Culture Wars

[lucklucky]

 

Tell them white men stopped slavery, not anyone else. Royal navy even had an Anti Slavery squadron, and other countries cooperated.

Britain stopped the slave trade. It did nothing to stop slavery until much later. It was until the 1830's it was fully resolved in the Carribean for example. In fact the arguments for stopping the trade in slaves I gather were to make the slave owner's look after their slaves better. Moral perhaps, but not so moral as to actually stop owning them.

 

That is not correct. Why Economics was called the Dismal Science by the Cultural Establishment? Economists defended the free markets and that people should be free to pursue their own interest, including Negroes like was the term at time. Thomas Carlyle an important member of cultural establishment was advocating for reintroducing slavery in West Indias.

 

 

...

The last slave to America has an interesting story that destroys Marxists narratives...

 

During April or May 1860, Lewis was taken prisoner by Dahomey Amazons of the Kingdom of Dahomey as part of its annual dry-season raids for slaves

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cudjoe_Lewis

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Kingdom_of_Dahomey

Edited June 20, 2020 by lucklucky

[lucklucky]

Associated Press goes full scale institutional racist:

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/06/20/associated-press-changes-writing-style-to-capitalize-b-in-black-in-racial-ethnic-and-cultural-contexts-n556833

[nitflegal]

Out of curiosity, is it too early to declare the left the winners of the American culture war? I keep hearing about this huge backlash and have for what, 20 years? Yet when we have a president who seems willing to buck the powers in charge he gets crippled for his whole presidency by faux scandals and it appears that senior Republican leadership knew it was false and kept quiet to avoid getting targeted. Popular culture is almost entirely leftist and there is no push back. Our means of communication are in the control of a handful of monopolies and nobody in power is doing anything serious to reign them in. Anyone prominent who tries to fight back gets targeted fairly effectively and this includes their family and friends; the average person can't survive being cancelled out of their jobs and reputation, the vocal pundits notwithstanding. Leftists are toppling statues of George Washington and trying to modify history or simply enjoy their ignorance of it and Trump et al dare not fight back because of the PR disaster that will ensue. Put simply, which side seems to have the institutionalized ability to get their way far more than the other?

 

And on the conservative side we get what, tax cuts and drawing back of regulations (the latter a good thing) while we spend even more frantically then our wretched Democrat presidents What else? Judges? All of them know they will be targeted along with their family so we get occasional small wins but on the really big things notice how the conservative side seems to generally lose. Even if our conservative savior judges tie themselves in knots to avoid pissing off the left (lack of second amendment cases accepted, Obamacare tax, title 7 isn't actually about sex discrimination) etc. But we can always rely on the police and military because they are all secret gun nuts and would never enforce anti-liberty policies like, I dunno, arresting participants at a Jewish wedding, kneeling before marxist protesters, etc. A walking dementia patient is winning the presidency in the polls and may well act as a trojan horse to get an unelectable leftist into the actual presidency. Academia is the breeding ground for leftism and it is far more overtly left then it was even 10 years ago. I have yet to hear anyone articulate how things swing away from leftism; all that I hear is that with a Herculean effort conservatives may be able to slow the pace of leftism winning until some mythical Ronald Reagan/Jesus/Khan magically appears and fixes it. Conservatism has become the equivalent of South Park's Underwear Gnomes:

1) Fight around the margins

2) Dunno

3) Ultimate conservative victory

 

I would greatly appreciate if someone can tell me where I am getting it wrong. . .

[Nobu]

The left is going to keep on winning unless its opposition gets its act together. It has not since Bush Jr, which fits with the 20-year wait for some kind of backlash to materialize.

 

For Conservatism in the meantime, just like in Assyria as it degenerated, every man (and woman) wants to write a book.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Nobu

[Burncycle360]

If the DNC manages to get a VP that tickles the fancy of the masses, they'll ignore that Biden can't put a sentence together and vote for him -- with enough new voters from Gen Z and non-voters deciding to vote to make the election dangerously close. It's a back door way to get out of the corner they've painted themselves into.

