Culture Wars

[Jeff]

Just a reminder, it's not just a Republican/Democrat thing.

 

Congress Members To Wear Barcodes So Lobbyists Can Scan Prices, Self-Checkout

 

[DKTanker]

And yet NASCAR and the drivers and crews all prostrated themselves before Bubba Wallace and the BLM nuts when people were saying this might be Jussie Smollet 2.0. People need to start telling these people to go frack themselves or this will never stop.

I think it quite possible that NASCAR will suffer much more than the NFL did with the kneel downs, I don't know how NASCAR easily recovers from this attack upon the majority of its customer base. As for Bubba Wallace, I'm sure more than a few drivers will be more than a little pissed off that they were played.

[Ivanhoe]

Just a reminder, it's not just a Republican/Democrat thing.

 

Congress Members To Wear Barcodes So Lobbyists Can Scan Prices, Self-Checkout

lol!

[Brian Kennedy]

I think what a lot of people are missing is that "traditional" conservatism (at least conservatism from 1945 on -- free trade, interventionist foreign policy, strong emphasis on morality etc.) is completely dead. Trump proved that in the 2016 Primaries, when he wiped the floor with a huge field of very qualified candidates, most of whom were fairly traditional. His campaign was an explicit rejection of W's tenure and it resonated very strongly with Republican voters. Trump is probably the least "conservative" Republican President ever. The current right vs left fight is just identitarian stuff, it's not based on actual philosophies or anything -- hell, Trump probably could have run as a Democrat on basically his exact same platform.

[Jeff]

Who cares, the damage to an American institution is already done, mission accomplished. This is why you never, ever, bow to the mob.

 

FBI: No hate crime committed in NASCAR incident, noose may have been in Bubba Wallace's stall since October

[Jeff]

I think what a lot of people are missing is that "traditional" conservatism (at least conservatism from 1945 on -- free trade, interventionist foreign policy, strong emphasis on morality etc.) is completely dead. Trump proved that in the 2016 Primaries, when he wiped the floor with a huge field of very qualified candidates, most of whom were fairly traditional. His campaign was an explicit rejection of W's tenure and it resonated very strongly with Republican voters. Trump is probably the least "conservative" Republican President ever. The current right vs left fight is just identitarian stuff, it's not based on actual philosophies or anything -- hell, Trump probably could have run as a Democrat on basically his exact same platform.

 

Thanks for defining real conservatism to the rest of us.

[Jeff]

One might ask, if America is a seething caldron of racism, why must people constantly manufacture fake hate crimes?

[Nobu]

Just in case anyone may have forgotten, her name was Tessa Majors.

[Brian Kennedy]

 

I think what a lot of people are missing is that "traditional" conservatism (at least conservatism from 1945 on -- free trade, interventionist foreign policy, strong emphasis on morality etc.) is completely dead. Trump proved that in the 2016 Primaries, when he wiped the floor with a huge field of very qualified candidates, most of whom were fairly traditional. His campaign was an explicit rejection of W's tenure and it resonated very strongly with Republican voters. Trump is probably the least "conservative" Republican President ever. The current right vs left fight is just identitarian stuff, it's not based on actual philosophies or anything -- hell, Trump probably could have run as a Democrat on basically his exact same platform.

 

Thanks for defining real conservatism to the rest of us.

 

 

Most people on this forum were pro-Bush's policies until the moment Trump got elected. Don't tell me that's not identity politics.

Edited June 23, 2020 by Brian Kennedy

[Brian Kennedy]

And just to forestall DKTanker calling me a Commie again or something, this sh*t is completely ridiculous. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/white-fragility-racism-racism-progressive-progressphiles-david-shor.html

 

 

 

For those of you who don’t realize what makes the tweet problematic, try not to overanalyze the statistical validity of the research paper and think about the broader impact it will have if people perceive it to be true.

[R011]

I think what a lot of people are missing is that "traditional" conservatism (at least conservatism from 1945 on -- free trade, interventionist foreign policy, strong emphasis on morality etc.) is completely dead. Trump proved that in the 2016 Primaries, when he wiped the floor with a huge field of very qualified candidates, most of whom were fairly traditional. His campaign was an explicit rejection of W's tenure and it resonated very strongly with Republican voters. Trump is probably the least "conservative" Republican President ever. The current right vs left fight is just identitarian stuff, it's not based on actual philosophies or anything -- hell, Trump probably could have run as a Democrat on basically his exact same platform.

