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7 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

As to your second point, a lot, countless numbers, have been killed by one Christian sect or another in the name of "God" when the unconverted refused to convert.  The European continent was one huge sectarian battlefield for well over a thousand years.  It has only recently taken a pause.

Perhaps you should review how the general Protestant denominations went to become State religions, and what happened to dissenters. The Spanish Inquisition in comparison was a Boy Scouts branch.

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4 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Sigh. Unfortunately it does appear you are unable to discuss the morality of each of those tenets without using religion to explain them. 

Congratulations. You have just discovered why arguing with religious fundamentalists is pointless.

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A. "Good news! Roe vs Wade has been reversed."

B. "But the Aztecs did human sacrifices following their religion."

A. "So?"

B. "You can not make murder illegal based on religious arguments."

A. "But there was no religious argument there."

B. "No, but I introduced one, so I win the discussion."

A. "God bless your heart..."

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I personally have no problem with devout people at all, as long as they practice what they preach, ha ha. All the major religions’ core beliefs are sort of designed to make you what I would consider to be a good person, if you use “because God said so” as shorthand, that’s fine with me. Problems start when people twist those beliefs to support shitty things they wanted to do anyway. 

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26 minutes ago, Angrybk said:

I personally have no problem with secular people at all, as long as they practice what they preach, ha ha. All the major secular core beliefs are sort of designed to make you what I would consider to be a good person, if you use “because society said so” as shorthand, that’s fine with me. Problems start when people twist those beliefs to support shitty things they wanted to do anyway. 

FIFY

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22 minutes ago, Angrybk said:

I personally have no problem with devout people at all, as long as they practice what they preach, ha ha. All the major religions’ core beliefs are sort of designed to make you what I would consider to be a good person, if you use “because God said so” as shorthand, that’s fine with me. Problems start when people twist those beliefs to support shitty things they wanted to do anyway. 

That sounds like the famous false prophet of the world's second biggest religion.

You can only have 4 wives.... unless your the false prophet, God said so, it was a divine revelation.

You want to marry your sons wife or a prepubescent girl? It's ok you had a divine revelation.

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1 hour ago, 17thfabn said:

That sounds like the famous false prophet of the world's second biggest religion.

You can only have 4 wives.... unless your the false prophet, God said so, it was a divine revelation.

You want to marry your sons wife or a prepubescent girl? It's ok you had a divine revelation.

Yeah and the Old Testament had a lot of bizarre shit too. I’d be totally happy living next to a community of Muslims (although I’d prefer they’d be Sufis so they could incur me over for beers!) 

I spent about 4 years living next door to a major Hasidic community in Brooklyn. There were some weird encounters where they were desperately trying to find somebody to turn off their fridge because It was the Sabbath, but they never mugged or murdered anyone. 

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2 hours ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

Congratulations. You have just discovered why arguing with religious fundamentalists is pointless.

There was never an argument, at least as far as I was concerned.  I acknowledge there are those, for whatever reason, would rather do what somebody else tells them to do because they've been told a mythical being has deemed it necessary, than to explore the fundamental morality of any particular position or issue.

I point out that mankind is in fact the root of religion, not the mythical being.  People are free to believe as they wish, I have no, and don't pretend to have, control over their thoughts.

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There are atheistic fundamentalists that know they are smarter than Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, Augustine of Hippo, Thomas Aquinas, Leonardo da Vinci, Huygens, Newton, Leibniz, Jefferson, Beethoven, Gauss, Lincoln, Gödel, etc.

Thinking killing babies in their mothers' wombs is bad does not require to think there is a Supreme Being. Even some worshipers of certain supernatural beings consider that killing as an act of worship.

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1 hour ago, Angrybk said:

I spent about 4 years living next door to a major Hasidic community in Brooklyn. There were some weird encounters where they were desperately trying to find somebody to turn off their fridge because It was the Sabbath, but they never mugged or murdered anyone. 

You'd think as organized as they are, they'd make a point to have a goy that lives in the building to take care of such tasks for a nominal retainer. 

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5 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Biological aberrations which serve no purpose and are a parasitic drag on the species.  As human beings they should have the same civil rights as every other human being.  However, in no manner shape or form should the rest of the species affirm, rationalize, or celebrate their parasite status.  To do so is species suicide through thousands of small cuts.

Refer to bolden part, I agree. 

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4 hours ago, Angrybk said:

I personally have no problem with devout people at all, as long as they practice what they preach, ha ha. All the major religions’ core beliefs are sort of designed to make you what I would consider to be a good person, if you use “because God said so” as shorthand, that’s fine with me. Problems start when people twist those beliefs to support shitty things they wanted to do anyway. 

