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Allegiance to Moscow became so ingrained in Western communism that it even survived the collaps of the USSR. As evidenced by the support Putin gets from orthodox Eurocommies, even though they will readily admit he's no fellow leftist. But apparently the tradition of the joint fight against the US, NATO, Western imperialism etc. beats everything.

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1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

The lower collage is actually from a march staged for the contemporary "The March of Time" reel series. The upper image is genuine though, and there was certainly an American anti-war movement criticizing support of the UK pre-Pearl Harbor.

Fair enough, and I thank you for pointing it out. There are plenty more examples online though.

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18 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Loooong, but worth it;

 

At 48:35 where he quotes Mao mentioning "democratic centralism" on the notion of taking opposites and presenting it as unified, they or Xi still do that by mentioning democracy as part of their "modern socialistic country" endeavor, as in Xi's speech in 2017: https://www.tanknet.org/index.php?/topic/42830-mandate-of-heaven/

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5 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Allegiance to Moscow became so ingrained in Western communism that it even survived the collaps of the USSR. As evidenced by the support Putin gets from orthodox Eurocommies, even though they will readily admit he's no fellow leftist. But apparently the tradition of the joint fight against the US, NATO, Western imperialism etc. beats everything.

Communism is a call to the return to political primitivism with absolutism in the State instead of the King, even if most monarchies were not really absolutist  . 

Its main fight is against liberal state with its separation of powers,  checks and balances and the individual person as the base unit of liberal state. It is those Liberal state characteristics that challenges Communism at idea level. Communism could perfectly live with Nazism at their side as an ideal since it is not a challenge at the level. A military challenge yes but not an ideological one.

Of course the Liberal state has not much to do with Anglosphere auto entitled liberals.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/18/portuguese-president-sexist-comments-womans-cleava/

A typical ignorant Telegraph article when they are out of their comfort zone.  They even put a Spanish twitter comment...

 

Leftist Isabel Moreira  who criticizes the President in article wrote while ago:     The Greek Finance Minister is Sexy. Damn*!

Translation do not work well, it was a cruder expression.

 

 

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....even though, as a leading oncologist at a London hospital recently revealed to me, doctors are already being forced to watch and re-watch 23 training videos, one of which, in his words, is “to try to bang into us that we are all born and bred racists and that we are full of unconscious bias”. He also told me that the first thing they are expected to ask patients is not “|where does it hurt?” but what personal pronouns they would like to be known by. He says he has been banned from asking patients where they are from – even though that often has clinical implications, with some conditions unique to some parts of the world.   

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/18/why-i-think-about-the-romans-every-seven-seconds/

 

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2 hours ago, lucklucky said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/18/portuguese-president-sexist-comments-womans-cleava/

A typical ignorant Telegraph article when they are out of their comfort zone.  They even put a Spanish twitter comment...

 

Leftist Isabel Moreira  who criticizes the President in article wrote while ago:     The Greek Finance Minister is Sexy. Damn*!

Translation do not work well, it was a cruder expression.

 

 

He should have sniffed her.

Biden is not criticized for that, after all.

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If that is the case we should applaud Japan, South Korea and Taiwan arming themselves to the teeth.  China is the enemy, not the Chinese people, but the Communist government.  

As for Churchill, his pre-WWII Cassandra might not be seen the same across the Atlantic?  He managed to play Roosevelt, although I will admit Roosevelt wanted a war to improve the economy which still sucked until war contracts started flowing.  

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Yeah, same as Russia really, where the actual opposition is far more radical and anti-Western than the collective Putin. Don't think that democratic China would be happy with the US on their doorstep, allied with Japan and Korea, preventing them from taking their 'rightful' place in the 'near abroad' and the world. I expect Japan and Korea would have been scared shitless of such kind of China too.

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The number of cases where democracies fight each other over some territorial dispute is rather limited. Of course, that's not to say that democracies always adopt a pacifist attitude towards non-democratic states when there's a conflict of interests. But the aggression threshold requires to convince the public that war is necessary, which is much easier to achieve when you don't actually depend on public opinion.

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A democratic (genuinely -- not CCP's definition of "democratic" for itself) China would really change a lot. A whole lot. 

I guess there could be two points of times where a transition to democracy is hypothetical without going deep into hypothetical lala land. 

The first would be as a result of the demobstrations around China but centered at Tianamen Square in the late 1980s to early 1990s. 

The other possible moment was 2006ish to 2012ish. 

But a democratic China means no friction between and HK. No 2014 umbrella movement. No 2018/19 prostest led by Joshua Wang and Agnes Chow. HK could have served as an example how to implement democratic features rather the other way around with the central govenment CCP salami slicing it down to nil. It may very well also mean greater acceptance of the KMT. There would be a much higher possibility of unification with Taiwan on terms of natural agreement and in a peaceful way. The threat of force to do that unification highly unlikely. People like Liu Xiaobo would be heard normally and free to give speeches. The very heavy hand in Xinjiang would be unlikely. Some of the development in Xinjiang may also be less, due to unacceptance of such high surveillance and massive dentention centers claring the path for infrastructure or industry development projects. Falun Gong would go its normal but compete more with local Chinese confucious values, Chinese bhuddism, or Chinese Christanity and Chinese Islam. This China may likely not be as economically strong but could be more resilient in different ways. This kind of China may be easier for the ROK to work with regarding DPRK. Maybe such a China would be less antagonistic with Senkaku islands, leaving it a dormant matter as it had been until progressively became a hot issue due to PRC steps in 2008, 2010, and 2012. Without that, no PRC withholding of rare material episode to Japan. That among no threat of Taiwan crisis, less support to DPRK (even if a democratic China would want a Korea buffer, they would be less accepting of the fat-Kim regime). Alk that gives Japanese businesses greater leeway and political support than Japanese security concerns. Okinawa base protests start making more sense. Why still keep them here if people aren't worried about China? There's so much to assess what changes abd how that would alter realites timeline with the snowball effect of changes.

Maybe not, sure, thus instead  maybe a weird Yuan Shikai sort democratic China that still acts old style. Take back Mongolia, etc. Who knows. But surely not guranteed to be as problematic as the PRC. 

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1 hour ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Hoo boy. IMBY

 

 

 

Its weird how folks like that never make Islam the centerpiece of this sort of thing...

 

 

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Name on democratic country with personal freedoms still fully intact. The woke western pseudo-democracies are closer to China than to a real democracy. Call a woman a women, loose your job. You are against imigration, you Racist! Supporting Christian values, yoiu bigot!

The social and economic pressure on non-conforming behaviour is just as bad as in China. China is not an enemy, the woke left is the enemy of the free people.

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17 hours ago, Murph said:

If that is the case we should applaud Japan, South Korea and Taiwan arming themselves to the teeth.  China is the enemy, not the Chinese people, but the Communist government.  

As for Churchill, his pre-WWII Cassandra might not be seen the same across the Atlantic?  He managed to play Roosevelt, although I will admit Roosevelt wanted a war to improve the economy which still sucked until war contracts started flowing.  

You see, this is where you Americans go wrong. You see that as playing Roosevelt. We British would call it pointing out the patently obviously of a darkening and increasingly hostile world to Americans who prefered to stick their fingers in their ears and wouldnt listen until it was almost too late.

Roosvelt didnt want a war. Sometimes wars choose you whether you want them or not. You arent such masters of your own fate that you can always choose.  Churchill or a Ukrainian could tell you that.

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