Democrats opposed illegal immigration and supported appointing conservatives to the Federal courts?

[Brian Kennedy]

 

I think what a lot of people are missing is that "traditional" conservatism (at least conservatism from 1945 on -- free trade, interventionist foreign policy, strong emphasis on morality etc.) is completely dead. Trump proved that in the 2016 Primaries, when he wiped the floor with a huge field of very qualified candidates, most of whom were fairly traditional. His campaign was an explicit rejection of W's tenure and it resonated very strongly with Republican voters. Trump is probably the least "conservative" Republican President ever. The current right vs left fight is just identitarian stuff, it's not based on actual philosophies or anything -- hell, Trump probably could have run as a Democrat on basically his exact same platform.

Democrats opposed illegal immigration and supported appointing conservatives to the Federal courts?

 

 

Those are certainly exceptions. Democrats also (eventually) opposed the Iraq War, have been supportive of massive increases in government spending and have had rather more libertarian personal lives.

[DKTanker]

 

And just to forestall DKTanker calling me a Commie again or something, this sh*t is completely ridiculous. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/white-fragility-racism-racism-progressive-progressphiles-david-shor.html

 

 

 

For those of you who don’t realize what makes the tweet problematic, try not to overanalyze the statistical validity of the research paper and think about the broader impact it will have if people perceive it to be true.

 

 

Until you denounce the LW Radical madness that is currently taking place across our nation, you're absolutely in the Marxist camp. Biden I forgive, he is not of sound mind, but every NeverTrump Republican who supports the Democratic candidate, and every single person who is outright supporting, or in silence is condoning the madness, you are at the very least my political enemy. The lines were drawn, you and your ilk drew them.

Edited June 23, 2020 by DKTanker

[R011]

 

 

 

I think what a lot of people are missing is that "traditional" conservatism (at least conservatism from 1945 on -- free trade, interventionist foreign policy, strong emphasis on morality etc.) is completely dead. Trump proved that in the 2016 Primaries, when he wiped the floor with a huge field of very qualified candidates, most of whom were fairly traditional. His campaign was an explicit rejection of W's tenure and it resonated very strongly with Republican voters. Trump is probably the least "conservative" Republican President ever. The current right vs left fight is just identitarian stuff, it's not based on actual philosophies or anything -- hell, Trump probably could have run as a Democrat on basically his exact same platform.

Democrats opposed illegal immigration and supported appointing conservatives to the Federal courts?

Those are certainly exceptions. Democrats also (eventually) opposed the Iraq War, have been supportive of massive increases in government spending and have had rather more libertarian personal lives.

Those two things are rather major differences, don't you think? Certainly the Democrats have thought so given the effort they've expended to oppose his policies regarding them.

[Brian Kennedy]

 

 

 

 

And just to forestall DKTanker calling me a Commie again or something, this sh*t is completely ridiculous. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/white-fragility-racism-racism-progressive-progressphiles-david-shor.html

 

 

For those of you who dont realize what makes the tweet problematic, try not to overanalyze the statistical validity of the research paper and think about the broader impact it will have if people perceive it to be true.

Until you denounce the LW Radical madness that is currently taking place across our nation, you're absolutely in the Marxist camp. Biden I forgive, he is not of sound mind, but every NeverTrump Republican who supports the Democratic candidate, and every single person who is outright supporting, or in silence is condoning the madness, you are at the very least my political enemy. The lines were drawn, you and your ilk drew them.

I was about to call you my political enemy as well but I seriously have no idea where the fuck you stand except for hating people.

[Jeff]

 

 

I think what a lot of people are missing is that "traditional" conservatism (at least conservatism from 1945 on -- free trade, interventionist foreign policy, strong emphasis on morality etc.) is completely dead. Trump proved that in the 2016 Primaries, when he wiped the floor with a huge field of very qualified candidates, most of whom were fairly traditional. His campaign was an explicit rejection of W's tenure and it resonated very strongly with Republican voters. Trump is probably the least "conservative" Republican President ever. The current right vs left fight is just identitarian stuff, it's not based on actual philosophies or anything -- hell, Trump probably could have run as a Democrat on basically his exact same platform.

 

Thanks for defining real conservatism to the rest of us.

 

 

Most people on this forum were pro-Bush's policies until the moment Trump got elected. Don't tell me that's not identity politics.

