Made In China

[Tim the Tank Nut]

from the other thread:

 

Chinese manufacturing quality is terrible.

Products don't last like they should

Chinese metal is substandard.

 

People who make their living building and making things can't use Chinese tools. Consumers can get away with using Chinese products because their income doesn't rely on it

[lucklucky]

Thanks for opening the topic.

 

Disagree. For a start many of complex products have a component that was made in China. Smartphones, computers, etc .

 

The span.

 

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Edited March 16, 2020 by lucklucky

[Mikel2]

You can make quality products in China, but you have to pay for quality.

 

I do wonder how much innovation is taking place there. To me, an authoritarian system with no respect for intellectual property is not a fertile ground for innovation.

Edited March 16, 2020 by Mikel2

[Wobbly Head]

There is one product that defies that definition the Norinco M1911 has a reputation for good steel and all milled construction and is a prefered base for custom guns. Shame you can't get it down there.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

my experience with Chinese metal has been pretty negative.

Overall the Chinese can seem to make a batch of whatever to pass inspection but once the item is "good enough" quality suffers terribly on things not inspected.

[Nobu]

You can make quality products in China, but you have to pay for quality.

 

I do wonder how much innovation is taking place there. To me, an authoritarian system with no respect for intellectual property is not a fertile ground for innovation.

 

Chinese products produced under the oversight and management of Japanese firms steeped in a culture of strict quality control and the foreign worker as a member of the Japan Inc team cover certain requirements nicely. Grand Seiko production would not be moved there, but componentry and finished goods for other markets can be and has been.

 

The quality of Chinese products made under the oversight and management of other nationalities appears inconsistent at best.

 

There may be blame to go around beyond the worker drones here.

[lucklucky]

Well talking about drones DJI a Chinese company dominates the world market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJI it seems to be called Dà-Jiāng Innovations (Chinese: 大疆创新, "great frontier innovation")

 

 

What do you mean by the word "innovation" ?

 

Chinese are 1.4 billion, Germany have 83 milion so 16.8 more population even if they can only make say 1/100 innovation per capita of Germans it is still a sizable impact.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

not true on Japanese supervision

Honda automobile wiring harnesses made in China are far lower quality than one made in Japan circa 2003

[Nobu]

Not a surprise, and a controlled choice, factored into the decision making of Japanese executives entrusted with Honda quality.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

have them killed immediately

 

Honda quality is way down

[Colin]

The big issue with Chinese manufacturing is consistency. I had a Type 97 Bullpup absorb and direct away from me the result of 26 grains of titegroup in a .223 case. had it happened in my AR, I would have had a shredded arm and face.

[Nobu]

have them killed immediately

 

Honda quality is way down

 

Nothing is so good for the morale of lower management than to see a dead high-level manager

 

If his team is unable to manage the abridged set of quality controls entrusted to the Chinese manufacturing he is responsible for, he deserves blame, and whatever else may befall him.

 

Interesting and concerning observation about Honda quality. A particular make and model? Am thinking the Ridgeline.

Edited March 16, 2020 by Nobu

[R011]

Pour encourage les autres.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

collision repairs on the newer model sedans are all problematic. Anything China sourced continues to be too fragile.

You'd have to see where the Ridgeline is built

 

 

Also each time China talks about cutting off pharmaceuticals I hope recordings are being made

[bojan]

Speaking about my experience with Chinese made tools.

Thing is, those products, as crappy as they are have allowed number of people to pursue their hobbies/small side business.

I have bought Chinese mini-lathe, for about 500 Euro. Yes, it is all sort of crappy, but it has enabled me to go with my hobby where I could never go before. I have also bought some of the leatherworking tools - i had to hone them a bit, but they are pretty good and compare very well with anything not top shelf.

Now, if you are buying 500$ lathe and expecting it to do all sort of heavy profesional work - it will be an utter crap. But as long as you know what you are getting into - there is plenty of the useful things that you can buy.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

Harbor Freight has made an empire out of such tools.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

I've seen more than one report that Chinese export masks are substandard.

It's hard to believe that their Wuhan Virus test kits are top notch material.

If the Chinese donate faulty test kits to Italy then isn't that boosting the likelihood of the virus spreading?

[Roman Alymov]

Chinese manufacturers are producing what market demand from them. How many people in our days are ready to pay for something that will serve them lifetime and then be used by grandchildren, like it was common for products of pre-1960th?

[Tim the Tank Nut]

1 at least.

I need my tools to work.

 

I've seen products that come out of China with a ghastly quality. I wonder who makes the nuts and bolts for their military hardware because it isn't likely that they are held together with Chinese fasteners. When we were building tanks we'd re-use a 1940's vintage bolt way before using a modern equivalent.

[Martin M]

I could write pages o

 

Chinese manufacturers are producing what market demand from them. How many people in our days are ready to pay for something that will serve them lifetime and then be used by grandchildren, like it was common for products of pre-1960th?

Had to buy a tap while at friends place. The drills (plural ! ) needed beforehand became dull in an instant, or broke under slight pressure. The tap broke after 2 times 2mm hole-taping. Went across town to the last remaining hardware store, got decent drills and tap. Work was done in minutes, the stuff was the same price as Home Depot junk, and the drill and tap will still be good in 5 years. I have tape that are 60 years old, and still good.)