If that happens and they manage to win, the last bastion of defense is the Republican majority in the Senate. If that's lost... that's it. Guns will be at the top of the agenda. Some rural areas will refuse to enforce it, claiming sanctuary states and cities, but even if we're generous it's going to be a significant setback that would take decades to recover from and stripping swaths of people of their rights in the meantime, and we haven't even started addressing the problem of continuing indoctrination, so another 8 graduating classes nationwide will be postmodern neomarxist believers along with their younger siblings, and that mentality will start to creep in even in rural areas despite their parents efforts. The wealthy will take their toys and leave to Puerto Rico or get around regulations and move a lot of assets offshore, and when the left can't solve the problem by taxing the rich into the ground like the French, the middle class will get out their yellow vests with a resurgence of nationalism which includes the far right. Polarization just ramps up from here. With the US on the brink of economic failure thanks to continued runaway spending, and neglected foreign strategy, other nations will use this opportunity for their ends, be it Russia, Iran, NKorea and/or China and there's not shit we're in a position to do about it because we can't afford to intervene conventionally and we don't want it to go Nuclear.

Or maybe this whole thing fizzles out, I dunno.

T

[Stargrunt6]

If the DNC had an attractive candidate for Vp, they would've found them by now.

[Burncycle360]

All they'd have to do is convince Michelle Obama or some other recognized name, enough people will vote based on her sex or color of her skin that nothing else matters.

[DKTanker]

I would greatly appreciate if someone can tell me where I am getting it wrong. . .

I can't, but then I made the same observation about a week or so ago, that the Left has won the war abdicated by the Right. What brought me to the final realization was Gorsuch creating new law out of whole cloth stating that life choices now are to be granted special privileges. The LGBQABCXYZ decision. And that was before Roberts declared that fiat law with no supporting legislation (unconstitutional), written by a leftist president cannot be undone by a succeeding president from the not leftist party.

[Ivanhoe]

If the DNC had an attractive candidate for Vp, they would've found them by now.

 

Gabby is very marketable, but for reasons unknown she was snubbed by the DNC.

[DKTanker]

 

If the DNC had an attractive candidate for Vp, they would've found them by now.

 

Gabby is very marketable, but for reasons unknown she was snubbed by the DNC.

 

Tulsi Gabbard, yes?

 

Two reasons that I can think of, though could be way off base.

 

1.) She's conflicted. While she espouses many leftist talking points I can't help thinking that she's not really into them. She gives me the impression that if not for her being from Hawaii, she may well be from the dark side, conservative. But conservative in the way Susan Collins is conservative.

2.) She's too appealing, too much eye candy.

[Rick]

Out of curiosity, is it too early to declare the left the winners of the American culture war? I keep hearing about this huge backlash and have for what, 20 years? Yet when we have a president who seems willing to buck the powers in charge he gets crippled for his whole presidency by faux scandals and it appears that senior Republican leadership knew it was false and kept quiet to avoid getting targeted. Popular culture is almost entirely leftist and there is no push back. Our means of communication are in the control of a handful of monopolies and nobody in power is doing anything serious to reign them in. Anyone prominent who tries to fight back gets targeted fairly effectively and this includes their family and friends; the average person can't survive being cancelled out of their jobs and reputation, the vocal pundits notwithstanding. Leftists are toppling statues of George Washington and trying to modify history or simply enjoy their ignorance of it and Trump et al dare not fight back because of the PR disaster that will ensue. Put simply, which side seems to have the institutionalized ability to get their way far more than the other?

 

And on the conservative side we get what, tax cuts and drawing back of regulations (the latter a good thing) while we spend even more frantically then our wretched Democrat presidents What else? Judges? All of them know they will be targeted along with their family so we get occasional small wins but on the really big things notice how the conservative side seems to generally lose. Even if our conservative savior judges tie themselves in knots to avoid pissing off the left (lack of second amendment cases accepted, Obamacare tax, title 7 isn't actually about sex discrimination) etc. But we can always rely on the police and military because they are all secret gun nuts and would never enforce anti-liberty policies like, I dunno, arresting participants at a Jewish wedding, kneeling before marxist protesters, etc. A walking dementia patient is winning the presidency in the polls and may well act as a trojan horse to get an unelectable leftist into the actual presidency. Academia is the breeding ground for leftism and it is far more overtly left then it was even 10 years ago. I have yet to hear anyone articulate how things swing away from leftism; all that I hear is that with a Herculean effort conservatives may be able to slow the pace of leftism winning until some mythical Ronald Reagan/Jesus/Khan magically appears and fixes it. Conservatism has become the equivalent of South Park's Underwear Gnomes:

1) Fight around the margins

2) Dunno

3) Ultimate conservative victory

 

I would greatly appreciate if someone can tell me where I am getting it wrong. . .