Matthew 7:15-20. No other religion can make the truthful statement in John 3:16.

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6 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Do you have any arguments that aren't circular in nature?

?  The dispositions of people have not really changed from day one.  Non-Christian thoughts and actions have not produced anything superior to Jesus Christ. And, as far as I know, much worse. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

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There is no other religion that states that God became Man and died for our sins, but Christianity.

For instance, Odin self-sacrifice does not have that meaning.

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8 hours ago, DKTanker said:

And yet I arrived to the conclusion that abortion is a monstrosity, not through religion, but something much more tangible, the advancement of the biological species.

I arrive to the fact that it is a human, and that to kill a human there should be threshold much bigger than for killing any other living being. You just don't kill a human because it is an inconvenience like you kill a fly that is bothering you.

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Fanatics heating themselves. Feminist Julie Bindell gets just a small taste of what she defends for men.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/06/25/cancelling-julie-bindel-assault-free-speech/

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Yesterday, Nottingham City Council cancelled a talk due to be given by the writer Julie Bindel, citing her views on the trans debate. Taking its lead from Stonewall, the charity that has pushed employers and institutions towards promoting an extreme approach to gender issues as a settled matter, the Council said it did not want the event to be seen as “implicit support for views held by the speaker”..

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Julie Bindell who, when asked if “heterosexuality will survive women’s liberation”, replied:

"It won’t, not unless men get their act together, have their power taken from them and behave themselves. I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back.

I hope heterosexuality doesn’t survive, actually. I would like to see a truce on heterosexuality. I would like an amnesty on heterosexuality until we have sorted ourselves out. Because under patriarchy it’s sh–.

And I am sick of hearing from individual women that their men are all right. Those men have been shored up by the advantages of patriarchy and they are complacent, they are not stopping other men from being sh–.

I would love to see a women’s liberation that results in women turning away from men and saying: “when you come back as human beings, then we might look again.”

 

https://theothermccain.com/2015/09/06/guardian-columnist-julie-bindel-says-put-all-males-in-some-kind-of-camp/comment-page-2/

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13 minutes ago, sunday said:

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Makes me think of Dave Chappelle's solution to the American Health Care Crisis. Fake Canadian Health Care cards for all Americans.

 

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US Navy says it’ll punish sailors who misuse gender pronouns intentionally

 

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Navy members who intentionally “misuse” transgender service members’ pronouns are in violation of the Navy’s harassment policy and could face administrative or judicial action, a Navy official told American Military News on Thursday.

Captain Dave Hecht, a public affairs officer at Chief of Naval Personnel, told American Military News via email that the “intentional misuse of transgender service member pronouns is inappropriate and inconsistent with the Navy zero tolerance policy on harassment.”

 

“Violations of regulation or law, to include failure to comply with the UCMJ [Uniform Code of Military Justice], may be punishable by administrative or judicial action,” Hecht said.

Hecht said that the Navy “appreciates that pronouns are a part of individual identity” and that both civilian and uniformed Navy members are expected to use appropriate rank or title, pronounce names correctly and use “an individual’s pronouns consistent with their gender marker in DEERS or as reflected in an exception to policy (ETP) for that individual.”

 

DEERS is a database that contains information for active-duty, retired and reserve service members and their families, as well as civilians and others who are entitled to health care benefits. Hecht said exceptions can be approved “to permit real-life experience (RLE) in a work environment and pronoun use would align with the preferred gender in that case.”

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When asked if a Navy member can be punished for using language like “hi guys” rather than “inclusive” language like “hi team,” Hecht said the Navy “does not mandate formulaic language for its members,” but it does set “the expectation of respect and dignity by and for its Sailors and civilians.”

 

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/06/us-navy-says-itll-punish-sailors-who-misuse-gender-pronouns-intentionally/

 

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4 hours ago, rmgill said:

You'd think as organized as they are, they'd make a point to have a goy that lives in the building to take care of such tasks for a nominal retainer. 

They literally did that! There were some randos who specialized in it for a nominal fee. I used to make fun of them a lot until I saw an oldster with a number tattooed on his forearm. Saw a couple of those tatts when I was living in a Polish neighborhood in Brooklyn as well. 

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1 hour ago, lucklucky said:

US Navy says it’ll punish sailors who misuse gender pronouns intentionally

 

 

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/06/us-navy-says-itll-punish-sailors-who-misuse-gender-pronouns-intentionally/

 

IMO, the real harassment is forcing people to affirm the absurd.  I really would like to see this tested.  If a sailor can force another to address them in a manner contrary to their natural gender, how is it fundamentally different from a seaman declaring they now identify as an Admiral and all others should address and treat him with the same respect they would any other admiral?

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