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2 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

See how well that works at the U.S. ninth district court of appeals.

Call it by the proper name, the 9th Circus Court of Appeals. 
 

They get overturned more often than any other cirtuit as I understand it. 

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37 minutes ago, sunday said:

Of course, pre-WWII Poland was a Fascist regime. Or at least that was what the Stalinist claimed.

Semi-authoritarian, but where our government AND a substantial number of the Juice agreed was that there were quite too many of the latter in the interwar Poland. If they wanted some military training in order to get their national homeland, why wouldn't we humor them? This plus Zionists-revisionists liked Piłsudski, that made them good blokes, eh? ;)

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July 1954 was exceptionally hot in Governador Valadares. Dr. Apoloniusz Zarychta, the owner of a well-established company trading in precious stones in Belo Horizonte, has been sweating in the Brazilian city for several weeks, trying to organize the extraction of precious metals. On July 19, he received a letter sent by the company's headquarters in Belo. The stamp and stamps showed that the shipment was posted in Tel Aviv, Israel. – We, Polish Jews in Israel, feel that the help provided by the Polish Government to our cause of freedom is a pearl in the crown of Poland, proof that what we learned about Kościuszko and Mickiewicz at school is not a phrase, but a tradition – wrote the author letter by Benjamin Gepner, who can hardly be accused of cheap sentimentality. Gepner spent the entire World War II in the ranks of the notorious Stern Gang, fighting the British occupation forces in Palestine and exterminating Arab villages. A Polish amethyst seeker from the Rio Doce, associated before the war with the neo-pagan and nationalist magazine "Zadruga", was the most appropriate addressee of the letter written by a former Jewish terrorist.

Doctor Zarychta, once an officer of the Military Geographic Service, met Abraham Stern when, as the pre-war head of the emigration department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland, he coordinated a super-secret plan to help Jews fighting for the establishment of the State of Israel. Before the war, Sanacja Poland became a recruitment and training center for Vladimir Jabotinsky's right-wing Zionists, fighting against the British and Arabs in Palestine.

Terrorism as a scientific discipline

In the spring of 1939, the Beskid forests near Andrychów were repeatedly shaken by explosions and shootings. 25 young men took part in the secret operation and were forbidden to have any contact with the local population. For four months, under the supervision of Polish Army instructors, the newcomers learned guerrilla warfare and sabotage techniques, trained in organizing terrorist attacks and bombings, and learned the basics of conspiracy. As one of the participants of the training recalled years later: "Poles treated the terrorism course as a scientific discipline, we learned mathematical formulas for demolishing structures made of cement, iron, wood, bricks and earth."

The four-month course ended with a lavish party with the participation of the commander of the "Karpaty" army, General Kazimierz Fabrycy, and colonels Józef Smoleński and Tadeusz Pełczyński, who represented the famous Dwójka, or the Second Department of the General Staff, as the pre-war military intelligence was called. When the officers had had some drinks, General Fabrycy asked the commander of the trained group where the course participants came from. – From all over the world, this one, for example, is from China – replied the commander, pointing to the young officer who was born in Harbin, Manchuria. “He doesn't look Chinese to me,” the general said, and they both laughed, because the course participants actually had nothing to do with China. The course in Andrychów was intended for officers of the Irgun, an underground army founded by the leader of the Zionist right wing, Vladimir Jabotinsky, to fight for a Jewish state in Palestine. The fighters, tracked by the British, secretly got to Poland from Palestine in small groups, on LOT planes running between Haifa and Warsaw, or on the Polonia liner, which connected Palestine with the Romanian port of Constanta, and from there by train to Krakow. With a few exceptions, everyone spoke Polish.

The Irgun was created by the Palestinian middle class, mostly of Polish origin – says Dr. Laurence Weinbaum, a historian from the Jabotinsky Institute in Tel Aviv, who in the book "Marriage of convenience, New Zionist Organization and Polish Government 1936–1939" quotes the opinion of the famous writer Artur Koestler: "the Irgun command consisted of young Polish intellectuals brought up in the chivalric tradition of romantic independence and revolutionary uprisings." This similarity of views was also visible in Andrychów.

– Polish instructors saw us as a new type of Jews, they were really happy that they were taking part in creating a Jewish army – recalled Yaakov Meridor, a training participant quoted by Weinbaum.

