Der Zeitgeist Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) Until you denounce the LW Radical madness that is currently taking place across our nation, you're absolutely in the Marxist camp. Biden I forgive, he is not of sound mind, but every NeverTrump Republican who supports the Democratic candidate, and every single person who is outright supporting, or in silence is condoning the madness, you are at the very least my political enemy. The lines were drawn, you and your ilk drew them. When are you starting with the TN-UAC committee hearings? If you want to defeat the red menace on TankNet, I wouldn't wait until November. Edited June 24, 2020 by Der Zeitgeist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 One might ask, if America is a seething caldron of racism, why must people constantly manufacture fake hate crimes? Are you trying to refer to the recent incident with NASCAR? No one manufactured anything there. A crewmember not from Bubba Watson's team, probably on edge given current events, reported something (probably following the adage of better safe than sorry). NASCAR called in the FBI. A quick investigation shows nothing was there. That announcement was made and it's been disseminated as such. I'm also not seeing anyone not on the fringes call this country a 'seething caldron [sic] of racism'. There are lingering issues in some corners of the country. Some accusations of racism are better attributed to issues of being poor (with Blacks being the poorest ethnicity in the country). In short we're still in search of a more perfect Union. Just because current events are encouraging some of the crazies on the Left to come forward doesn't mean we should dismiss the realities that still need to be addressed. You completely missed a step, that of Bubba Wallace going off on social media about the "noose." You have the entire Democratic Party machine, media, and followers talking about overwhelming systemic racism. People across the country are losing their jobs, being denied promotion, and at the very least bullied into silenced for questioning the LW orthodoxy you say exists only on the fringe. The other day NPR shows video of a car running over a "protester" and calls that driver a racist RW extremist. Facts are a bitch, the driver was a black female who was being threatened by a "peaceful" protester aiming a pistol at her head whereupon she drove her car as quickly as possible out of danger. But yeah, the narrative must not be challenged. Are you being purposely obtuse, trolling, or are just a useful idiot for the left? What are these "realities" that must be addressed? He also did TV interviews where he insulted NASCAR fans and implied they were dumbass yokels, not to mention wearing BLM T-shirts. I'm sorry but BLM is not a peaceful organization that is compatible with the tenets of our Republic no matter how much gas lighting people try to pull on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I think what a lot of people are missing is that "traditional" conservatism (at least conservatism from 1945 on -- free trade, interventionist foreign policy, strong emphasis on morality etc.) is completely dead. Trump proved that in the 2016 Primaries, when he wiped the floor with a huge field of very qualified candidates, most of whom were fairly traditional. His campaign was an explicit rejection of W's tenure and it resonated very strongly with Republican voters. Trump is probably the least "conservative" Republican President ever. The current right vs left fight is just identitarian stuff, it's not based on actual philosophies or anything -- hell, Trump probably could have run as a Democrat on basically his exact same platform. Thanks for defining real conservatism to the rest of us. Most people on this forum were pro-Bush's policies until the moment Trump got elected. Don't tell me that's not identity politics. I'm already looking forward to every Trump supporter on this forum suddenly doing a 180 and renouncing their prior leanings the minute this guy is out office. Most people on this forum were pro-Bush's policies until the moment Trump got elected. Don't tell me that's not identity politics. You really don't remember all the struggles people had with Bush on this forum over the last 10 years and even during his presidency? Not the usual Chimpy McBushhitler types but the conservatives on this site, myself included? The thing I remember most is the collective circle jerk of you guys when the tanks started rolling into Iraq and the open contempt for anyone criticising the invasion back then. There's a reason most of the French members left back then. Of course, almost no one here (except Stuart, of all people) seems to admit their support for the Iraq war nowadays. I expect the same thing will be happening with their support for Trump. Maybe because some the criticism was dishonest. It was not a disagreement over the less worse option. It was made on: "war for oil" the "hyperpower" etc.I continue my support for Iraq War. I think it was a fundamental success against Terrorism more than i expected into drawing Al Qaeda to combat and showing what it was to the Arab. Muslim world.Contrary to most in Europe and USA the Arabs can go by trough layers of BBC, CNN, indoctrinated Marxist narrative