glenn239 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 12 hours ago, 17thfabn said: Always have a USS Enterprise in service or building Dunno on that one. There is an argument to be made that you retire the jersey.
Tim the Tank Nut Posted February 12 Posted February 12 not that one... CV6 set a bar that only Warspite can match. The USN without Enterprise is a hollow force. Lineage counts. Sometimes fortune matters, too.
17thfabn Posted February 12 Posted February 12 While we are renaming federal properties, how about renaming the J. Edger Hoover FBI building?
R011 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 5 hours ago, Soren Ras said: Then Fort Lee can just be renamed after Light-Horse Harry Lee. Certainly not a Confederate soldier, but it'll stay in the family. As for Fort Hood (today Fort Cavazos), well John Hood was in practical terms more of a Union asset than a Confederate one, but otherwise I suppose they can probably find someone more worthy with the name Hood, or maybe they could instead honor Audie Murphy, or Alvin York, for that matter. Not to denigrate Gen Cavazos, who was by all acounts a fine and brave officer, but he got the honor of having the previous Fort Hood named after him (as well Biden's elevation of his DSC into the Medal of Honor a few months before that to improve the optics) mainly for ticking the diversity box of being the first Hispanic four star. He ticks the diversity box, but he's still worthy of having a base. named for him in his own right. Two DSCs and a distinguished career. More so than Hood, Branson Bragg or PFC Bragg.
R011 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 hours ago, Tim the Tank Nut said: not that one... CV6 set a bar that only Warspite can match. The USN without Enterprise is a hollow force. Lineage counts. Sometimes fortune matters, too. Being immortalized by a massively popular entertainment franchise helps. Otherwise the USN would have carriers named Lexington, Saratoga, and Hornet instead of Ford, Clinton, and Bush.
Tim the Tank Nut Posted February 12 Posted February 12 It isn't hurting but all those famous carriers combined didn't contribute what Enterprise did to the war effort. Between all three they probably didn't fight ten battles. The Enterprise probably didn't miss ten battles. The scrapping of CV6 is the single greatest crime in USN history. It helps some that CVN65 was such a beast. Also, the rental car company really is named after the WW2 carrier.
Tim Sielbeck Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 hours ago, 17thfabn said: While we are renaming federal properties, how about renaming the J. Edger Hoover FBI building? Tear down and rebuild/rename the FBI first.
R011 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 34 minutes ago, Tim the Tank Nut said: It isn't hurting but all those famous carriers combined didn't contribute what Enterprise did to the war effort. Between all three they probably didn't fight ten battles. The Enterprise probably didn't miss ten battles. The scrapping of CV6 is the single greatest crime in USN history. It helps some that CVN65 was such a beast. Also, the rental car company really is named after the WW2 carrier. No one now cares what CV 6 or CVN 65 did. They should , but they don't. They do care about NCC 1701.
Rick Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, R011 said: Being immortalized by a massively popular entertainment franchise helps. Otherwise the USN would have carriers named Lexington, Saratoga, and Hornet instead of Ford, Clinton, and Bush. Good point.
17thfabn Posted February 12 Posted February 12 44 minutes ago, R011 said: No one now cares what CV 6 or CVN 65 did. They should , but they don't. They do care about NCC 1701. I care about CV 6 and the brave men of her crew and their accomplishments. I am sure that all U.S. members of the forum that are interested in World War II and many of the non U.S. members also care. I didn't know what NCC 1701 was until I looked it up. BTW this is going to be VERY controversial. I'm not a big sci fi fan. It is clear that Star Trek franchise is much better than Star Wars story line.
17thfabn Posted February 12 Posted February 12 2 hours ago, R011 said: Being immortalized by a massively popular entertainment franchise helps. Otherwise the USN would have carriers named Lexington, Saratoga, and Hornet instead of Ford, Clinton, and Bush. The reason we have carriers named after politicians is unsurprisingly ........ politics. Team Democrat and Team Republican want their heroes name on the big ship. The names Lexington, Saratoga, Hornet and Enterprise represent all the brave service men who crewed them. They represent the entire nation, not just one party.