We will not see the defeat of liberalism until, literally, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Things will be much, much worse than they are now before this occurs.

[Stargrunt6]

 

 

 

 

If the DNC had an attractive candidate for Vp, they would've found them by now.

Gabby is very marketable, but for reasons unknown she was snubbed by the DNC.

Tulsi Gabbard, yes?

 

Two reasons that I can think of, though could be way off base.

 

1.) She's conflicted. While she espouses many leftist talking points I can't help thinking that she's not really into them. She gives me the impression that if not for her being from Hawaii, she may well be from the dark side, conservative. But conservative in the way Susan Collins is conservative.

2.) She's too appealing, too much eye candy.

Ya know, regarding #2, I'm now starting to think the radfems in the DNC shot her down out of unconscious spite.

 

I'm not convinced im the competence of the leftist political class, in particular, the DNC. They had 4 years to pick a vp and haven't done so.

[nitflegal]

 

If the DNC had an attractive candidate for Vp, they would've found them by now.

 

Gabby is very marketable, but for reasons unknown she was snubbed by the DNC.

 

I don't think those reasons are unknown. Whatever her other beliefs she is a proponent of the US military, talks positively about her service, and actually seems to love her country even if she wants to modify it in ways I think are foolish. She also appears to be unafraid to buck the power structure. This makes her unacceptable to the leftist base of the party as well as the string pullers and power brokers.

[Stargrunt6]

 

 

 

 

If the DNC had an attractive candidate for Vp, they would've found them by now.

Gabby is very marketable, but for reasons unknown she was snubbed by the DNC.

I don't think those reasons are unknown. Whatever her other beliefs she is a proponent of the US military, talks positively about her service, and actually seems to love her country even if she wants to modify it in ways I think are foolish. She also appears to be unafraid to buck the power structure. This makes her unacceptable to the leftist base of the party as well as the string pullers and power brokers.

I.e., they don't want Trump pt 2, now in left-wing flavor.

[lucklucky]

She does not appear to be Marxist.

Left which is now driven by Marxist Left in full hate, Bolchevick mode. Any compromises are seen as treason.

[DKTanker]

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/20/conservative-cowards-are-to-blame-for-falling-statues/?fbclid=IwAR0Uwu7VpGKuVK4WW5MY9s4zE17uILJVmwbmy-IAE9OmpBxiM4Ir74gU1As

 

Conservative Cowards Are To Blame For Falling Statues

Every conservative who compromised on tearing down confederate statues is complicit in the destruction of art across the country.

JUNE 20, 2020 By David Marcus

There is no need to name names. The so-called conservatives who have been coddling mindless calls to destroy public art know who they are, so do the rest of us. These are the reasonable conservatives, the good ones, so ever careful no to be called racist. They had a compromise in mind because they always do. Throw the Confederate statues under the bus and we can save the rest. Well.

Friday night a statue of Ulysses S. Grant was toppled. Also the statue of a Catholic saint. Do you know who is to blame? It is not the hordes of progressives with ropes and chains; it is every conservative who thought those Jacobin lunatics could be appeased by just tearing down certain statues. It is a metaphor for the fecklessness of an American right too cowed to stand up for itself.......

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.polygon.com/2020/6/10/21287154/racist-magic-the-gathering-cards-banned-removed-from-database-wizards-apology

 

On Wednesday, Magic: The Gathering publisher Wizards of the Coast took unprecedented measures to remove racist cards from its game. Seven cards in all, dating back to 1994, are now banned from play. Their images will also being removed from the game’s official online database.

 

I don't know how Magic The Gathering works, but hard to believe this is a priority item right now.

[Nobu]

Preemptive damage control on Hasbro's part. The Redskins may be next.

[JasonJ]

https://www.polygon.com/2020/6/10/21287154/racist-magic-the-gathering-cards-banned-removed-from-database-wizards-apology

 

 

On Wednesday, Magic: The Gathering publisher Wizards of the Coast took unprecedented measures to remove racist cards from its game. Seven cards in all, dating back to 1994, are now banned from play. Their images will also being removed from the game’s official online database.