propaganda and know who was putting the bombs in the markets, bridges and mosques. When Bin Laden was killed most Islamic world expelled a sigh of relief. there was no relevant protests, not riots. The inoculation worked despite the best efforts of the Media. The invasion certainly was not a success in terms of civilization: USA at that time already did not much believed in itself and was sabotaged at every instance by US and European media manipulating the narrative saying that the violence was due to Iraq resistance to US invasion when the fact was that former regime allied with Al Qaeda to bomb every market, bridge and mosque they could. From that remains the elections and little else. The Iraq Government recently killed hundreds(thousand?) of people in protests recently and no one cared. Iraq Lives do Not Matter unless they can be presented as "capitalists" doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Until you denounce the LW Radical madness that is currently taking place across our nation, you're absolutely in the Marxist camp. Biden I forgive, he is not of sound mind, but every NeverTrump Republican who supports the Democratic candidate, and every single person who is outright supporting, or in silence is condoning the madness, you are at the very least my political enemy. The lines were drawn, you and your ilk drew them. When are you starting with the TN-UAC committee hearings? If you want to defeat the red menace on TankNet, I wouldn't wait until November. So for you Marxists are not the biggest threat to Civilization today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) Until you denounce the LW Radical madness that is currently taking place across our nation, you're absolutely in the Marxist camp. Biden I forgive, he is not of sound mind, but every NeverTrump Republican who supports the Democratic candidate, and every single person who is outright supporting, or in silence is condoning the madness, you are at the very least my political enemy. The lines were drawn, you and your ilk drew them. When are you starting with the TN-UAC committee hearings? If you want to defeat the red menace on TankNet, I wouldn't wait until November. So for you Marxists are not the biggest threat to Civilization today? The last real Marxists I saw were embittered and frail old men gathering in East Berlin for some silly DDR anniversary, LARPing as NVA soldiers. So the answer is no. Edited June 24, 2020 by Der Zeitgeist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burncycle360 Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 Until you denounce the LW Radical madness that is currently taking place across our nation, you're absolutely in the Marxist camp. Biden I forgive, he is not of sound mind, but every NeverTrump Republican who supports the Democratic candidate, and every single person who is outright supporting, or in silence is condoning the madness, you are at the very least my political enemy. The lines were drawn, you and your ilk drew them. When are you starting with the TN-UAC committee hearings? If you want to defeat the red menace on TankNet, I wouldn't wait until November. So for you Marxists are not the biggest threat to Civilization today? The last real Marxists I saw were embittered and frail old men gathering in East Berlin for some silly DDR anniversary, LARPing as NVA soldiers. So the answer is no. Never thought it'd get even this far, because the hypocrisy and double standards are so blatant that it's bizarre that it gained such a foothold in our institutions. I don't have a problem with crazy people having those opinions... I just assume they'd get laughed out of the court of public opinion after anything more than a superficial cursory glance. Before you know it.... they came for Abe Lincolns statue... It sneaks up on ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burncycle360 Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) My concern with Trump is that he's fickle. He was a democrat at one time, saw an opportunity and turned into a de facto independent populist running as a republican, disrupting the established GOP order.He knows how to read a crowd and pander to it get what he wants, but his track record with his companies indicate his employees are sacrifices he is willing to make. The ban on bump stocks and his comments ("take the guns first, due process second") makes me wonder if his rhetoric truly reflects his values, or if he's just telling us what he knows we want to hear and once he doesn't have to worry about reelection he'll horse trade them away in a heartbeat if it closes a deal he's more interested in making.The alternative is worse, but I'm still not convinced he's on anybody's side but his own. Time will tell, if he's reelected the proof will be in the pudding. Edited June 24, 2020 by Burncycle360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasidas Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 My concern with Trump is that he's fickle. He was a democrat at one time, saw an opportunity and turned into a de facto independent populist running as a republican, disrupting the established GOP order. He knows how to read a crowd and pander to it get what he wants, but his track record with his companies indicate his employees are sacrifices he