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3 hours ago, Murph said:

Again, you are correct.

Baloney.  He's an apologist for Imperial Japanese aggression.  This Wang government he keeps going on about, for instance,wasn't a real Chinese movement, but a puppet set up by and controlled by Japan.  Not even as legitimate as Vichy.

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On 9/16/2023 at 8:02 AM, Murph said:

Probably not, unless and until the big tech guys build factories here, and we no longer need Taiwan.  Problem is, other than Biden getting a payday, there is nothing in Ukraine that merits bumbling into WWIII.  You have to remember Putin is nuts.  And the Ukraine is a failed klepto state, of no use or need for the US.

While I understand the American public not wanting to get involved in yet another war. If you don't stop Putin in Ukraine, then you have to decide if it is worth stopping him in Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Bulgaria. At this point it's the best case for the US, there is no need for US soldiers on the ground, the majority of equipment is 2nd line or surplus to requirements. Pick your poison, because there is no place to hide anymore. 

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5 hours ago, R011 said:

Baloney.  He's an apologist for Imperial Japanese aggression.  This Wang government he keeps going on about, for instance,wasn't a real Chinese movement, but a puppet set up by and controlled by Japan.  Not even as legitimate as Vichy.

When I read about battles in the Second Sino Japanese War, I do have a sentiment that sides more on the Chinese for some battles. Some other battles its a sentiment of them having been foolishly fated into such a total war.  

But I'm rather tempted to speculate a what-if where the Nationalists Chinese that ran off to Chongqing merge into the Wang Regime and the war ending in 1940/41.. as oppose to the current historical record of the CCP winning it all, along with the Korean peninsula being cut in half. I think the possibility of the Wang Regime being worse then reality's outcome rather unlikely. 

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No cult of Mao and the great leap forward in the form of famine, mass murder and the 4 pests campaign. 
No Vietnam war. No Korean war. No Cambodian Holocaust. 
 

 

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2 hours ago, futon said:

But I'm rather tempted to speculate a what-if where the Nationalists Chinese that ran off to Chongqing merge into the Wang Regime 

You mean surrender to the Japanese.  Yeah, that was gonna happen.

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8 hours ago, Colin said:

While I understand the American public not wanting to get involved in yet another war. If you don't stop Putin in Ukraine, then you have to decide if it is worth stopping him in Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Bulgaria. At this point it's the best case for the US, there is no need for US soldiers on the ground, the majority of equipment is 2nd line or surplus to requirements. Pick your poison, because there is no place to hide anymore. 

Which value do those countries have for the US taxpayers? How did America survive the Cold War, without access to those important countries?

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6 hours ago, rmgill said:

No cult of Mao and the great leap forward in the form of famine, mass murder and the 4 pests campaign. 
No Vietnam war. No Korean war. No Cambodian Holocaust. 
 

 

What kind of slaughter do you think would have occurred at the hands of the Japanese? You heard of the rape of nanking Im sure. More to the point, the USSR and Japan were always going to come to blows. The only question is in which contest that eventually happened. It may be a Japan that won in China would have been excellently placed to help Nazi Germany in 1941, which would have been in nobodies interest.

 

 

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On 9/21/2023 at 2:53 PM, rmgill said:

Ok. Go over to your neighbor’s house. Read that to a group of their children. Go read that aloud in the street. Or at church. 
 

You do grasp that perhaps that may not be appropriate for discussion in some school settings? Especially if the school hasn’t gained consent from the parents for that particular discussion of homo eroticism concepts yet? 

Meanwhile, in Germany:

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Convicted paedophile bundles ten-year-old girl into his car outside a school and sexually abuses her after police ordered parents to take down posters warning he was in the areaA convicted paedophile snatched a ten-year-old girl outside her school and sexually abused her shortly after German police ordered parents to take down warnings he was hanging around the area.

Arthur Krahl, 61, bundled the girl into his Audi A4 just metres from her school gates in Neustadt, Rhineland-Palatinate State, Germany. He already has five convictions for child abuse.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12517803/Convicted-paedophile-bundles-ten-year-old-girl-car-outside-school-sexually-abuses-police-ordered-parents-posters-warning-area.html

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EXCLUSIVE - Pictured: Married father-of-two accused of breaking into German care home and raping girl, ten, after watching porn with 11-year-old boy who later strangled his sex attack victim
Daniel Troger, 25, is the man alleged to have raped young Lena in a care home in Wunsiedel, after he is said to have broken in through an open window
The 10-year-old girl was later strangled to death by 11-year-old boy at the home

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12491543/Pictured-Married-father-two-accused-raping-girl-Germany.html

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17 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

What kind of slaughter do you think would have occurred at the hands of the Japanese? You heard of the rape of nanking Im sure. More to the point, the USSR and Japan were always going to come to blows. The only question is in which contest that eventually happened. It may be a Japan that won in China would have been excellently placed to help Nazi Germany in 1941, which would have been in nobodies interest.

The point was the pivot point of history of the Kuomintang coming out on top over Mao. Japan and Russia already came to blows. Japan going at Russia alone with no other outside forces would have been very bad for Russia. 
 

If Japan had allied with Germany and they had left the rest of the Anglo American partners out of it, Russia would have had a very bad time. 

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On 9/22/2023 at 6:15 PM, Colin said:

While I understand the American public not wanting to get involved in yet another war. If you don't stop Putin in Ukraine, then you have to decide if it is worth stopping him in Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Bulgaria. At this point it's the best case for the US, there is no need for US soldiers on the ground, the majority of equipment is 2nd line or surplus to requirements. Pick your poison, because there is no place to hide anymore. 

Replace "American Public" with European public and governments. 

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11 hours ago, Rick said:

Replace "American Public" with European public and governments. 

It applies equally well to the European public and governments, as well as Canada

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1 hour ago, R011 said:

Europeana are spending about as much and giving as much or more equipment as the United States.

Are they supplying the Ukrainians, or are the powers that be,  emptying THEIR own stocks of ammo,spare parts and other supplies to send to Ukraine? It is worrying if our forces get hollowed out

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2 hours ago, NickM said:

Are they supplying the Ukrainians, or are the powers that be,  emptying THEIR own stocks of ammo,spare parts and other supplies to send to Ukraine? It is worrying if our forces get hollowed out

There's litte chance of hollowing out anyone's forces.  The US especially hsa enough surplus lying about the supply hundreds of tanks.  The Bradley IFV fleet is being replaced so not on;y can the ones in storage go, but ones that were going to go into storage or scrap.  Similarly, F-16s are being replaced in US and several foreign air forces with F-35s.    Ammunition orders and production capacitiies are increasing, which will be a good ting in the long run too.

The USAF is large enough that they could easily send a couple pof hundred combat aircraft to Ukraine - which is two or three times more than they could staff.  The Army could send nearly half it's current stocks and still have enough for training until it got replaced with newer and better on schedule. It won't be neeed sa much against China anyway.  What will be needed is modern airpower, whcich as I said the US has lots, and the USN which doesn't have much that can be useful to Ukraine.    

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16 hours ago, Rick said:

As well they should as it is their problem and in their backyard. 

And that is why only Europeans should pay for it. Sent the EU an invoice for every piece of US equipment delivered.

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We are paying for more than military gear. We are apparently paying for economic stimulus and basic government services in Ukraine. 
 

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/congress-approved-113-billion-aid-ukraine-2022

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