The course in Andrychów is the result of an agreement concluded in 1936 between Jabotinsky and the Polish authorities. It assumed assistance for the Polish army in training Jewish fighters fighting for the State of Israel in Palestine. The initial stage consisted of paramilitary camps for Zionist youth, organized under the patronage of the Ministry of Military Affairs in the summer of 1936 and 1937. The first group of approximately 40 Irgun soldiers appeared in Poland in the summer of 1938, conducting regular military training in Zofiówka in Volhynia and Podębin near Łódź. The course in Andrychów was supposed to be the culmination of cooperation. The training of a cadre group of experts, who then shared their knowledge with hundreds of Jewish soldiers in Palestine, was supervised by Abraham Stern himself, the commander of the Irgun, born in Suwałki.

"His slim figure spoke of concentrated energy, as if in a spring, and the flashes of his eyes when he talked about fighting had something of the aggressiveness and fierceness of a hornet" - this is how Apoloniusz Zarychta, who led the training of Zionist fighters on behalf of the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, remembered him.

Fun with swastikas

We had before us a man of ideas, like our Piłsudski, his words about the need to fight and the sacrifice of blood to gain freedom were close to us, because hardly any of us did not take part in the independence fights – this is what Apoloniusz Zarychta wrote about the first meeting with Vladimir Jabotinsky, to which took place at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Warsaw on September 9, 1936. Zarychta wasn't far wrong. The conspiratorial blotter of Piłsudski's underground from the time of the partitions was the basis for the functioning of the Irgun, which in Palestine was the armed arm of Jabotinsky's Zionists.

Poles never understood Ben Gurion's socialism. Jabotinsky and Stern spoke the language of the saber and Poland liked it very much, said Israel Scheib Eldad after the war from the Betar youth organization founded by Jabotinsky, an Irgun support base. Jabotinsky's supporters have never hidden their fascination with Piłsudski. In 1935, the Betar delegation even placed soil from the grave of their patron Joseph Trumpeldor on the Piłsudski Mound.

Once the right hand of the founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, Vladimir Jabotinsky broke with the Zionist movement in the interwar period because he did not believe that it would be possible to negotiate with the British consent to the peaceful colonization of Palestine and the establishment of the state of Israel. Calling for an armed struggle for Israel, Jabotinsky founded an organization of revisionist Zionists and, following the example of Józef Piłsudski, began to build the military cadres of the future state.

He established the youth organization Betar, which focused on military and ideological training of young Zionists.

– Betar are children playing with the Jewish swastika – said the leader of the World Zionist Organization, Chaim Weizmann, about Jabotinsky's militias, and David Ben-Gurion maliciously called the leader of the revisionists Vladimir Hitler.  (well, yeah, given how far left DBG and the like were, they likely considered everything right of Lenin to be fascist - U)

Indeed, Jabotinsky was ready to ally with the devil himself, as long as it would bring him closer to his goal of winning for the Jews their own state. In 1934, the revisionists gained the support of Benito Mussolini, who agreed to admit a 136-person unit of Betar volunteers to the naval school in Civitavecchia.

Mussolini, who was known for his aversion to Nazi anti-Semitism, appreciated and respected the revisionist leader. – For Zionism to succeed, you need a Jewish state with a Jewish language and a Jewish flag, Duce said.

When Jabotinsky appeared in Warsaw two years after the beginning of Betar training in fascist Italy, dark clouds were already hanging over the Jews of Europe. The Nazis introduced the racist Nuremberg Laws, causing a virtual exodus of Jews from Germany. In Poland, after the death of Józef Piłsudski, the tone of public life began to be set by the Camp of National Unity, which excluded the admission of Jews into its ranks, while promoting a trade war with entrepreneurs of Jewish origin and creating an atmosphere conducive to the introduction of a bench ghetto at Polish universities.

Meanwhile, pre-war Poland with a Jewish community of over 3.5 million (10 percent of the citizens of the Second Polish Republic) was the demographic center of the Jewish world in Europe. Only in the USA was the Jewish diaspora larger, and only in Palestine did Jews constitute a larger percentage of inhabitants than in Poland. The Zionist left accused Jabotinsky of supporting anti-Semites who want to get rid of Jews from Europe by calling for emigration.