is willing to make. The ban on bump stocks and his comments ("take the guns first, due process second") makes me wonder if his rhetoric truly reflects his values, or if he's just telling us what he knows we want to hear and once he doesn't have to worry about reelection he'll horse trade them away in a heartbeat if it closes a deal he's more interested in making. The alternative is worse, but I'm still not convinced he's on anybody's side but his own. Time will tell, if he's reelected the proof will be in the pudding.He is fickle, but the problem is, he's going down a river that is a one way trip. I think he was aware that as soon as he took the oath of office, he was a prisoner of his own making, since populism has two sides of the same coin in this instance. What's the likelihood in the not far off future, he and his family won't in some way be paying for him standing in front of the always offended mob, and flipping them the bird for five years straight? All those dental bills from Liberals grinding their molars away are gonna come due some day, and no amount of waffling is going to lessen the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Calls for redesign of royal honour over 'offensive' imagePetition says image of St Michael standing on Satan is reminiscent of George Floyd killing Campaigners are calling for the redesign of one of Britain’s highest honours personally bestowed by the Queen because they say its badge resembles a depiction of a white angel standing on the neck of a chained black man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Until you denounce the LW Radical madness that is currently taking place across our nation, you're absolutely in the Marxist camp. Biden I forgive, he is not of sound mind, but every NeverTrump Republican who supports the Democratic candidate, and every single person who is outright supporting, or in silence is condoning the madness, you are at the very least my political enemy. The lines were drawn, you and your ilk drew them. When are you starting with the TN-UAC committee hearings? If you want to defeat the red menace on TankNet, I wouldn't wait until November. So for you Marxists are not the biggest threat to Civilization today? The last real Marxists I saw were embittered and frail old men gathering in East Berlin for some silly DDR anniversary, LARPing as NVA soldiers. So the answer is no. You felt the need to tag them as "real" Marxists. As if Marxism is something that cannot evolve while preserving its tenets. What about Neo-Marxism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Calls for redesign of royal honour over 'offensive' imagePetition says image of St Michael standing on Satan is reminiscent of George Floyd killing Campaigners are calling for the redesign of one of Britains highest honours personally bestowed by the Queen because they say its badge resembles a depiction of a white angel standing on the neck of a chained black man. 1980-something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) Until you denounce the LW Radical madness that is currently taking place across our nation, you're absolutely in the Marxist camp. Biden I forgive, he is not of sound mind, but every NeverTrump Republican who supports the Democratic candidate, and every single person who is outright supporting, or in silence is condoning the madness, you are at the very least my political enemy. The lines were drawn, you and your ilk drew them. When are you starting with the TN-UAC committee hearings? If you want to defeat the red menace on TankNet, I wouldn't wait until November. So for you Marxists are not the biggest threat to Civilization today? The last real Marxists I saw were embittered and frail old men gathering in East Berlin for some silly DDR anniversary, LARPing as NVA soldiers. So the answer is no. You felt the need to tag them as "real" Marxists. As if Marxism is something that cannot evolve while preserving its tenets. What about Neo-Marxism? Yes, what about it? The biggest threat to civilization today? No. Edited June 24, 2020 by Der Zeitgeist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Donald's anti-establishment fickleness was well known, and a component of what got him elected in the first place. When presented with establishment rings within his own party to kiss, he released cell phone numbers. The fickleness has helped him survive in public life, and he is going to need it again. I would not exactly count him out, as that may be the only thing left that actually motivates him anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 it looks like Jussi Smollet, I mean Bubba Wallace is backtracking now.I wonder when he will be banned from Nascar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Waiting for the media bubble to burst https://youtu.be/6U6Qi1QnNL8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Man Horrified As Kids Give Him Noose For Father's Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitflegal Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 My concern with Trump is that he's fickle. He was a democrat at one time, saw an opportunity and turned into a de facto independent populist running as a republican, disrupting the established GOP order. He knows how to read a crowd and pander to it get what he