Culture Wars

[Tim the Tank Nut]

herein lies the problem for the Left. At the rate things are developing by the time the November election occurs Trump will be the only choice

[DKTanker]

So we've now cancelled everyone on Mount Rushmore so I assume they'll be dynamiting that soon. I'm old enough to remember when we were scoffed at for saying the New Red Guard wouldn't stop at confederate statues.

 

Roosevelt Statue to Be Removed From Museum of Natural History

The equestrian memorial to Theodore Roosevelt has long prompted objections as a symbol of colonialism and racism.

 

 

"Let me get this straight... they're removing the statue of the Roosevelt who *didn't* put American citizens into internment camps??"

To many, perhaps most, leftists, the leftist movement started with FDR. To them he is their George Washington, the history of their nation started on March 4th, 1933 when FDR was first inaugurated. They'll no more desecrate their founder than the Russians have Lenin.

[Jeff]

 

So we've now cancelled everyone on Mount Rushmore so I assume they'll be dynamiting that soon. I'm old enough to remember when we were scoffed at for saying the New Red Guard wouldn't stop at confederate statues.

 

Roosevelt Statue to Be Removed From Museum of Natural History

The equestrian memorial to Theodore Roosevelt has long prompted objections as a symbol of colonialism and racism.

 

 

"Let me get this straight... they're removing the statue of the Roosevelt who *didn't* put American citizens into internment camps??"

To many, perhaps most, leftists, the leftist movement started with FDR. To them he is their George Washington, the history of their nation started on March 4th, 1933 when FDR was first inaugurated. They'll no more desecrate their founder than the Russians have Lenin.

 

 

The only statue left untouched in SEATTLE is the one they put up of Lenin. But remember, they're not Marxists.

[Jeff]

Twitter Introduces New 'Send Mob' Feature

 

[lucklucky]

The term "useful idiots" comes to mind.

I said it before, I'll say it again. Marxism is not only the by far most destructive ideology ever invented by man, it also remains the most dangerous one because it has the potential to infect the minds of young people over and over again under the disguise of seemingly different goals of activists - such as environmentalism, antifascism (who'd not be against fascism, right?), antiracism (who, aside from Klan people, proudly identifies himself as a racist? (unless it's racism against white people, of course)), intersectionalism, postmodernism, ...

 

That way it can hide for a good while its totalitarian nature, and prevent being associated with the disastrous results of Marxism everywhere. Mental inoculation reaches only a small percentage of the population, and it's no surprise that what helps best against this ideology is being targeted with priority by Marxists in the political and in the education system.

 

Only when Marxism is unveiled as Social Supremacism, and their defenders as Social Supremacists.

 

[Mikel2]

 

So we've now cancelled everyone on Mount Rushmore so I assume they'll be dynamiting that soon. I'm old enough to remember when we were scoffed at for saying the New Red Guard wouldn't stop at confederate statues.

 

Roosevelt Statue to Be Removed From Museum of Natural History

The equestrian memorial to Theodore Roosevelt has long prompted objections as a symbol of colonialism and racism.

 

 

"Let me get this straight... they're removing the statue of the Roosevelt who *didn't* put American citizens into internment camps??"

To many, perhaps most, leftists, the leftist movement started with FDR. To them he is their George Washington, the history of their nation started on March 4th, 1933 when FDR was first inaugurated. They'll no more desecrate their founder than the Russians have Lenin.

 

TR was the founder of the Progressive Party. The modern left should love him. He didn't belong at Mt Rushmore.

 

Big monuments to men like that don't belong in a republic anyway. Grant's pharaonic tomb has always bothered me. I don't think he would have wanted such a monstrosity anyway.

[Nobu]

The problem for the Right is if they still are not able to salvage victory against an opponent with self-destructive tendencies.

 

Reagan/Bush versus Biden/Harris would be the greatest landslide since FDR.

[Burncycle360]

The problem for the Right is if they still are not able to salvage victory against an opponent with self-destructive tendencies.

