Dawes Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Still nothing official, but it appears to be inching close to reality: https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-order-45-fighter-jets-162946385.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 When I first read this I thought it may have been about Me410 Hornisse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Looks like it, though the SPD is opposed to it. https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/angeblich-heftiger-streit-in-koalition-kramp-karrenbauer-sagt-usa-kauf-von-45-kampfjets-zu/25754292.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 F-15X. At least they can get to St Petersburg unrefuelled with a B61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 So they are going to buy aircraft from a company requiring a 60 billion dollar bailout from the US Government, when they still have the ability (with their European partners) to build aircraft themselves? This seems not altogether well considered.https://www.chicagobusiness.com/manufacturing/boeing-seeks-60-billion-aerospace-bailout-amid-travel-collapse. If they want a long range strike platform, hang Stormshadow on Typhoon. A lot cheaper a solution I would have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Reasoning they have arrived at 'necessity' Super Hornet acquisition is very tortuous and does not resemble our Earth logic. It's better not to even try understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 The need is easy, They need something for SEAD and jamming and something that carries US nukes, preferably in one package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 The US is squeezing the Luftwaffe over the nuclear certification issue. And Airbus has overpromised and underdelivered so much, they have nobody but to blame themselves if customer confidence is eroding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 How hard its it to get nuclear certification? All you have to do is loft a shape I would have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 How hard its it to get nuclear certification? All you have to do is loft a shape I would have thought.It can't be too hard, because...Super Hornet doesn't have it.German plan relies on Super Hornet getting nuclear weapon compability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) Supposedly, nuclear certification for Super Hornet will be somewhat quicker and less costly than certifying Eurofighter. From what I've read, this process can take years. Edited April 20, 2020 by Dawes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 The US will make sure that the Eurofighter will take longer to get the certification than the Luftwaffe can keep the Tornados in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 For better or worse, the US plays hardball in this sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 For better or worse, the US plays hardball in this sector. And why wouldn't they? They want to sell their products, it's totally reasonable. If the Luftwaffe can get a good price, getting the Super Hornet & Growler sounds like a good deal. Who knows if Airbus can ever turn the Eurofighter into a workable strike platform for the Luftwaffe. Considering how these projects were going in the past, the Hornet might be a lot more viable in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 As far as long range, heavy strike aircraft, the F-15EX (or some variation) would seem to be a superior choice. And nuclear certification would be straightforward as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 F-15 might be better, but it has a price tag to match. F-18 should do what they want for much less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Lay down nuclear weapons are obsolete, why is this even a requirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 I suppose one consideration would be their ability (in theory) to be recalled at the last minute should that situation arise. Howver, depending on enemy jamming, equipment failure, etc. that may or may not be reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 If we are serious about tactical nuclear weapons, she should be developing stand off weapons like stormshadow. Any aircraft carrying the b61 may as well go up with the bomb, because it's not coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 I think even the USAF's new B-21 will undergo nuclear certification (although I stand to be corrected on that). Possibly this feature has been with us so long that it's just "part of the landscape" with new aircraft. It's a little early to speculate, but presumably the Luftwaffe Hornets will be the newer "Block III" variants with conformal tanks, 9,000+ hour airframe, and other upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Lay down nuclear weapons are obsolete, why is this even a requirement? The B-61 Mod12 is not a simple laydown weapon, it's more like a nuclear JDAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I have heard the SuperHornet is not nuclear certified as the USN no longer carries nuclear weapons on carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Based on what it needs, I don't think the Luftwaffe is going to get a good price. I think it will be lucky if it doesn't get screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Could be FMS or (possibly) a direct commercial sale, if the laws/regulations permit. I believe FMS has additional costs as they do all the paperwork involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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