Made In China

[bojan]

Thing is, most companies skip on QC heavily and hope for the best, even if the potential failure of the product is potentially hazardous in monetary sense, since they reason that they will save more money by not having real QC.

[Corinthian]

Apple.

Indeed.

 

I'll believe in people following don't-buy-made-in-China when people stop buying overpriced Apple shit and Apple leaves China for other places to manufacture its overpriced shit.

Edited April 26, 2020 by Corinthian

[Nobu]

I'll believe it when GM stops selling to China.

[Simon Tan]

GM is even less Murrican than Apple. Have been for a very long time.

[Roman Alymov]

China seizes 89 million poor quality masks

As of Friday, more than 89 million masks found to be non-compliant have been seized as well as 418,000 pieces of protective equipment, said at a press conference an official of the administration of market supervision, Gan Linen.
(Beijing) China said on Sunday it had seized some 89 million non-compliant masks during the COVID-19 pandemic, as the country strives to allay fears about the quality of the medical equipment being exported.

https://www.lapresse.ca/international/asie-et-oceanie/202004/26/01-5270954-la-chine-saisit-89-millions-de-masques-de-mauvaise-qualite.php

[Martin M]

and

when it has calmed down a bit everyone will be back to buying cheap Chinese products.

 

As I said ALL products need to VISIBLY declared as to origin of manufacture(s) / procurement(s) of materials.

 

ESPECIALLY food products. I don´t want food products or parts thereof " Made in China " .

 

 

Demand to know origins.

Save your receipts.

Return bad products no matter how cheap they were, and demand money back.

And cuss a little too ( those at the refund counter don´t care anyway).

[bojan]

...

ESPECIALLY food products. I don´t want food products or parts thereof " Made in China " .

...

 

Next to impossible.

[Roman Alymov]

Small Moldavia city on Romania border attempted to thank China....

[GregShaw]

Over Portland, pretty appropriate.

[Jeff]

 

...

ESPECIALLY food products. I don´t want food products or parts thereof " Made in China " .

...

 

Next to impossible.

 

"made from domestic and international ingredients"

[Coldsteel]

Small Moldavia city on Romania border attempted to thank China....

Wow, that 9 dash line is really getting out of hand.

[bojan]

"made from domestic and international ingredients"

 

Europe buys most of the bulk ascorbic acid (aka Vitamin C) from China, refines it and puts it in the pills, drinks etc. It is always there, you can not awoid it with utterly gutted chemical industry.

I don't even want to think about nasty but necessarily stuff in the food production.

[Rick]

 

...

ESPECIALLY food products. I don´t want food products or parts thereof " Made in China " .

...

 

Next to impossible.

 

Interesting question. Here in the Midwest of the U.S.A., the only Chinese food I have seen from China was in a box with Chinese characters on it in a Chinese restaurant. And that had the words "Hong Kong" on it.

[Soren Ras]

If you are looking for "Made in China" for food items, you pretty much need to go to a specialty store around here. The problem is rather - as Bojan pointed out - that parts of foodstuffs, like certain vitamins and other common additives, do not have origin indicated and often do turn out to come from China.

 

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Soren

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

Apple.

Indeed.

 

I'll believe in people following don't-buy-made-in-China when people stop buying overpriced Apple shit and Apple leaves China for other places to manufacture its overpriced shit.

 

You point to an interesting trait with modern and bloated high tech manufacturers. I worked for a company that made vacuum cleaners in the UK. High priced, boutique style vacuum cleaners you might say. So they claimed, somewhat improbably, they couldnt make them in the UK for what they cost, and moved all the manufacturing to China. And they continued selling them in the UK at exactly the same price. Which led me to believe that what they were doing was not saving themselves from going bust, it was just to maintain their smugly complacent profit margin.

 

The only satisfaction I get from it, is that im convinced all manufacturers like that are going to go to the wall.

[Corinthian]

Just nuke the hell out of China, which will force countries to relocate their manufacturing in their own countries or friendlier ones.

[Jeff]

Just nuke the hell out of China, which will force countries to relocate their manufacturing in their own countries or friendlier ones.

 

Don't you have some kind of orbital satellite that can lay waste to them, Herr Doktor?

[GregShaw]

 

Just nuke the hell out of China, which will force countries to relocate their manufacturing in their own countries or friendlier ones.

 

Don't you have some kind of orbital satellite that can lay waste to them, Herr Doktor?

 

Would have to pay him One Million Dollars.

[JasonJ]

 

 

Just nuke the hell out of China, which will force countries to relocate their manufacturing in their own countries or friendlier ones.

 

Don't you have some kind of orbital satellite that can lay waste to them, Herr Doktor?