wants, but his track record with his companies indicate his employees are sacrifices he is willing to make. The ban on bump stocks and his comments ("take the guns first, due process second") makes me wonder if his rhetoric truly reflects his values, or if he's just telling us what he knows we want to hear and once he doesn't have to worry about reelection he'll horse trade them away in a heartbeat if it closes a deal he's more interested in making. The alternative is worse, but I'm still not convinced he's on anybody's side but his own. Time will tell, if he's reelected the proof will be in the pudding.He is fickle, but the problem is, he's going down a river that is a one way trip. I think he was aware that as soon as he took the oath of office, he was a prisoner of his own making, since populism has two sides of the same coin in this instance. What's the likelihood in the not far off future, he and his family won't in some way be paying for him standing in front of the always offended mob, and flipping them the bird for five years straight? All those dental bills from Liberals grinding their molars away are gonna come due some day, and no amount of waffling is going to lessen the bill. On the one hand, I have felt pity for Trump because of the onslaught he has undergone and have excused much of his poor behavior as being due to being relentlessly attacked by almost all of the tentpoles of our culture and trying to govern when his employee base is actively waging war against him. Never mind that many of the bad hiring decisions he made (in retrospect) are because the experienced people who would normally staff an administration wanted nothing to do with him so he had to bring in outsiders and hangers on (not exonerating him, man he was attracted to some real dirt bags). However I also believe he is socially very liberal with a passion for business owners and such, an empathy for people screwed by globalization and a vague love for his country. I very much believe that if the Democrats had gotten over their hatred of him and aggressively courted him he would have been a Clinton Democrat in office and might have eve switched parties. And at this point I think he knows that at the end of this the left will aggressively try and get him and his close family put in jail on general principals.It will make his fight for re-election have a very personal dimension for him. Seriously, does anyone think that a Biden DOJ will not be looking from day one to find something to indict him for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burncycle360 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 On the one hand, I have felt pity for Trump because of the onslaught he has undergone and have excused much of his poor behavior as being due to being relentlessly attacked by almost all of the tentpoles of our culture and trying to govern when his employee base is actively waging war against him. He has certainly exposed just how thin the veneer of the self righteous really was, and how rabid the tolerant can be. I would say perhaps the greatest accomplishment of his administration and most important legacy -- getting them to drop the facade and show who they really are, and redpilling more people than perhaps anyone who came before him. Unfortunately they've also been able to use him to rally around, coordinating in unprecedented ways mainstream media, academia, pop culture, hollywood and tech companies (including social media)... I'm afraid exposing them simply won't be enough to stem the tide of believers that the radical left are producing at an accelerating pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Man Horrified As Kids Give Him Noose For Father's Day ROTFLMAO! Send one to both Jussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Necktie, noose, what is a difference? One is a symbol of corporate slavery, one is a symbol of lynch mobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16104/antifa-history https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16149/antifa-history-part-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 They're not just coming for the hard scientists, it's already happening: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-the-activists-are-now-stalking-the-hard-scientists/wcm/e6e84649-4a24-4ab7-8462-47580d115e25/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 They're not just coming for the hard scientists, it's already happening: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-the-activists-are-now-stalking-the-hard-scientists/wcm/e6e84649-4a24-4ab7-8462-47580d115e25/amp/ Academics know what they want, and deserve to get it, good and hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 'I Think We've Found All The Institutions Founded By Racists And We Can Just Stop Looking For Them Now,' Says Planned Parenthood Spokesperson Nervously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 They're not just coming for the hard scientists, it's already happening: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-the-activists-are-now-stalking-the-hard-scientists/wcm/e6e84649-4a24-4ab7-8462-47580d115e25/amp/We don't need any Jewish White science! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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