The revisionist leader simply sensed the prevailing mood at the time. Only in the years 1937–1939, Jewish organizations helping to finance emigration to Palestine received 180,000. applications from Poland. Together with their families, the authors of these applications constituted an army of 700,000 potential emigrants whom Jabotinsky wanted to take out of Poland. The main problem, however, was that the British were terrified of Jewish colonization of Palestine, because it could trigger a revolt by Arabs who were ready to accept the Third Reich's protectorate.

Jews to Madagascar

– It is the duty of the Polish government to follow with attention and particular sympathy the development of a Jewish national headquarters in Palestine, realizing the eternal dream of the Jewish nation – said Dr. Tytus Komarnicki at the autumn session of the League of Nations in 1936, appealing on behalf of Poland to Great Britain not to close Mandatory Palestine for Jewish emigration. Since these efforts were doomed to failure, the Polish government demanded that the League of Nations grant Poland overseas territories that could be used as a colonization area. These efforts were noticed by the World Jewish Congress in Paris, which issued a statement in connection with Poland's participation in the League of Nations: "All efforts to open the borders of emigration countries should be welcomed and supported. Giving the issue of emigration an international character and presenting it to the bodies of the League may be of great importance.

The problem was that there was nowhere to emigrate to. In 1936, initial consent was obtained from France to purchase large areas of Madagascar for Polish settlement. A research expedition led by Major Mieczysław Lepecki was sent to the island. The results of the inspection were positive, but in the end it all came down to money. – Why do we need Madagascar? – Minister of Treasury Kwiatkowski asked Apoloniusz Zarychta when he applied for funds for the purchase of land.

- So that we all have somewhere to go - replied the official who, years later, already in Belo Horizonte, wrote the following words in one letter to Benjamin Gepner: "I remembered this conversation in September 1939 in Romania, when I met Kwiatkowski, resting in roadside ditch.

Among the Zionist left, the idea of colonizing Birobidzhan in the Siberian part of the USSR, as exotic as Madagascar, was very popular. Stalin promised Jews there a bright future in an internationalist paradise of workers and peasants. However, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs correctly recognized this propaganda trap and refused to issue return visas to those willing to go to the USSR. The dupes who were fooled by Stalin ended up in labor camps during the Great Purge of 1938.

The main destination of emigration was therefore Palestine, which received over 100,000 people until the outbreak of the Arab uprising in 1936. people from Poland. When the British closed the mandate territories, the only chance to get from Poland to Haifa or Tel Aviv was the smuggling route, the center of which was the Romanian port of Constanta. Illegal emigration, supported and co-financed by the Polish government, was carried out under the guise of tourism. The demand for "holidays" in Palestine was so great that the Polish State Railways maintained regular railway connections between Poland's main cities and Constanta. The liner "Polonia", owned by a Gdynia shipowner, whose kosher cuisine was adapted to the needs of passengers, provided a permanent connection between Constanta and Haifa. After boarding, many emigrants destroyed their Polish passports to avoid deportation in the event of a mistake. In 1937, the sea route was supplemented by LOT with an air connection with Haifa. Before the outbreak of the war, over 13,000 people were smuggled from Poland to Palestine under the supervision of the English. Before the Nazis entered Poland, Irgun fighters managed to smuggle thousands of weapons from Poland to Palestine via the Constanta route, which were very useful in the fight for Israel.

When Yaakov Meridor entered the warehouse at ul. in the spring of 1939. Ceglana 8 in Warsaw, he couldn't believe his eyes. – There were hundreds of boxes with weapons and ammunition, I wanted to kiss each of them – recalled an Irgun fighter and participant of the course in Andrychów years later. All this was intended for smuggling to Palestine, under the guise of helping the settlers. Rifles were shipped as blankets, machine guns as shoes, and ammunition as cement. The purchases were financed in part by a Romanian-French millionaire revisionist named Simon Marcovici. The Polish government contributed to the purchase of weapons.

Mauser from the Polish government

A letter from the head of the revisionists addressed to Zarychta has been preserved in the archives. "I treat the loan granted to our friends as a debt of honor which we will try to repay as soon as possible," wrote Żabotyński.

Collaboration with the Polish government made him new enemies among his compatriots, for whom collaboration with the "reactionary" authorities of Sanation Poland only served to justify anti-Semitic policy. The situation of the Polish authorities was also difficult, as they sought an anti-German alliance with London and tried at all costs to hide the fact of helping Jews fighting against British rule in Palestine.