Would have to pay him One Million Dollars.

That's a lot of money. I reckon all TNers couldn't collectively donate that sum

[Roman Alymov]

Russian text - "Made in Russia"

[JasonJ]

 

 

 

one of our suppliers offered us Chinese masks

we declined...

Unfortunately, China is the biggest mask producer. But if human interaction is reduced, times when a mask would be helpful is reduced.

 

On the matter of mask production, the Taiwan government says its country produces 13 million a day and aiming for 15 million a day. With that, it claimed to be the second highest mask producing country. They're donating 7 million to Europe, 2 million to the US, and another million to other countries that have official diplomatic status with Taiwan.https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200401/p2g/00m/0in/093000c

 

ROK makes about 10 million mask a day for itself as of early March.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-masks/across-asia-countries-race-to-boost-face-mask-supplies-idUSKBN20T16A

 

For Japan, as of March, mask making companies were in the process of ramping up production but reported numbers add up to perhaps about 70 million in March, or 2.3 million per day. Kowa (12 million aiming for 27), Sharp (4.5 million aiming for 15 million), Unicharm (the biggest) (50 million per month aiming for 100 million), and there's probably a few more makers. One Japanese company called Airisu Ohyama makes 80 million per month but at a facility in China. They are going to make a facility in Japan that will produce 60 million per month and begin operation in June. So by June, if previous mentioned companies hit their stated goals and keep it at that, total may be 202 million a month in Japan, or 6.7 million a day.

 

But for a country with 120 million population, if half use a mask in one day, that's 60 million used and thrown out in one day. Japanese government wants to hand out everyone 2 washable masks. Upon hearing the news, it got quite a lot of mockery, but considering how quickly masks get used up, washable masks starts to make more sense.https://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/spv/2004/02/news133.htmlhttps://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200311/k10012326051000.html

-this post has been edited many times because of math and regular Japanese counter "man" 万 which equals 10,000 so is different from US/Europe base counter being "thousand". Also mixing up rates giving in days and months. But I think the numbers are correct now, although some companise still left out in the Japanese part-

So Europe, who would sell them out to the ChiComs in a heartbeat gets 7M and the US who has promised to defend them with US blood and treasure gets 2M?

Well the article says 2 million + 100,000 weekly suuply while a weekly supply doesn't seem to be part of the Europe batch.

For selling out to the ChiComs, I think we all do it.. US, Japan, EU, South East Asia.

But I did think the ratio could have been in a way that emphasized greater appreciation towards the US, like instead of 2, 7, 1.. maybe 5, 4, 1 instead. It's not much to say but, it doesn't look like Japan is getting any from Taiwan.

As bad as New York is right now, Europe seems to be in worse shoes. Taiwan's thinking might be that their donation to EU may serve as a counter to PRC donations over there as competition for political favor regarding WHO and such.

To follow up, Taiwan is sending out another bundle of masks of 7.07 million mask. 1.09 going to diplomatic allies. 2.28 million going to the US. 1.8 million to southbond countries (ASEAN, etc), 1.3 million to the EU, and 600,000 going to ME and Africa. Two weeks ago, they sent 2 million to Japan.

 

Taiwan is to donate 7.07 million masks for medical personnel in the nations diplomatic allies, the US, Europe, New Southbound Policy countries, as well as nations in Africa and the Middle East, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) said yesterday.

 

The government made the decision after ensuring that domestic needs have been met and the recipient nations had said they hoped Taiwan would donate more masks, ministry spokeswoman Joanne Ou (歐江安) told a news briefing in Taipei.

 

She said 1.09 million masks would go to the 15 diplomatic allies; 2.28 million would go to the US government and states hit hard by the virus; 1.3 million to the EU headquarters and some member states; 1.8 million to New Southbound Policy partner countries; and 600,000 to some African and Middle Eastern countries as well as medics helping Syrian refugees.

 

The masks are guaranteed to be medical quality, she added.

 

The donation would be Taiwans third wave of international humanitarian assistance, following the more than 17 million masks dispatched last month, Ou said.

 

More than 480,000 Taiwanese have donated unused masks from their ration of nine adult masks or 10 childrens masks per person per 14 days through a mobile app developed by the National Health Insurance Administration, totaling 3.93 million masks as of yesterday, Ou said.

 

The number of mask donations might continue to increase, she said, adding that recipients would be determined separately.

 

The government would negotiate the means of transportation with the recipients, although it would first consider flights operated by EVA Airways and China Airlines, she said.

 

Taiwan is continuing to expand its anti-pandemic cooperation with the US, Europe and other countries to develop treatments and vaccines for the novel coronavirus, Ou said.