 

 

You really don't remember all the struggles people had with Bush on this forum over the last 10 years and even during his presidency? Not the usual Chimpy McBushhitler types but the conservatives on this site, myself included?

[Jeff]

 

 

And just to forestall DKTanker calling me a Commie again or something, this sh*t is completely ridiculous. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/white-fragility-racism-racism-progressive-progressphiles-david-shor.html

 

 

 

For those of you who don’t realize what makes the tweet problematic, try not to overanalyze the statistical validity of the research paper and think about the broader impact it will have if people perceive it to be true.

 

 

Until you denounce the LW Radical madness that is currently taking place across our nation, you're absolutely in the Marxist camp. Biden I forgive, he is not of sound mind, but every NeverTrump Republican who supports the Democratic candidate, and every single person who is outright supporting, or in silence is condoning the madness, you are at the very least my political enemy. The lines were drawn, you and your ilk drew them.

 

 

We didn't start the political violence and we aren't furthering it by silence and even direct support. The Left is claiming "silence is consent", now they can eat that rule. The Left wins by our forbearance. If we were like them, there'd be a hell of a lot of pasty white people in black clothing lying dead in the street right now.

[Skywalkre]

One might ask, if America is a seething caldron of racism, why must people constantly manufacture fake hate crimes?

 

Are you trying to refer to the recent incident with NASCAR? No one manufactured anything there. A crewmember not from Bubba Watson's team, probably on edge given current events, reported something (probably following the adage of better safe than sorry). NASCAR called in the FBI. A quick investigation shows nothing was there. That announcement was made and it's been disseminated as such.

 

I'm also not seeing anyone not on the fringes call this country a 'seething caldron [sic] of racism'. There are lingering issues in some corners of the country. Some accusations of racism are better attributed to issues of being poor (with Blacks being the poorest ethnicity in the country).

 

In short we're still in search of a more perfect Union. Just because current events are encouraging some of the crazies on the Left to come forward doesn't mean we should dismiss the realities that still need to be addressed.

[Stargrunt6]

With all the statues being pulled down, when will the left go after Hamilton? The idea of a musical glorifying slaveowners can't sit well with them. What will it be, hypocrisy or the lupus flareup from ideological purity?

[lucklucky]

 

One might ask, if America is a seething caldron of racism, why must people constantly manufacture fake hate crimes?

 

Are you trying to refer to the recent incident with NASCAR? No one manufactured anything there. A crewmember not from Bubba Watson's team, probably on edge given current events, reported something (probably following the adage of better safe than sorry). NASCAR called in the FBI. A quick investigation shows nothing was there. That announcement was made and it's been disseminated as such.

 

I'm also not seeing anyone not on the fringes call this country a 'seething caldron [sic] of racism'. There are lingering issues in some corners of the country. Some accusations of racism are better attributed to issues of being poor (with Blacks being the poorest ethnicity in the country).

 

In short we're still in search of a more perfect Union. Just because current events are encouraging some of the crazies on the Left to come forward doesn't mean we should dismiss the realities that still need to be addressed.

 

The blindness is outstanding... So you still did not understand the Democracy in West is finished? Do you think any conservative in any major European country(or in US) that wins an election can pass conservative laws and enforce them?

 

Don't you understand the message in front of your eyes?

You will not be allowed to Govern even if you win the elections. There will be riots, protests and violence.

 

A photo of you in a Trump rally(or any other candidate hated by the Left) will mean you are out of your job. When in the future your ISP puts you in an index by political opinion, your water and electricity provider making you sign a political declaration don't tell me you will be surprised.

The whole Government apparatus is in hands of the Left plus the Education, Media, Arts.

Edited June 24, 2020 by lucklucky

[DKTanker]

 

One might ask, if America is a seething caldron of racism, why must people constantly manufacture fake hate crimes?

 

Are you trying to refer to the recent incident with NASCAR? No one manufactured anything there. A crewmember not from Bubba Watson's team, probably on edge given current events, reported something (probably following the adage of better safe than sorry). NASCAR called in the FBI. A quick investigation shows nothing was there. That announcement was made and it's been disseminated as such.

 

I'm also not seeing anyone not on the fringes call this country a 'seething caldron [sic] of racism'. There are lingering issues in some corners of the country. Some accusations of racism are better attributed to issues of being poor (with Blacks being the poorest ethnicity in the country).

 

In short we're still in search of a more perfect Union. Just because current events are encouraging some of the crazies on the Left to come forward doesn't mean we should dismiss the realities that still need to be addressed.