 

I could write pages on this. Chinese products xxx have been and are almost to be expected near to useless as soon as they are unpacked.

Either the stuff breaks down immediately or after very short "work" life. And we are not talking cheap(useless) vs professional, but cheap(useless) vs normal layman quality. Layman quality as it used to be; usefull for normal work and with a good user life.

 

The market did´nt demand the stuff. The companies that used to produce a certain product, started imported instead at way lower prices and fed the junk to customers that were used to a certain standard. People like cheapness; they think they are making a good buy. But they buy crap.

 

The home depots etc are FULL of this stuff. Unpack, try it out, be happy if you don´t injure yourself and throw it away before the wife sees you bought junk.

 

Gets me angry, but I try not to care anymore. It´s way too late anyway. 20 years too late. Appeasement abounds whenever I point out to someone the useless crap they purchased, and here also as usual.

 

What has me most angry NOW is the matter that FOOD is increasingly coming from China, and it is not declared. You do not know what you are buying.

I want foods to be labeled in DETAIL as to where it originates and was processed. No problem nowadays.

 

Oh shit, keep buying the stuff guys. I´m off to bed.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Martin M

[Martin M]

The big issue with Chinese manufacturing is consistency. I had a Type 97 Bullpup absorb and direct away from me the result of 26 grains of titegroup in a .223 case. had it happened in my AR, I would have had a shredded arm and face.

 

 

Consistency

 

They just do not care, or it is planned and both.

[Martin M]

Speaking about my experience with Chinese made tools.

Thing is, those products, as crappy as they are have allowed number of people to pursue their hobbies/small side business.

I have bought Chinese mini-lathe, for about 500 Euro. Yes, it is all sort of crappy, but it has enabled me to go with my hobby where I could never go before. I have also bought some of the leatherworking tools - i had to hone them a bit, but they are pretty good and compare very well with anything not top shelf.

Now, if you are buying 500$ lathe and expecting it to do all sort of heavy profesional work - it will be an utter crap. But as long as you know what you are getting into - there is plenty of the useful things that you can buy.

Yes, this is a factor. But keep us informed about your fingers, and ruined workpieces. And if the thing is still functioning in 10 years.

[bojan]

What it can and what it can not do, from one of my favorite channels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05vUCdzhoe4

 

Nothing so far was ruined. I use it to work with plastic, aluminium, brass, wood and very occasionally steel (if I need serious work I commision it from a neighbour who has a serious lathe) , so it will probably last me a lifetime (motor is considered a replaceable part in lathes).

Things I have replaced were main bearings (generally recommended to do so, they are also replaceable parts in any lathe) and gears (no problem with originals, but I wanted lower gearing ratio).

 

PS. Friend from Croatia worked welding QC in the Chinese shipyard for a while. Stories he told....

[Roman Alymov]

I could write pages o

 

Chinese manufacturers are producing what market demand from them. How many people in our days are ready to pay for something that will serve them lifetime and then be used by grandchildren, like it was common for products of pre-1960th?

Had to buy a tap while at friends place. The drills (plural ! ) needed beforehand became dull in an instant, or broke under slight pressure. The tap broke after 2 times 2mm hole-taping. Went across town to the last remaining hardware store, got decent drills and tap. Work was done in minutes, the stuff was the same price as Home Depot junk, and the drill and tap will still be good in 5 years. I have tape that are 60 years old, and still good.)

 

The basic thing to understand is that you, final user, is not customer for Chinese producer - but trade chains are. They are the ones ordering goods, controlling quality and setting final price. Sellers do not care if it will fall apart in your hands, it is cheaper for them to replace faulty product with another one (also faulty). Now it is next to impossible to buy something new not "Made in China" (or other 3rd world producers from Vietnam to Poland), so here in Russia people are hunting for old Soviet tools (and, no surprise, local businesses are putting old Soviet labels or "made in Russia" on foreign tools).

Everything for profit

[Martin M]

What it can and what it can not do, from one of my favorite channels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05vUCdzhoe4

 

Nothing so far was ruined. I use it to work with plastic, aluminium, brass, wood and very occasionally steel (if I need serious work I commision it from a neighbour who has a serious lathe) , so it will probably last me a lifetime (motor is considered a replaceable part in lathes).

Things I have replaced were main bearings (generally recommended to do so, they are also replaceable parts in any lathe) and gears (no problem with originals, but I wanted lower gearing ratio).

 

PS. Friend from Croatia worked welding QC in the Chinese shipyard for a while. Stories he told....

 

 

hah goucha

 

Lathe 60 + years, used and used and also misused a lot. Never changed anything.

Had to throw away fabulous 3 phase grinder, also about 60, when switch housing broke. Could not get a repalcement; my electrical (professional) friends could not help, so anyway as safety features had all been removed to facilitate misuse, I got rid of it and bought a new semi-professional grinder ( is ok, but not like the old one, sniff).

 

BTW bought (yes, I am also guilty sometimes) a cheap Chinese one in small size for finer work, I thot. Well after 3 months a workpiece got caught in between wheel and housing. It pratically disintegrated itself. Was amazed at how thin a cast housing can be made.