 

The nations daily mask production capacity last month reached 17 million, Minister of Economic Affairs Shen Jong-chin (沈榮津) said on Tuesday last week.

 

The number is expected to reach 19 million by the middle of this month, after the government obtained more production lines from the private sector, he said.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2020/05/06/2003735914

 

 

CHIBA, Japan (Kyodo) -- Some 2 million face masks donated by Taiwan arrived in Japan on Tuesday for delivery to public hospitals and special schools across the country in its fight against the coronavirus pandemic.

 

The move came after the Taiwanese government responded to a request from a cross-party group of lawmakers aimed at fostering friendly relations between Japan and Taiwan.

 

"We'd like to again express our sincere gratitude to the warm cheers and support from Taiwan," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told a press conference.

 

"We will continue boosting our cooperation with related countries and regions against the new coronavirus, which is a threat to all humankind," the top government spokesman said.

 

Representatives from both Japan and Taiwan were present on the tarmac at Narita airport near Tokyo as they watched the masks being carried out of an aircraft.

 

Taiwan at one point lacked masks but has since achieved a daily production of 15 million masks and succeeded in meeting domestic demand after its government asked the private sector to increase mask production.

 

Taiwan has also donated 10 million face masks to the United States, European nations and diplomatic allies earlier this month.

 

The pandemic has claimed over 270 lives in Japan so far, with nearly 12,000 infected. Taiwan had six deaths and 420 infected as of Sunday.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200421/p2g/00m/0na/079000c

Edited May 6, 2020 by JasonJ

[Ssnake]

China's anti-ship missiles seem to work, at least.

[Murph]

Iran has scored an own goal with a Chinese C-802 missile, sinking one of its own ships: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/05/10/iran-sinks-its-own-battleship-n389671

[lucklucky]

Continue to not have a clue of what is the international trade. Fault obviously of journalists and newspapers that seldom print relevant news.

 

GM sells more cars/trucks in China than in USA.

 

A trope i listen and read about China:

- Chinese workers are poor, it is fascinating to see that people from capitalist countries and entitle themselves pro-capitalists don't understand the effects of capitalism. Who buys the GM cars there? smartphones etc?

For some pro-capitalist people the world is fixed in a place and never changes, bizarre. Well in 1950 US produced 80% of all vehicles. Now it is around 15%.

 

Putting on numbers : China produces 27M vehicles while US 11M vehicles that is the nature of change in a couple of decades. In others areas the change is even more abrupt.

 

Want manufacturers back? strangely i don't see any cultural change for that. Who wants their kids working in a factory? What i see in Western society is that political-journalists dominates everything with objective of promoting politics as the beginning and the end. A totalitarian world.

So lawyers, regulators,some soft engineering, doctors, social work. So no, there will not be manufacturing back unless poverty returns.

Things will be even worse because creativity is being destroyed, by the normalization of thought by TV, Media, school.

[Rick]

Continue to not have a clue of what is the international trade. Fault obviously of journalists and newspapers that seldom print relevant news.

 

GM sells more cars/trucks in China than in USA.

 

A trope i listen and read about China:

- Chinese workers are poor, it is fascinating to see that people from capitalist countries and entitle themselves pro-capitalists don't understand the effects of capitalism. Who buys the GM cars there? smartphones etc?

For some pro-capitalist people the world is fixed in a place and never changes, bizarre. Well in 1950 US produced 80% of all vehicles. Now it is around 15%.

 

Putting on numbers : China produces 27M vehicles while US 11M vehicles that is the nature of change in a couple of decades. In others areas the change is even more abrupt.

 

Want manufacturers back? strangely i don't see any cultural change for that. Who wants their kids working in a factory? What i see in Western society is that political-journalists dominates everything with objective of promoting politics as the beginning and the end. A totalitarian world.

So lawyers, regulators,some soft engineering, doctors, social work. So no, there will not be manufacturing back unless poverty returns.

Things will be even worse because creativity is being destroyed, by the normalization of thought by TV, Media, school.

In 1950 the U.S. was the only major producer of any non-military manufactured products in the world. It is inevitable that several decades later the rest of the world's manufacturing percentage would increase while the U.S. would decrease. In regards to the U.S. automobile industry, much of this was self-inflected with the poor quality U.S. cars in the '70's and '80's. I do and will agree with you on the negative role journalists, regulators, and social workers --ie, "soft" and worthless college courses have done to society. Manufacturing and trades -- plumbers, electricians, etc. are making a comeback for those who are willing to get their hands dirty and accept responsibility for a work ethic. Google Mike Rowe.

Edited May 11, 2020 by Rick