Adam_S Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 Presumably it wouldn't be that hard to adapt Taurus to carry a nuclear warhead. The bigger issue would be convincing somebody to give you the warhead to put in there.
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 The Americans arent, if it doesnt help their defence industry. The French might, except it would mean enfranchising the NATO they want to do away with. We might, except we seem to be getting out of the designing nuclear weapons business and just making do with Yankee designs. Sooo.... Perhaps we can get the Russians or Chinese to design it? Business is business right?
seahawk Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear weapons forbids Germany from developing their own nukes or getting control over nukes from other countries. Even the current nuclear sharing with the US is questionable in that regard, but predates the NPT.
BansheeOne Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 Interestingly new defense minister Christine Lambrecht is reported to have ordered another evaluation whether the F-35 could fill the nuclear participation and Eurofighter the ECM role. Though that could also be read as kicking the nuclear can further down the road.
Ssnake Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 Then again, for air-delivered deep strikes - the stealthier, the better.
BansheeOne Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 No argument, and in the end it may in fact speed up things since unlike the Superbug, the F-35 is already certified to carry the latest B61 variant. OTOH, more evaluation is a tried and true approach to delay an unwanted decision until it hopefully lands in the next government's lap.
seahawk Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 And the F-35 does not have a target out of service date by 2040 from the main user.
Ssnake Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, BansheeOne said: more evaluation is a tried and true approach to delay an unwanted decision until it hopefully lands in the next government's lap. Absolutely. "Death by trial".
DB Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 Defence Analysis (Francis Tusa) was quite scathing about the prospects of Super Hornets anywhere given how little the US Navy seems to like them nowadays. (This was in the context of the Canadians giving Boeing the big "fuck you" as Bombardier punishment, but seems fair enough.)
Josh Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 On 1/8/2022 at 7:07 AM, BansheeOne said: Interestingly new defense minister Christine Lambrecht is reported to have ordered another evaluation whether the F-35 could fill the nuclear participation and Eurofighter the ECM role. Though that could also be read as kicking the nuclear can further down the road. Why wouldn't the F-35 be capable of filling the ECM role? My understanding is that this wasn't an escort or broadband capability but more of a SEAD/DEAD role, which the F-35 is well equipped to do.
P Lakowski Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) On 4/20/2020 at 3:38 AM, Simon Tan said: F-15X. At least they can get to St Petersburg unrefuelled with a B61. wait that's a nuke ...your not actually suggesting.... .ohhh the horror ? I've clearly been away tooo long Edited January 10, 2022 by P Lakowski
BansheeOne Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 Well the decision seems officially reverted to buying 35 F-35 for the nuclear delivery role and 15 ECR Eurofighters, though the latter are still vaporware at this point. Thank God, I have to say; I could have lived with the Super Hornet, but it would have been a second-best insular solution.
BansheeOne Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 It hasn't been stated explicitely, but I assume the current decision for the above mix instead of the previously planned 30 Strike Super Hornets and 15 Growlers doesn't affect the 40-55 additional Eurofighters intended to replace the rest of the Tornado fleet in the general fighter-bomber role.
lucklucky Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 So there will be a ECR EF, makes sense. Would Italians be in it like for the Tornado ECR?
lucklucky Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) Not for SEAD. They still have Eurofighters, they even assemble them. Edited March 14, 2022 by lucklucky
Josh Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 22 hours ago, lucklucky said: So there will be a ECR EF, makes sense. Would Italians be in it like for the Tornado ECR? I feel like it would make more sense to just use the F-35 in that role and buy some extras; it is an out of the box SEAD/ECR aircraft anyway.
BansheeOne Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 The capability notified for the 2031 NATO defense planning framework isn't SEAD rather than stand-off/escort jamming. Though I suspect that the decision is partly political just like the previous one, i. e. throwing domestic industry (particularly Airbus and Hensoldt) a bone.
seahawk Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, BansheeOne said: The capability notified for the 2031 NATO defense planning framework isn't SEAD rather than stand-off/escort jamming. Though I suspect that the decision is partly political just like the previous one, i. e. throwing domestic industry (particularly Airbus and Hensoldt) a bone. Which makes sense. For once you do not need Stealth for the mission and keeping those system houses in business and working is essential for FCAS. The knowledge gained will surely be useful for FCAS.
lucklucky Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Josh said: I feel like it would make more sense to just use the F-35 in that role and buy some extras; it is an out of the box SEAD/ECR aircraft anyway. Not sure, Tornado ECR have a very sophisticated ESM system, they even took the guns out.
Josh Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 I can't imagine it is more sophisticated than F-35 given the pace of technology. F-35 has wide band coverage in 360 degrees and can triangulate among its fellow aircraft with a directional data link in effectively real time.
lucklucky Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) It has also 360 cover, it has antenna in various places and link 16 MIDS, but you are possibly right , with miniaturisation it might be possible F-35 is superior. Edited March 15, 2022 by lucklucky
Dawes Posted March 16, 2022 Author Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) I've seen "ECR" interpreted as "Electronic Combat Role" and "Electronic Combat/ Reconaissance". Is one more righter than the other? Edited March 16, 2022 by Dawes
lucklucky Posted March 16, 2022 Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Dawes said: I've seen "ECR" interpreted as "Electronic Combat Role" and "Electronic Combat/ Reconaissance". Is one more righter than the other? Electronic Combat/ Reconaissance For SEAD (with Harm missiles) and reconaissance, i beleive the initial version had an night IR recon system in the fuselage.
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