To hide the origin of the weapons smuggled from Poland, the serial numbers and markings of the manufacturer of the weapons that were standard equipment of the Polish army were carefully obscured. 20,000 were collected in the warehouse on Ceglana. Mauser rifles and hundreds of machine guns, including a 200 Hotchkiss machine gun. The first batches of arsenal for the Irgun were sent via Romania and Bulgaria in the fall of 1938 and spring of 1939.

Abraham Stern, who oversaw the training of Irgun soldiers in Poland, returned to Palestine in the summer of 1939, when the British completely closed the mandate territories to emigration from Europe and introduced a ban on Jews buying land in Palestine. Stern was aware that for thousands of people threatened by the terror of the Third Reich in Europe, this decision was tantamount to a death sentence. The British blockade of Palestine pushed the Germans towards a criminal plan for the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe.

When World War II broke out, Vladimir Jabotinsky ordered Irgun troops in Palestine to tactically suspend fighting against the British. Stern disobeyed this order and founded his own organization, Lehi, which the British press quickly dubbed the Stern Gang. Commanding terrorism specialists trained in Poland, Stern spread fear among the British garrisons in Palestine. However, the British ruthlessly enforced the ban on accepting refugees. Ships with fugitives were turned back by the British fleet. Desperate Irgun fighters sank ships off the coast of Palestine, hoping that the survivors would manage to reach land, but the British caught them and sent them to an internment camp in Mauritius.

To save his countrymen from the hands of the Nazis, Stern did not hesitate to offer Germany an anti-British alliance in the Middle East. Stern's offer remained unanswered, because to the handful of Lehi fighters, the Germans preferred an alliance with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who aspired to the role of the spiritual leader of the Muslims. Amin al-Husseini, who was a mortal enemy of the Jewish colonization of Palestine, offered the Third Reich the services of thousands of Islamic janissaries from the Balkans to the republics of the USSR, and in the Middle East he was ready to unleash coups of pro-Nazi Arab military men from Iraq to Egypt.

Stern's failed attempts at collaboration with Hitler did not escape the attention of the English. Britain could not tolerate Jewish subversion in the Middle East while Rommel's Afrika Korps were conquering North Africa. In February 1942, British policeman Geoffrey Morton shot the defenseless Stern, who was arrested in an underground premises in Tel Aviv. However, his men did not fall to pieces. On July 22, 1942, further reinforcements from Poland arrived in Palestine in the form of thousands of Jewish soldiers, evacuated from Russia together with Anders' army.

II Palestinian Corps

There were many supporters of Jabotinsky in the ranks of the Polish army formed in the USSR. Thanks to the amnesty announced by Stalin for Poles, Anders' army included, among others: the pre-war head of Betar, Mieczysław Biegun, later known under the Hebrew name Menachem Begin. Anders had a problem with accepting Polish Jews into the II Corps, because the Russians recognized all inhabitants of Polish lands incorporated into the USSR after September 17, 1939, as Soviet citizens. They made an exception only for citizens of Polish nationality.

The Chekists rounded up Jews, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Tatars, Armenians and representatives of other nations from the Eastern Borderlands of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and returned them during the evacuation of Anders' army to Iran. On the other hand, life for those who managed to enlist in the army was not a bed of roses. There were anti-Semitic insults and fights. On November 14, 1941, General Sikorski himself intervened in this matter.

“I strictly forbid showing hostility to soldiers of the Mosaic faith in the form of harmful nicknames or violating human dignity. I will punish crimes in this regard severely. "Commander-in-Chief Sikorski"

One way to relieve the tension was the idea pushed by Jabotinsky's revisionists to establish a Jewish legion as part of the Polish army, commanded by Jewish officers. The plan was supported by some officers, led by General Tokarzewski, but the British, who planned to evacuate Anders' army to the Middle East, pressured Sikorski to abandon the project. His Majesty's Government, waging an insurrectionary war in Palestine against the graves of Abraham Stern, could not bear the thought that several thousand soldiers would end up in Jerusalem in compact units commanded by Zionist officers.

Regardless of the incidents, the appearance of the Polish army in Palestine was well received by the Jewish underground. Among the Poles stationed there, there were many people who had taken part in the training of Stern's soldiers in Poland before the war. Among them was Wiktor Drymmer, head of the consular department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs before the war, who, together with Apoloniusz Zarychta, organized courses for Irgun fighters. In Palestine, Drymmer, through Menachem Begin, quickly established contact with the Irgun and Stern's people, who advised Polish soldiers in British uniforms to mark their vehicles so that terrorists would not accidentally harm "their own" when attacking colonial forces.