 

You completely missed a step, that of Bubba Wallace going off on social media about the "noose."

 

You have the entire Democratic Party machine, media, and followers talking about overwhelming systemic racism. People across the country are losing their jobs, being denied promotion, and at the very least bullied into silenced for questioning the LW orthodoxy you say exists only on the fringe. The other day NPR shows video of a car running over a "protester" and calls that driver a racist RW extremist. Facts are a bitch, the driver was a black female who was being threatened by a "peaceful" protester aiming a pistol at her head whereupon she drove her car as quickly as possible out of danger. But yeah, the narrative must not be challenged. Are you being purposely obtuse, trolling, or are just a useful idiot for the left?

 

What are these "realities" that must be addressed?

Edited June 24, 2020 by DKTanker

[Stargrunt6]

Quillete knocking it out of the park, as usual.

 

On the Second American Revolution:

 

https://quillette.com/2020/06/22/toward-a-new-cultural-nationalism/

[Brasidas]

 

Most people on this forum were pro-Bush's policies until the moment Trump got elected. Don't tell me that's not identity politics.

 

 

Well, if establishment Republicans are going to keep the lobbyists and special interests as their primary clients instead of voters, why would anyone in their right mind think Republicans are classical liberals anymore? They've been so busy appeasing the elite in DC, they have completely forgotten who votes them into office. If I had stayed in the party, all the GOP could guarantee me was a fundraising phonecall a quarter with obligatory scare tactics. The nail in the coffin for establishment GOP was when McCain blocked the repeal of Obamacare.

 

However, since Trump has been in office and as repugnant as he is on a personal level, he does stand up and guarantee my freedoms and personal property rights to a far higher degree for longer than any cheese eating Dem rat or establishment Republican ever would. So no, contrary to the above, it's not identity politics, it is survival of my freedoms I've grown accustomed to my whole life politics.

[Murph]

 

 

Most people on this forum were pro-Bush's policies until the moment Trump got elected. Don't tell me that's not identity politics.

 

 

Well, if establishment Republicans are going to keep the lobbyists and special interests as their primary clients instead of voters, why would anyone in their right mind think Republicans are classical liberals anymore? They've been so busy appeasing the elite in DC, they have completely forgotten who votes them into office. If I had stayed in the party, all the GOP could guarantee me was a fundraising phonecall a quarter with obligatory scare tactics. The nail in the coffin for establishment GOP was when McCain blocked the repeal of Obamacare.

 

However, since Trump has been in office and as repugnant as he is on a personal level, he does stand up and guarantee my freedoms and personal property rights to a far higher degree for longer than any cheese eating Dem rat or establishment Republican ever would. So no, contrary to the above, it's not identity politics, it is survival of my freedoms I've grown accustomed to my whole life politics.

 

+1000

[Der Zeitgeist]

 

 

I think what a lot of people are missing is that "traditional" conservatism (at least conservatism from 1945 on -- free trade, interventionist foreign policy, strong emphasis on morality etc.) is completely dead. Trump proved that in the 2016 Primaries, when he wiped the floor with a huge field of very qualified candidates, most of whom were fairly traditional. His campaign was an explicit rejection of W's tenure and it resonated very strongly with Republican voters. Trump is probably the least "conservative" Republican President ever. The current right vs left fight is just identitarian stuff, it's not based on actual philosophies or anything -- hell, Trump probably could have run as a Democrat on basically his exact same platform.

 

Thanks for defining real conservatism to the rest of us.

 

 

Most people on this forum were pro-Bush's policies until the moment Trump got elected. Don't tell me that's not identity politics.

 

 

I'm already looking forward to every Trump supporter on this forum suddenly doing a 180 and renouncing their prior leanings the minute this guy is out office.

 

 

 

 

Most people on this forum were pro-Bush's policies until the moment Trump got elected. Don't tell me that's not identity politics.

 

 

You really don't remember all the struggles people had with Bush on this forum over the last 10 years and even during his presidency? Not the usual Chimpy McBushhitler types but the conservatives on this site, myself included?

 

 

The thing I remember most is the collective circle jerk of you guys when the tanks started rolling into Iraq and the open contempt for anyone criticising the invasion back then. There's a reason most of the French members left back then. Of course, almost no one here (except Stuart, of all people) seems to admit their support for the Iraq war nowadays. I expect the same thing will be happening with their support for Trump.

Edited June 24, 2020 by Der Zeitgeist