 

Short of mad max, all people can do is be incredulous at how ridiculous this all is and share white hot memes anonymously on the internet pointing out the double standards. Any time you try to talk to them, the tactic is to shut down and not listen, yell, etc.

 

Annoyingly, the way it's set up, anyone (left, center or right) who stands up to this isn't simply racist, it's more than that. Standing up to them serves as proof that the boogeyman of right extremism is as pervasive as the ideological narrative of systemic oppression claims, and therefore it reinforces their mentality as well founded (otherwise why would people oppose them?), causing them to double down on their distorted world view. There really is no reasoning with these sort of people.

 

I have to believe in the wake of this that the movement is made up of one of two types: malicious zealots, and the easily manipulated. The former knows their argument doesn't have any logical internal consistency, they simply don't care. The latter are either intellectually lazy, willfully ignorant or naive and want to fit in to perceived public pressure from social media, which serves as their window to the world and one root cause of the delusions.

 

There will be pushback, as sure as "mom bod" predictably followed the "dad bod" trend, and it will result in an actual resurgence in the radical right, with dire consequences

Edited June 22, 2020 by Burncycle360

[Nobu]

The radical right isn't going to do much except maybe write a strongly worded book, which they will take with them all the way to the bank.

 

Whether they are actually capable of doing anything to stem the tide remains to be seen. Setting off a massive fertilizer bomb in an American city somewhere is not a solution.

Edited June 23, 2020 by Nobu

[Burncycle360]

Indeed. Too bad there isn't a radical center, aggressively rational and nuanced. Unfortunately populism tends to work better with emotion rather than logic.

[nitflegal]

The problem for the Right is if they still are not able to salvage victory against an opponent with self-destructive tendencies.

 

Reagan/Bush versus Biden/Harris would be the greatest landslide since FDR.

I don't think so. One thing the left is extremely good at is boiling down their answers to something that is easy to understand, means that if you are marginalized or struggling that you are the victim, and sound like it is morally good to be on their side. They can get away with it because they are covered for by the media that wants to be able to morally preen so never digs deeply into why their ideas don't work (see War on Poverty, affirmative action, etc.). Additionally, we have dumbed down education to the point that critical and logical thinking are not only not encouraged, they are actively "shown" to be a terrible idea. So many of our younger generations simply aren't trained in critical thinking to ask the hard questions that the media and left will not. Seriously, talk to a dirt poor and poorly educated person in their 60's and see how hard it is to bullshit them. I've had co-workers and employees who were older and who didn't graduate high school who were incredibly logical and methodical thinkers. And late 20 something Ph.D's in Stem fields who have to know "why" but will accept any plausible sounding but contradictory explanation. One of my favorite class sessions with my graduate engineer classes is to give them a long winded but internally inconsistent answer about surgical principals and then explain how I spouted nonsense with a lot of big words and watch them understand that authority figures or "experts" will make sh*t up and they must always analyze information to see if it actually makes sense.

 

SO when you have a combination of 20 and 30 somethings with no job security, often in debt for pointless college degrees, unable to buy a house as early as their parents with 24/7 access to a pocket computer filled with easy and soothing lies from the left that none of this is their fault, everyone before them had an easier life that is being denied them (and they lack the historical education to know what a crock of crap that is) do you really think that they are going to listen to a message that they need to work harder, sacrifice more and so forth? Throw in the obvious impacts of globalization on people's job prospects and careers and a drumbeat of focussed leftism against minorities and their allies that the above message is not only true but on steroids for them and I don't think Reagan could even win. Especially as he would probably make the same mistake of thinking he was in competition with the left and not in a fight to the death. Alternative media is great but most people still spend the vast majority of their time on line on Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube. Does anyone think that is influencing people AWAY from leftism? Their were Allied radio channels that could be heard in WW2 Germany, does anyone think that sparse and dangerous (and try espousing conservative opinions on Twitter today) information channel turned the Germans away from Nazism and their own national propaganda?

 

I think it was Jesse Kelly who said we lost the culture war and it was time for guerrilla information war. I am not so sure that he is wrong. . .

