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I don't think covid-19 is going to knock out the power and water but we have seen as in Italy the panic that clears out the shelves in the grocery stores. So that is what I prepare for. I don't want to be eating MREs dropped from helicopters.

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I don't think covid-19 is going to knock out the power and water but we have seen as in Italy the panic that clears out the shelves in the grocery stores. So that is what I prepare for. I don't want to be eating MREs dropped from helicopters.

I agree completely, water is more an academic exercise, but it doesn't hurt nor cost me anything but a few sqr feet in my garage.

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WA state has declared a state of emergency.

 

Fire department in Kirkland is under quarantine.

 

1st death in US was a resident at a nursing home also in Kirkland. Over 50 other suspected cases at said home.

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/coronavirus-death-seattle-washington-state/

 

Biggest problem is that we're only testing people for a very narrow combination of circumstances. So very few cases reported.

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Biggest problem is that we're only testing people for a very narrow combination of circumstances. So very few cases reported.

Biggest problem is hysterical panic.

 

Don't panic

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Biggest problem is that we're only testing people for a very narrow combination of circumstances. So very few cases reported.

Biggest problem is hysterical panic.

No, paranoia in the face of a new pandemic is prudent.

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No, paranoia in the face of a new pandemic is prudent.

 

Delusion and irrational thought is prudent?

You're describing delusional paranoia. I'm talking about a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others.

 

See:

https://www.academia.edu/41743064/Systemic_Risk_of_Pandemic_via_Novel_Pathogens_-_Coronavirus_A_Note

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WA state has declared a state of emergency.

 

Fire department in Kirkland is under quarantine.

 

1st death in US was a resident at a nursing home also in Kirkland. Over 50 other suspected cases at said home.

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/coronavirus-death-seattle-washington-state/

 

Biggest problem is that we're only testing people for a very narrow combination of circumstances. So very few cases reported.

 

What is interesting about the Washington cluster is that the current cases are genetically directly related to the first reported US case that was picked up in January, also in Snohomish County. The index patient there came in from Wuhan in mid-January and went to the hospital in Everett with symptoms, where he was treated. He was discharged after two weeks and sent into home isolation.

 

So that suggests there was some transmission back then either in the hospital or from the patient himself before or after his stay and the virus was circulating in the region for about a month. A virologist from Seattle estimates the size of the cluster at a few hundred people.

 

More information in this thread: https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970271318503426

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Delusion and irrational thought is prudent?

 

 

Not if it can be helped. The U.S. has been given a grace period so far, it appears. I am actually optimistic about how Americans will handle themselves if it expires.

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Confirmed cases in Germany go up from 66 to 117 today.

 

BERLIN (Reuters) -- The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Germany has jumped to 117 from 66, the Robert Koch Institute for disease control said on Sunday.

 

A German government crisis committee has widened cross-border travel guidelines and canceled major international events, and the health minister has advised people with cold symptoms to stay away from mass events.

 

More than half of the cases are in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany's most populous state where several schools and day care centers will be closed on Monday to try to prevent the spread of the virus after staff members tested positive.

 

Interior Minister Horst Seehofer told the mass-selling Bild am Sonntag newspaper that he expected a vaccine for the coronavirus to be available by the end of the year.

 

Asked if Germany would be ready to lock down cities and regions to control the epidemic, Seehofer said: "This would be the last resort." He did not say what needs to happen for Germany to enact such drastic measures.

 

Finance Minister Olaf Scholz said in remarks published on Sunday that Germany would be in a position to introduce fiscal stimulus measures should the coronavirus spark a global economic crisis.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Coronavirus-cases-in-Germany-jump-to-117

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3 more dead in ROK, making 20 total. The recent three were 80+ and had other medical conditions.

 

SEOUL, March 1 (Yonhap) -- South Korea reported three more novel coronavirus-related deaths in the southeastern city of Daegu on Sunday, bringing the country's death toll to 20.

 

 

 

An 86-year-old woman, who had been in self-quarantine at her residence while waiting to be hospitalized after it was confirmed she had COVID-19, was transferred to a hospital early Sunday but died due to dyspnea, according to the Daegu government.

 

She the underlying diseases diabetes and hyperlipidemia, it added.

 

Another victim was an 80-year-old male patient who had been to a clinic in the neighboring county of Chilgok. He tested positive on Friday and had been hospitalized, the government said, adding that he had long suffered from hypertension.

 

Earlier in the day, an 83-year-old patient in Daegu died, according to Kwon Jun-wook, a Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) official, at a press briefing. He had suffered a stroke and had hypertension.

 

As of 4 p.m., South Korea had reported a total of 3,736 confirmed cases. Of the total, more than 70 percent of the cases are in Daegu, with a cluster of infections linked to the Shincheonji Church of Jesus.

https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200301003651320?section=national/national

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Moreover, why do we still get fucking American domestic partisan hysterics in a global pandemic thread?

