE WAS LATE
The proletarian revolution in the advanced, industrialized countries of Western Europe, which the Communists so much dreamed of, should have been staged earlier. Much earlier. At the latest, ten years before the "Manifesto" was written. In those hungry times, the new-born capitalism, in the fever of initial accumulation, could not create high-paying jobs. And there were not enough low-paid people to fill the crowd of ruined/poor peasants who were hopelessly crowding at the sooty factory gates. The lucky one was the one who had the opportunity to work for 12 hours for a bowl of food (however, this grace was also denied to many — Google "revolt of the National workshops of 1848 in Paris").
In those fabulous (for Communists) times, the concepts of "worker" and "proletarian" — absolutely incompatible in their original meaning — paradoxically merged and designated the same person. This was the moment to seize! But it didn't work out. We will not be distracted by condemning the question of why. Unable. No time. We tried, but it didn't work.
The last desperate attempt was made in 1918-19, when, against the background of poverty and General outrage caused by years of bloody war, Western Europe sparkled. Specifically so sparkled (Bayern, Hungary, Finland-however, the latter in those years is difficult to attribute to the category of "advanced"), but this time the "Reds" lost. What followed was a desperate attempt to jump on a long-gone train. Chicken in the refrigerator and a budget "Ford" in the yard of your own house finally and irrevocably divorced the concepts of "worker" and"proletarian". In the second half of the 20th century, the European Communist parties turned into a walking joke, and after the end of financial support from Moscow and completely turned into an empty place.
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2. THE NEW PROLETARIANS
And then, when the last hope left the heart of the last fighter for the dictatorship of the proletariat, Marx's teaching proved that it was all-powerful. Because it's true. As the classics promised, " capitalism has forged its own gravedigger." It doesn't look right, though… This is not a muscular worker, 2 meters tall, with a square jaw lit up by the flames of a blast furnace. Today it is a stooped nerd with a packet of chips in one hand, a can of beer in the other (for the US-more likely with a "joint" in his teeth), forever stuck to the sagging sofa in front of the TV.
Meet — here it is, the new proletarian. Proletarian in the most original (ancient Roman) sense of the word: a hereditary idler who lives on state benefits. He has nowhere to work, and is reluctant, and it is easier for the state to pay him a monthly handout than to instruct him "on the right path". There are a lot of them, and there will be even more. They can not be absent in a society where 2 people employed in the agro-industrial sector are able to feed 98 consumers.
We all know the names of the learned comrades of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky… No one seems to know the name of the political strategist who first thought to combine two fundamental ideas:
a) "One person — one vote"
b )" one box — twenty bottles»
The current rules of operation of the ballot box are such that the voice of the chief designer of "Boeing" and the voice of a drunken homeless person have the same weight. The weight is the same, but the price is different! To convince the chief designer to put a "tick" in the desired (for the persuader) column of the ballot, you need to say a lot, and this will not be enough — you need to do something good for the whole country. 20 votes 20 homeless people are bought for 1 case of vodka. And that's not all! The modern welfare state is designed so that self-destruction can be put on self-financing: the "left", having broken into Parliament, vote for an increase in taxes on workers and benefits for proletarians; the proletarians are delighted to vote for the "left", they increase their representation in Parliament and carry out a new increase in taxes and benefits… And so to the final point, to the victory of the new Communists in the elections according to the old, infamous formula: "One person, one voice, one last time."
3. THE PATIENT MAY WAKE UP
The "Reds", hopelessly depressed after the collapse of the SSR feeder, started up like an awakened eagle. "Our time has come!» TheTimeIsNow. Don't be lazy, watch this Bernie Sanders campaign video (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=431119514323680) Until the last second. Turn the volume up to maximum — this is a rally. Feel deeply… Their time has come.