R011 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, 17thfabn said: I care about CV 6 and the brave men of her crew and their accomplishments. I am sure that all U.S. members of the forum that are interested in World War II and many of the non U.S. members also care. I didn't know what NCC 1701 was until I looked it up. BTW this is going to be VERY controversial. I'm not a big sci fi fan. It is clear that Star Trek franchise is much better than Star Wars story line. People like us are a very small minority. If we weren't, the historic carrier names wouldn't have been replaced by politician ones. And neither Star Trek nor Star Wars can touch Babylon 5 and Stargate, except maybe for DS9 and Lower Decks.
Sinistar Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) cannot say about the others because i am not familiar with them star wars and star trek jumped the shark a long time ago over saturation of upteen different films or series or books or alternate timelines or character arcs and spinoffs woke influences but of the two star wars draws from world war II references the space battles look like world war two fighter aircraft in the manner they must close the distance regardless of weapons technology and always meet on the same horizontal plane despite maneuvering in space the empire's basic fighters roar in a way which is an obvious reference to the german stuka the empire in the first films draw obvious references from german uniform designs the problem with star trek is the stories are written by sci fi and tech nerds who cannot write a compelling story- excepting the wrath of khan the rest suck they contain too much technospeak what they did was gift the federation with technologies which can do virtually anything which removes any and all tension if there is a situation which creates an emergency there is some gizmo on the entprise which does that- alter reality or time and space or gravity or whatever needs to be done in the terrible television series with captain jean luc the writers introduced a character named Q which they basically insinuate is godlike - some godlike intelligence in the universe he is a playful antagonist and throws the enterprise and captain jean luc into situations just to toy with them until we see yet again there is nothing which either piccard cannot outthink or the enterprise cannot outpeform- which suggests that the federation itself has attained godlike status see also: battles with the borg - a civilization which brings the knowledge and technology of countless other cultures across the universe which they have assimilated against the federation- no matter plans are foiled battles lost all the same these supposedly advanced civilizations and entities routinely show that they are no match for the enterprise or the crew and which therefore relieves all tension if there was any to begin with terrible Edited February 12 by Sinistar
futon Posted February 12 Posted February 12 "USS Hornet conducts joint-training with JS Izumo" "USS Saratoga conducts joint-training with JS Kaga" or.. "USS Bush conducts joint-training with JS Izumo" "USS Clinton conducts joint-training with JS Kaga" USS Washington and USS Reagan are still good though. Let it end with Reagan.
Ssnake Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, futon said: Let it end with Reagan I like my Laundry Ship Walter Mondale.
17thfabn Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, futon said: USS Washington and USS Reagan are still good though. Let it end with Reagan. I'd say stick with USS Washington for all, give the Republicans Lincoln, the Democrats FDR and end the ships named after politicians.
Stargrunt6 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, futon said: "USS Hornet conducts joint-training with JS Izumo" "USS Saratoga conducts joint-training with JS Kaga" or.. "USS Bush conducts joint-training with JS Izumo" "USS Clinton conducts joint-training with JS Kaga" USS Washington and USS Reagan are still good though. Let it end with Reagan. Clinton ... "caga" in Spanish is not very nice lol
Ivanhoe Posted February 13 Posted February 13 The advantage Cavazos has over other renames is that Richard Cavazos is a Texas boy, grew up in south Texas (near the famous King Ranch). Commanded III Armored Corps for awhile, which is now headquartered at Hood/Cavazos. Not sure if III Armored Corps was HQed at Hood/Cavazos when he was CO.
futon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 29 minutes ago, Stargrunt6 said: Clinton ... "caga" in Spanish is not very nice lol That can work, lol
futon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 51 minutes ago, 17thfabn said: I'd say stick with USS Washington for all, give the Republicans Lincoln, the Democrats FDR and end the ships named after politicians. USS FDR.. maybe reserve that one if it comes to it again
futon Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Ssnake said: I like my Laundry Ship Walter Mondale. Can't disagree!
Stargrunt6 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Ssnake said: I like my Laundry Ship Walter Mondale. Shouldn't that be Bill Clinton? I'll see myself out...
Tim Sielbeck Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Ssnake said: I like my Laundry Ship Walter Mondale. 🤣🤣🤣 👍👍👍
rmgill Posted February 13 Posted February 13 12 hours ago, 17thfabn said: While we are renaming federal properties, how about renaming the J. Edger Hoover FBI building? Leave it be. They can keep their perverted trans checkbox. Just to remind the FBI of what NOT to do.
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