Because politics interferes with it the same way it does with other countries. You yourself noted the lack of privacy with regards to positive testing, that itself is a political angle. CDC and Department of Labor rules indicate that if a US employer has a worker who tests positive, they're not allowed to release the name of the infected co-worker due to privacy concerns. Those privacy concerns are a form of political interference.

Are you posting out of loyalty to Jeff or do you really not see a difference between general information about ROK testing on side and that fake Schumer tweet on the other?

 

No, I'm observing that if a person has a highly communicable disease that any information about such specific status should not be released at all seems partisan political decisions. It's like the idea that an HIV+ person who goes around having unprotected sex shouldn't be responsible for such transmission.

 

This is apparently something that arose from HIPPA....?

 

A coworker is sick. lets call him Bob. Bob gets sick and might have COVID 19...he goes to his doctor and tests positive. Should work be able to tell it's staff, hey, go get checked if you show any symptoms and if you had contact with Bob.

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A coworker is sick. lets call him Bob. Bob gets sick and might have COVID 19...he goes to his doctor and tests positive. Should work be able to tell it's staff, hey, go get checked if you show any symptoms and if you had contact with Bob.

 

Who told work that Bob tested for anything specific? Work only knows what Bob tells them, and yes, if Bob tells them that he tested positive for a contagious disease, work should notify the entire staff and anybody else with whom Bob might have come in contact. Moreover, should Bob tell work that he tested positive for a contagious disease, work should tell Bob not to return until cleared by doctor.

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if we had a real nation, with a functional society, with functional government where you didn't need to constantly consider the angles which they try and screw you, Bob would simply be quarantined, and the outbreak would be controlled. Much as could have been done with AIDS. But since we don't have that, might as well debate how many angels dance on the head of a pin.

 

As of right now, the infection rates may approach the Spanish Flu level, but lethality rates are considerably lower, at least in reliable reporting areas. From the macro level, it's a good thing, it will likely reduce general fragility, and perhaps the smarter people in every nation will observe why globalism, and it's inherent fragility are stupid and evil. S/F....Ken M

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A coworker is sick. lets call him Bob. Bob gets sick and might have COVID 19...he goes to his doctor and tests positive. Should work be able to tell it's staff, hey, go get checked if you show any symptoms and if you had contact with Bob.

 

Who told work that Bob tested for anything specific? Work only knows what Bob tells them, and yes, if Bob tells them that he tested positive for a contagious disease, work should notify the entire staff and anybody else with whom Bob might have come in contact. Moreover, should Bob tell work that he tested positive for a contagious disease, work should tell Bob not to return until cleared by doctor.
In a more realistic scenario Bob is feeling sick possibily with Covid 19 but Bob is barely employed after his hours have been cut due to supply shortages he does not have enough hours or earn enough to qualify for medical insurance. Does Bob work sick till he has no choice but work till he has to go to emergency or some other poor co worker has to do the same before one of them is confirmed with Vivid 19. That's the probable scenario what is going to play out when it gets out into the real world. Edited by Wobbly Head
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Went to the grocery store last night to top off our supplies. The only empty shelves I noticed were in the toilet paper section, which frankly is par for the course for that store -- they like to let name brands run out, once in a while, to get customers to try their store brand.

My take-away is that people aren't panic-buying/hording yet. Maybe they won't.

At the rate our chickens are laying eggs right now, they could provide for about 25% of our calorie requirements, which isn't bad. It means with four months worth of stored food we could actually last five months without resupply. We could increase the size of the flock, but that's limited by how much biomass we can collect for them to eat. It's an easily maintainable size right now.

I'm not too worried about the virus per se. Mostly I'm worried about people's reactions to the virus. Media hype has got everyone wound up.

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WA state has declared a state of emergency.

 

Fire department in Kirkland is under quarantine.

 

1st death in US was a resident at a nursing home also in Kirkland. Over 50 other suspected cases at said home.

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/coronavirus-death-seattle-washington-state/

 

Biggest problem is that we're only testing people for a very narrow combination of circumstances. So very few cases reported.

 

What is interesting about the Washington cluster is that the current cases are genetically directly related to the first reported US case that was picked up in January, also in Snohomish County. The index patient there came in from Wuhan in mid-January and went to the hospital in Everett with symptoms, where he was treated. He was discharged after two weeks and sent into home isolation.

 

So that suggests there was some transmission back then either in the hospital or from the patient himself before or after his stay and the virus was circulating in the region for about a month. A virologist from Seattle estimates the size of the cluster at a few hundred people.

 

More information in this thread: https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970271318503426

 

Doesn't that thread basically outline the best case scenario is happening? It looks like it's been spreading unawares up in Washington for over a month, there's possibly hundreds who have or have had it, and we have all of one fatality from a man who had underlying health issues.

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