It would seem that the game is win-win. Without a single shot, without getting up from the sofa, the new proletarians will bring the "Reds" to the heights of power. No politician in any country in the Euro-Atlantic world would dare to question the principle of "one person, one vote". This cow is sacred and inviolable. The proletarian mass in society is steadily increasing-both as a result of the General increase in labor productivity, and as a result of the removal of real production to the countries of the "third world". And yet, and yet, and yet... a Worm of fear and doubt is gnawing at the soul: "what if they come to their senses?» A cow is a cow, but people on a desert island would rather eat a sacred cow than starve to death or eat each other…
And then the "Reds" enter the battle Reserve of the Main command-the blacks.
4. WHYBLACKSMATTER
Negroes in the United States are much more than a hard-core electorate hooked on budget freebies, ready to vote for increased taxes and benefits. The black community of the United States-of course, not all of them, but a significant part of it — is the power reserve of the "Reds". They are being prepared for what the "Browns" prepared their "assault squads"for a hundred years ago in Germany.
Of course, it's not the color of your skin that makes you a drug addict or a thug. The willingness to smash, set fire to, or even kill does not arise by itself. There is a lot of work behind all this: long-term training of whites, long-term training of blacks. Some are instilled a sense of" eternal guilt "and" unpaid debt "to those who will be shown by the media, almost completely captured by the"left". Others are instilled with the instincts of an eternally offended, angry lumpen.
From the great number of examples of training, we will give one, fresh and very remarkable. Journalist E. M. Albats tells how during the Days of great Mourning for the murdered Floyd, she attended a rally of progressive anti-racists. I quote it word for word: "The host said rather sharply, aggressively: "White men, come here." And those white men among the protesters who were, all came there. And he turned to them and said: "Do you like black Americans?» And they replied in unison: «Yes». And he said: "Now say it out loud: "We love black Americans." And I looked at and photographed these people, and I will publish it all on the website of the new Times magazine. And many of the guys there, the men, had tears in their eyes."
The main charm of this story is the place of action. Detroit. A city that was once a symbol of America's industrial power, now turned into a corner of Zimbabwe on American soil: the highest unemployment, the highest percentage of families living below the poverty line, the number of murders per 1,000 people. the population is ten times higher than in the restless new York, 30 thousand empty homes, total drug addiction. 83% of the population of today's Detroit is black; of
1.6 million white people have left in the last 30 years 1.4 million have left
Yevgenia Markovna is not alone in her feelings. In the 21st century, the American University turns into a 13th-century University, where the main disciplines were theology and scholasticism. Discussion is inappropriate. "We are eternally indebted to these poor people." This is a dogma of faith. Anyone who dares to question it is labeled "racist", and this word is supposed to react the way in medieval Europe reacted to the word" heretic"; Yes, they are not yet burned, but the dismissal without a chance to return to the academic environment is guaranteed. There is no one God, but there are Holy martyrs. Today it's George Floyd. Before him was Rodney king.
The guy was whiling away the time of his parole after an earlier robbery. March 3, 1992, warmed up by alcohol and drugs, Rodney with the wind (188 km/h) swept through Los Angeles, ignoring traffic lights. During the arrest, he offered violent resistance to the police. The court reviewed the actions of the police and found them lawful. The black community (including the black mayor of the beautiful city of Angels) was outraged by the verdict. For the sake of truth, we note that the pogrom was quickly joined by a criminal "bottom" of various shades of skin color. The result: 63 dead, 2.383 injured, about 5 thousand commercial premises were looted, 1,150 units were stolen. the total damage to the city was estimated at $ 1 billion. Rodney king received-no, not a new term, but compensation in the amount of $ 3.8 million; with this money, he bought a luxury house with a pool, in which he drowned while under the influence of drugs.
This text was written on June 10, 2020. The day before, the city Council of Minneapolis - a city gripped by riots-decided to disband the police Department. On June 11, a full-fledged mutiny began in Seattle, with the full connivance of the city and state authorities controlled by the democratic Party. Revolution on the March. The outcome of the confrontation depends on how soon the "whites" (in every possible sense of the word) will understand the price of the issue.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Roman Alymov

[Simon Tan]

Cucks and simps to the fore.

[Jeff]

A BLM leader has stated they are modeling the 1960s Black Panther movement.

That's what I figured.