I don't know how Magic The Gathering works, but hard to believe this is a priority item right now.

Someday, playing chess with black and white pieces will get harrassment for being racists.

[Nobu]

 

Out of curiosity, is it too early to declare the left the winners of the American culture war? I keep hearing about this huge backlash and have for what, 20 years? Yet when we have a president who seems willing to buck the powers in charge he gets crippled for his whole presidency by faux scandals and it appears that senior Republican leadership knew it was false and kept quiet to avoid getting targeted. Popular culture is almost entirely leftist and there is no push back. Our means of communication are in the control of a handful of monopolies and nobody in power is doing anything serious to reign them in. Anyone prominent who tries to fight back gets targeted fairly effectively and this includes their family and friends; the average person can't survive being cancelled out of their jobs and reputation, the vocal pundits notwithstanding. Leftists are toppling statues of George Washington and trying to modify history or simply enjoy their ignorance of it and Trump et al dare not fight back because of the PR disaster that will ensue. Put simply, which side seems to have the institutionalized ability to get their way far more than the other?

 

And on the conservative side we get what, tax cuts and drawing back of regulations (the latter a good thing) while we spend even more frantically then our wretched Democrat presidents What else? Judges? All of them know they will be targeted along with their family so we get occasional small wins but on the really big things notice how the conservative side seems to generally lose. Even if our conservative savior judges tie themselves in knots to avoid pissing off the left (lack of second amendment cases accepted, Obamacare tax, title 7 isn't actually about sex discrimination) etc. But we can always rely on the police and military because they are all secret gun nuts and would never enforce anti-liberty policies like, I dunno, arresting participants at a Jewish wedding, kneeling before marxist protesters, etc. A walking dementia patient is winning the presidency in the polls and may well act as a trojan horse to get an unelectable leftist into the actual presidency. Academia is the breeding ground for leftism and it is far more overtly left then it was even 10 years ago. I have yet to hear anyone articulate how things swing away from leftism; all that I hear is that with a Herculean effort conservatives may be able to slow the pace of leftism winning until some mythical Ronald Reagan/Jesus/Khan magically appears and fixes it. Conservatism has become the equivalent of South Park's Underwear Gnomes:

1) Fight around the margins

2) Dunno

3) Ultimate conservative victory

 

I would greatly appreciate if someone can tell me where I am getting it wrong. . .

We will not see the defeat of liberalism until, literally, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Things will be much, much worse than they are now before this occurs.

 

The appearance of (Shad) Khan is technically still a possibility as well, although not until after he brings Jacksonville to the promised land. Not sure which will take longer.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

Tell them white men stopped slavery, not anyone else. Royal navy even had an Anti Slavery squadron, and other countries cooperated.

Britain stopped the slave trade. It did nothing to stop slavery until much later. It was until the 1830's it was fully resolved in the Carribean for example. In fact the arguments for stopping the trade in slaves I gather were to make the slave owner's look after their slaves better. Moral perhaps, but not so moral as to actually stop owning them.

And Britain deserves much credit for that... And never gets. Is there any nation that did more to destroy slavery all over the world?

 

It was white Christians who did that.

 

Yes, but it was also white Christians that founded the cross atlantic trade. Ive no figures to support it, but I suspect for all the abuse we throw at Muslims for founding the trade in White Christians, they didnt traffic half as many Slaves as we British did, if only because of Hull size. Doesnt make it any better of course.

 

Sure, we did it right in the end, but we have to give due credit for those descended from the trade that we were also responsible for it. Two sides of the same coin. Both stories need to be told and understood.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

Tell them white men stopped slavery, not anyone else. Royal navy even had an Anti Slavery squadron, and other countries cooperated.

Britain stopped the slave trade. It did nothing to stop slavery until much later. It was until the 1830's it was fully resolved in the Carribean for example. In fact the arguments for stopping the trade in slaves I gather were to make the slave owner's look after their slaves better. Moral perhaps, but not so moral as to actually stop owning them.

 

That is not correct. Why Economics was called the Dismal Science by the Cultural Establishment? Economists defended the free markets and that people should be free to pursue their own interest, including Negroes like was the term at time. Thomas Carlyle an important member of cultural establishment was advocating for reintroducing slavery in West Indias.

 

 

...

The last slave to America has an interesting story that destroys Marxists narratives...