[nitflegal]

Ooops. . . damned submit button

Edited June 23, 2020 by nitflegal

[Burncycle360]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKc2qjrJhyc

[Stargrunt6]

Ben and Jerry's wants to dioxin, I meam, defund, the police

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/ben-and-jerrys-defund-the-police-juneteenth-instagram-post-2020-6?op=1

[DKTanker]

Ben and Jerry's wants to dioxin, I meam, defund, the police

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/ben-and-jerrys-defund-the-police-juneteenth-instagram-post-2020-6?op=1

I defunded Ben and Jerry's 40 years ago.

[Burncycle360]

Turns out the noose they discovered in the bay of the black NASCAR driver was a garage door rope with a hand hold tied into it that's been there for at least 6 months...

As seen in Bay 4 in this 6 month old video at around 0:53 seconds

Edited June 23, 2020 by Burncycle360

[Murph]

The FBI will not find anything, but then again they might since NASCAR people tend to support Trump, so expect thousands of criminal investigations by the FBI to get those Trump voters.

[Jeff]

And yet NASCAR and the drivers and crews all prostrated themselves before Bubba Wallace and the BLM nuts when people were saying this might be Jussie Smollet 2.0. People need to start telling these people to go frack themselves or this will never stop.

[lucklucky]

It will never stop. They are Marxist.

 

 

I don't think so. One thing the left is extremely good at is boiling down their answers to something that is easy to understand, means that if you are marginalized or struggling that you are the victim, and sound like it is morally good to be on their side. They can get away with it because they are covered for by the media

 

 

Left and the media are one and the same. I don't understand why people continue to put the media in some sort of off place.

[Jeff]

That Drumpf sure is a crazy nutbag spouting all kinds of exaggerated BS, what a maroon!

 

Trump Was Right In 2017 When He Said Statue Destroyers Wouldn’t Stop With Confederate Figures
What media figures assured the public was absurd when President Trump said it in 2017 is now coming to fruition in cities across the country.

By Mollie Hemingway
JUNE 23, 2020

 

President Trump was roundly mocked and derided for worrying in August 2017 that statue destroyers would move on from statues of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee to statues of former presidents and founding fathers George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. Major media accused Trump of making inappropriate and even ridiculous comments.

 

Fewer than three years later, precisely as President Trump predicted, iconoclastic mobs have moved on from toppling Confederate statues to deface, damage, and destroy statues of and memorials to Admiral David Farragut, abolitionist Matthias Baldwin, American Revolutionary War Gen. Philip Schuyler, a Texas ranger, Commanding Gen. of the Union Army Ulysses S. Grant, Frances Scott Key, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson. A statue of former President Theodore Roosevelt is facing imminent removal in New York City.

“So this week it’s Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?” President Trump asked on August 15, 2017.

 

Removing Confederate memorials doesn’t mean Washington and Jefferson are next, assured Jamelle Bouie of Slate at the time. “Trump’s comparison there is dumb. It doesn’t really even make any sense. And the notion that there’s some slippery slope is dumb,” he said.

 

HBO’s John Oliver vehemently agreed (language warning):

 

[video in article]

 

The New York Times ran an article headlined “Historians Question Trump’s Comments on Confederate Monuments,” quoting a historian calling Trump’s query a “red herring.” Another historian said “the answer to Mr. Trump’s hypothetical question about whether getting rid of Lee and Jackson also meant junking Washington and Jefferson was a simple ‘no.'”

 

NPR’s Steve Inskeep purported to do a “fact” “check” on President Trump’s statement, opining that Trump “used one of his standard rhetorical techniques, ‘whataboutism.'” His “fact” “check” concluded: “To have the president of the United States compare Lee to Washington is simply, factually wrong.”

 

“Trump equates Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson with George Washington in bizarre press conference,” opined Business Insider’s Sonam Sheth. “Lee and Jackson were the leaders of the US’ secessionist movement that was organized to preserve the institution of slavery. Washington and Jefferson are two of the country’s most notable founders, as well as the first and third presidents,” wrote Sheth, wrongly suggesting that mobs would never come for the latters’ statues.