Begin against Ben Gurion

In June 1948, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun, tried to implement an unrealized plan for a sea landing on Israel. A ship loaded with weapons and a thousand revisionist soldiers arrived in Tel Aviv from Europe. In honor of Vladimir Jabotinsky, who died in 1940, the ship was named under his underground nickname "Altalena". Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion demanded that the weapons be handed over to the Haganah, but the revisionists could not agree to this. After all, they were the ones who fought an unequal war against the British throughout the war.

Stern's cadres trained in Poland before the war, reinforced by deserters from Anders' army, spread terror among Arabs and the British. In 1944, two Stern Gang assassins killed British minister Lord Moyne in Cairo, who refused to help evacuate thousands of Hungarian Jews who were later gassed in Nazi concentration camps at the end of the war. It was then that the Irgun, led by Begin, returned to fight the British, merging with the Stern Gang. Mathematical formulas learned in the Beskid Mountains were useful in blowing up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on July 22, 1946, where the command of the British forces in Palestine was located. In March of the following year, assassination specialists trained by the Polish Dwójka tried methods of demolishing metal structures by blowing up the British refinery in Haifa. In April 1948, in retaliation for attacks on Jewish settlers, Jewish soldiers pacified the Arab village of Deir Jassin, killing 254 inhabitants. Their last feat was the killing in 1948 of Count Folke Bernadotte, who came to Palestine on behalf of the UN to mediate between the fighting Jews and Arabs. The fact that he saved over 11,000 people during the war did not help him.

Begin wanted to use the weapons and people brought on the "Altalena" to conquer Jerusalem, which, by the UN decision, was beyond Israel's borders. Ben-Gurion, the same one who called Jabotinsky Vladimir Hitler, feared that the revisionists would create an army independent of the government of the newly established Israel. When Begin refused to surrender his weapons, Ben-Gurion ordered his troops to open fire on the anchored ship. Hit by several shells, "Altalena" began to burn, and the ammunition stored in its holds threatened to explode. Irgun soldiers jumped into the water, but the Israeli army did not stop firing. A dozen or so of Begin's men were killed on the beach in Tel Aviv, and 200 more were arrested on Ben Gurion's orders. The incident pushed right-wing revisionists to the margins of political life in Israel for years. Ben-Gurion for a long time refused to allow the body of Vladimir Jabotinsky to be brought to Israel. – We need Jews alive, not dead, I see no point in multiplying graves in Israel – wrote the Prime Minister in 1959, justifying the refusal. Ultimately, the leader of the New Zionist Organization was buried on Mount Herzl in 1964. Menachem Begin had to wait until 1977 to become the country's prime minister. However, today the right-wing Likud party ruling Israel is the direct heir of the Zionists Vladimir Jabotinsky, a politician who had the determination and imagination to incur a debt of honor in Poland. A debt that determined the fate of the Jewish state in Palestine.

https://www.focus.pl/artykul/jak-polacy-stworzyli-izrael

 

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To save his countrymen from the hands of the Nazis, Stern did not hesitate to offer Germany an anti-British alliance in the Middle East.

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In April 1948, in retaliation for attacks on Jewish settlers, Jewish soldiers pacified the Arab village of Deir Jassin, killing 254 inhabitants. Their last feat was the killing in 1948 of Count Folke Bernadotte, who came to Palestine on behalf of the UN to mediate between the fighting Jews and Arabs. The fact that he saved over 11,000 people during the war did not help him.

Curious language.

Also, see Mussolini, the Zionist:

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Mussolini, who was known for his aversion to Nazi anti-Semitism, appreciated and respected the revisionist leader. – For Zionism to succeed, you need a Jewish state with a Jewish language and a Jewish flag, Duce said.

 

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8 minutes ago, sunday said:

Curious language.

Also, see Mussolini, the Zionist:

 

Autotranslated, our word "pacyfikacja" has clear connotations, it could e.g. be used for a situation where Wehrmacht or SS entered a Polish village to kill everyone. 

At the time, maybe, though Mussolini started implementing anti-Jewish laws in Italy even before the war, 1938 or so. Jews were also expelled from the fascist party around that time.

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1 hour ago, rmgill said:

Call it by the proper name, the 9th Circus Court of Appeals. 
 

They get overturned more often than any other cirtuit as I understand it. 