 

During April or May 1860, Lewis was taken prisoner by Dahomey Amazons of the Kingdom of Dahomey as part of its annual dry-season raids for slaves

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cudjoe_Lewis

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Kingdom_of_Dahomey

 

No, it is correct. The British stopped the slave TRADE long before they stopped the Slave INDUSTRY. Its two different things. The slave owners in the Carribean and Southern US States continued long after the last slave had been officially trafficked. Yes, there was a few illegals, right up to what I seem to recall was mere months before the US Civil war started. But it wasnt legal by then as already said (the owners scuttled the ship to avoid discovery, whcih shows how much the trade was worth). It was of course still legal in the Southern states to still OWN slaves, and would still have been if there hadnt been a civil war.

 

But dont take my word for it.

https://www.historyextra.com/period/modern/britain-slave-trade-edward-colston-statue-british-empire/

[Roman Alymov]

 

 

 

I'm not certain that President Trump will be re-elected.

I’m afraid it does not matter if Trump will stay President for extra few years or not: looking from another side of Arctic Pole , I see no signs of situation with social split in USA healed – but, contrary, all signs of situation deteriorating. Events we see now are rooted back in decades (as well as collapse of USSR was rooted in decisions made in 1960th), so all Trump could do now is to slow down the process for some time, but not for long. The only thing that could possibly reverse the situation is some sort of white rural middle class and blue collar (plus, may be, what is left of industrial working class) uprising taking full control of entire country (including big cities) but it is extremely unlikely event.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/9/21151095/black-women-trump-gop-conservatism-gap-2020

 

Roman, the above U.S. liberal-leaning post gives, imo, some good, basic input into U.S. voting patterns. The white middle-class, especially men, will go Republican. And more non-white men are at least leaning toward Trump. It is men who will propel Trump to his second term. Also, hopefully, the U.S. Congress, ie House of Representatives, will go Republican. Again, just my opinion, at this point, the election will go to Trump and Congress will go, barely, Republican.

 

Thank you for the article – I am surprised that this issues, even in situation when every % point of votes are of significant importance for US and global politics, are sort of underresearched. After almost two decades in advertising media research I expected at least equal level of research to one in consumer-oriented business. But, newer the less, my main point was different: I do not see this or that person elected President as cause of society changes – I see it as side effect of society changes. Trump election was, as for me, side effect of significant part of US society negative attitude to society changes they see in US. But were this society changes reversed under President Trump? Was urbanization reversed? Was demographic trend of US population becoming more and more non-white reversed, for example? (note I do not believe this or that skin color is making person better, but it is safe to assume skmin color is often indication of belonging to this or that political and economic tradition).

[Mikel2]

 

 

 

 

Tell them white men stopped slavery, not anyone else. Royal navy even had an Anti Slavery squadron, and other countries cooperated.

Britain stopped the slave trade. It did nothing to stop slavery until much later. It was until the 1830's it was fully resolved in the Carribean for example. In fact the arguments for stopping the trade in slaves I gather were to make the slave owner's look after their slaves better. Moral perhaps, but not so moral as to actually stop owning them.

And Britain deserves much credit for that... And never gets. Is there any nation that did more to destroy slavery all over the world?

 

It was white Christians who did that.

Yes, but it was also white Christians that founded the cross atlantic trade. Ive no figures to support it, but I suspect for all the abuse we throw at Muslims for founding the trade in White Christians, they didnt traffic half as many Slaves as we British did, if only because of Hull size. Doesnt make it any better of course.

 

Sure, we did it right in the end, but we have to give due credit for those descended from the trade that we were also responsible for it. Two sides of the same coin. Both stories need to be told and understood.

Christianity was central to one and not the other.

 

 

When Spain encountered the natives of the New World, there were passionate discussions as to what these beings were. If they were animals, they could be killed and enslaved. If they were fellow men, Spain had an obligation to protect them and bring the word of God to them. In the end laws were passed for the latter, which unfortunately were often ignored. Regardless of the final outcome, this was unprecedented and it was as uniquely Christian as the later abolitionist movement.

 

How many non-Christian societies have abolished slavery without foreign gunboats on their shores?

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valladolid_debate

Edited June 21, 2020 by Mikel2

[Mikel2]

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Edited June 21, 2020 by Mikel2