 

The Washington Post’s Kristine Phillips wrote a piece smugly headlined, “Historians: No, Mr. President, Washington and Jefferson are not the same as Confederate generals.” Not a single one of the historians Phillips chose to interview in her critique of the president could even imagine a world where mobs might tear down statues of slaveholding Founding Fathers, much less where organized protesters would secure their removal. Jim Grossman, executive director of the American Historical Association, called the suggestion “absurd” and “unacceptable for the president of the United States.”

Douglas Blackmon, a senior fellow at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center, said President Trump either does not understand history or was racist for worrying about the removal of Founding Father statues. “It’s the difference between a monument to the founder of our nation, and a monument to a key figure in an effort to break apart the nation,” Blackmon said. “The most kind explanation of that can only be ignorance, and I don’t say that to insult the president.”

 

Denver Brunsman, a history professor at George Washington University — which this week removed busts of George Washington, apparently to protect them from mobs decrying the first president as beneath contempt — was quoted saying that Washington and Jefferson should not be in any way equated with those who seceded from the union.

 

NBC News assured people that Trump was wrong: “Is the president right about the impending threat to the founders? Historians who spoke to NBC News said such fears are slightly misplaced and that Trump is championing a murky interpretation of history.” The article quoted Kevin Levin, a Boston-based historian, saying “The president can raise the slippery slope, but it’s a false slippery slope.”

 

The article ended, however, with an admission that some groups want statues of any U.S. presidents who were slave owners also removed.

 

One man specifically cited Washington and President Andrew Jackson as candidates for statue removal, just as President Trump accurately predicted.

During President Trump’s press conference in August 2017, a reporter immediately pushed back on his concern that statues of the first president might not be safe:

 

Q: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

 

THE PRESIDENT: George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down —

 

Excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?

 

Q I do love Thomas Jefferson.

 

THE PRESIDENT: Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

 

What media figures assured the public was absurd is now coming to fruition in cities across the country, including New York City:

 

Here’s their letter to Mayor de Blasio.

 

President Trump worried that statue removers wouldn’t stop with Confederate figures. The media roundly mocked and derided him. Yet all their experts, fact checks, and smug assurances were completely wrong and Trump was right. It will be interesting to note whether any of these media outlets acknowledge that they were wrong.

 

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/23/trump-was-right-in-2017-when-he-said-statue-destroyers-wouldnt-stop-with-confederate-figures/#.XvH2oYBWssc.twitter

 

 

[Jeff]

"Anti-racism protesters"?

 

ABC News
@ABC
Anti-racism protesters tried to pull down a monument of Andrew Jackson, the seventh president of the United States, in a park near the White House before police intervened.

8:19 AM · Jun 23, 2020

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1275402999465213954

 

 

[bojan]

It has started here with pulling down the statues and changing street names. Good luck, you are gonna need it.

Edited June 23, 2020 by bojan

[Mikel2]

Do I get to destroy monuments of progressives I don't like??

[lucklucky]

"Anti-racism protesters"?

 

ABC News

@ABC

Anti-racism protesters tried to pull down a monument of Andrew Jackson, the seventh president of the United States, in a park near the White House before police intervened.

8:19 AM · Jun 23, 2020

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1275402999465213954

 

 

You know in the Marxist media the good guys are always "activists" , the others are "extremists".

[Jeff]

Twitter flags a tweet from Trump for promising to keep law and order.

 

Twitter Safety
@TwitterSafety
We’ve placed a public interest notice on this Tweet for violating our policy against abusive behavior, specifically, the presence of a threat of harm against an identifiable group.

2:46 PM · Jun 23, 2020

https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1275500569940176897

 

 

The offending tweet:

 

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

There will never be an “Autonomous Zone” in Washington, D.C., as long as I’m your President. If they try they will be met with serious force!
8:45 AM · Jun 23, 2020

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275409656488382465

 

 

So what "identifiable group" did he threaten? Burn Twitter down.