True. But in this case they would be correct. How can you allow one religion to post things, but not another?

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1 minute ago, 17thfabn said:

True. But in this case they would be correct. How can you allow one religion to post things, but not another?

My school my choice. 

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18 minutes ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

Louisiana's not in the 9th circuit.

Any federal court if they are following the law would have to grant equal access. A true conservative or liberal judge would see it that way.

When you open the door for Christian teachings you've opened the door for all.  

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2 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

My school my choice. 

So when the three moslem families in your school district say the same thing about wanting to post quotes from their evil false prophet you are okay with that?

"Their school, their choice "? You've opened the door for it. 

Give me a legal justification for why you are allowing the statements of one religion but not another?

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Just now, 17thfabn said:

Any federal court if they are following the law would have to grant equal access. A true conservative or liberal judge would see it that way.

When you open the door for Christian teachings you've opened the door for all.  

Well, you have already Wiccans and even Satanists among the chaplain corps of the US armed services.

One could make the point that the 1st Amendment of your constitution meant Christian, or even Theists, religions. Not invented ones like wicca.

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

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43 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Autotranslated, our word "pacyfikacja" has clear connotations, it could e.g. be used for a situation where Wehrmacht or SS entered a Polish village to kill everyone. 

Thanks. Another reason why automated translations are not the end of all.

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The ACLU doing what the ACLU does

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Let's see if they have anything to say about that Ambassadorial envoy on Anti-Semitism...

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Nope. I used to give to the ACLU back in the 90s and early 2000s. They lost their way somewhere and stopped actually caring about the civil rights. They're just another face on the same sort of folks who are part of TST

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3 hours ago, urbanoid said:

My school my choice. 

Perhaps, but you don't live in the United States so unless the Polish constitution has similar language to the US one, your school can post whatever it wants.  

US courts have not been kind to open displays of religion in public schools for several decades now.  If someone complains, and someone will, any US court would say the Commandments got to go.

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The ACLU has pushed it so far so as to almost be manifest that they want freedom FROM religion rather than freedom OF religion. 

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Bear in mind it's ALWAYS been the free men who make up the militia. This goes back to the British Yeomanry as well with similar laws in England centuries ago. 

There's been numerous examples of the Miltiai clause and the requirements. 

The key things are:
The militia is made up of citizens. 
The militia own their own firearms.
The extent of the powers of government over the Militia was organizing the militia and establishing how they should be armed, ie setting minimum standards for equipment. 

The lefts argument that the Militia is the National Guard is very curious because they're arguing that the 2nd amendment guarantees the right of the government to arm its own agents as a guarantee of the freedom of the nation. A very odd inversion given the context for when and why the 2nd amendment was written. 

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https://www.npr.org/2017/03/26/521567078/concerns-after-texas-school-opens-prayer-room-that-s-attracting-muslim-students

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/cambridge-public-schools-sacred-spaces-prayer-students-staff/

My own opinion is that people who want the 10C on the wall of public schools are complete effin' morons who crave defeat. Their self-identity is based on victimhood.

 

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https://www.courthousenews.com/school-district-does-not-have-to-display-blow-up-menorah-judge-rules/

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The judge said forcing the district to display the symbol would be a proactive act, which requires a higher legal bar than simply preventing an entity from doing something. 

“The currently planned event is a tree lighting, with community participation limited to decorating the tree,” Labson Freeman wrote in the 11-page order issued Friday. “An order requiring defendants to modify the event to allow Ms. Lyons to participate in a different way, by displaying a 6-foot inflatable menorah, would be a mandatory injunction.”

Labson Freeman said Lyons’ First Amendment argument was unlikely to succeed because the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the Christmas tree, unlike the menorah, is not a religious symbol. 

“Although Christmas trees once carried religious connotations, today they typify the secular celebration of Christmas,” Labson Freeman wrote in the order. 

Lyons argued that the Carmel Unified School District’s refusal to display the inflatable menorah during a traditional Christmas tree lighting ceremony at the school meant officials were favoring the Christian religion over Judaism.

Curious. Now a Christmas tree is a secular symbol...

Well, not my country, not my rules.

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So is Earth Day. Despite the clear pagan implications if you know ANYTHING about pagan concepts. Schools are DRIPPING in earth day materials. We're also in the middle of Pride Month. Is that not a religious celebration? It has the hallmarks of it. 

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