Covid-19 Pandemic

[R011]

 

 

 

 

 

No he put a person in charge who wanted to pray before deciding what to do about a crisis back in his home State.

Which crisis?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html

A New York Times article about a Mid Western Conservative, Christian leader Yea, right. Morality and prayer go hand-in-hand for Christians. Let me help you out; no choosing drugs, no need for needle exchange. Abstinence works every time it is tried.

And if every one was as actually observant as you prefer, there would be no problem.

 

Real life and human nature aren't that neat and weren't even when conservative Christian morality was mainstream both socially and politically.

[Der Zeitgeist]

A New York Times article about a Mid Western Conservative, Christian leader Yea, right. Morality and prayer go hand-in-hand for Christians. Let me help you out; no choosing drugs, no need for needle exchange. Abstinence works every time it is tried.

 

 

Bristol Palin would like to have a word with you about abstinence.

[Rick]

 

A New York Times article about a Mid Western Conservative, Christian leader Yea, right. Morality and prayer go hand-in-hand for Christians. Let me help you out; no choosing drugs, no need for needle exchange. Abstinence works every time it is tried.

 

 

Bristol Palin would like to have a word with you about abstinence.

 

Christians are not perfect, but we are forgiven To be honest, I don't follow the Palins, but I would wager they are employed and make better choices about life than liberals their age.

[Rick]

 

 

 

 

No he put a person in charge who wanted to pray before deciding what to do about a crisis back in his home State.

Which crisis?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html

A New York Times article about a Mid Western Conservative, Christian leader Yea, right. Morality and prayer go hand-in-hand for Christians. Let me help you out; no choosing drugs, no need for needle exchange. Abstinence works every time it is tried.

And if every one was as actually observant as you prefer, there would be no problem.

 

Real life and human nature aren't that neat and weren't even when conservative Christian morality was mainstream both socially and politically.

 

Your correct. But to explain further, choices have consequences and most consequences do not begin as bundles of straw.

[BansheeOne]

I'm still peeved I'm not seeing more of this on more mainstream news sources. I saw a piece on the NewsHour the other night for the first time in ages and they were talking about the virus. They had a former CDC official who was basically saying everything that can and should be done on the government's part is being done and at least twice he tried to add in what individuals should be doing and instead the host cut him off to try and push a failing of Trump. Was really... sad.

Yes, if only people wouldn't bring the usual tiresome and totally unhelpful politics into debate on how to deal with a pandemic.

[Rick]

 

 

 

 

The Left is trying to say Trump isn't taking this seriously. I'm old enough to remember when Trump created a CV taskforce and all the Left could do was claim it was too white. That was all the way back in the olden days of January 30th.

The Left is salivating at the thought of the CV going, well, viral, with thousands and thousands of dead littering the streets. Sick fucking freaks.

Warren genuinely seems like the sort of "will somebody please think of the children" type. So that would be at least one that wouldn't fit your broad brush. I don't think Josh would either.

If Warren was genuinely concerned about children she would not be in favor of abortion.

No, she is very much of that type:

MODERATOR: Just this weekend, Louisiana re-elected a Democratic governor, John Bel Edwards. He has signed one of the country’s toughest laws restricting abortion. Is there room in the Democratic Party for someone like him? Someone who can win in a deep red state but who does not support abortion rights? Senator Warren.

 

ELIZABETH WARREN: I believe that abortion rights are human rights. I believe that they are also economic rights. And protecting the right of a woman to be able to make decisions about her own body is fundamentally what we do and what we stand for as a Democratic Party. Understand this: When someone makes abortion illegal in America, rich women will still get abortions. It’s just going to fall hard on poor women. It’s going to fall hard on girls, women who don’t even know that they’re pregnant, because they have been molested by an uncle. I want to be an America where everybody has a chance. And I know it can be a hard decision for people. But here’s the thing. When it comes down to that decision, a woman should be able to call on her mother. She should be able to call on her partner. She should be able to call on her priest or her rabbi. But the one entity that should not be in the middle of that decision is the government.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/21/us/politics/abortion-rights-debate.html

 

Let's put aside rape for a moment and I'll come back to it. So the Senator believes killing a baby is a human right. Once a woman's intellect and morality debauches itself to this level there is no hope for a cure. In one very important way, being a woman is a bigger responsibility than being a man, and that privileged responsibility is being a wife before being a mother. Children are a privileged blessing that deserve a Mother and a Father. A woman needs a ring on her finger before spreading her legs. A man, not a sperm donor, but a man, shoulders his responsibility on caring and protecting his wife and children. A woman needs to choose wisely. The failure of these responsibilities give us our current big-time failure of the welfare state.

Concerning rape:

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/a-baby-from-rape-is-something-beautiful-from-something-terrible-1.3269157

 

https://www.breakpoint.organd https://www.moodyradio.org have similar truths. If you wish to point out genuine heroines, here they are.

[JasonJ]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's put aside rape for a moment and I'll come back to it. So the Senator believes killing a baby is a human right. Once a woman's intellect and morality debauches itself to this level there is no hope for a cure. In one very important way, being a woman is a bigger responsibility than being a man, and that privileged responsibility is being a wife before being a mother. Children are a privileged blessing that deserve a Mother and a Father. A woman needs a ring on her finger before spreading her legs. A man, not a sperm donor, but a man, shoulders his responsibility on caring and protecting his wife and children. A woman needs to choose wisely. The failure of these responsibilities give us our current big-time failure of the welfare state.

Concerning rape:

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/a-baby-from-rape-is-something-beautiful-from-something-terrible-1.3269157

 

https://www.breakpoint.organd https://www.moodyradio.org have similar truths. If you wish to point out genuine heroines, here they are.

 

 

Sorry, I'm not getting into an abortion debate. I posted Warren's statement to show her disposition was different so as support to the response to the broad swiping claim by DKTanker. That's all.

 

But to add since leaving it as just that seems to trigger a feeling of necessary response like you just did on the political issue, I will say that I recall one Trump rally that I watched not long ago (I do watch many) and in it was a guest speaking that was a woman in her 20s, maybe still University student or recently graduated, I don't remember, but she was Pro-life and her university was making it difficult for Pro-life students to express themselves. Something like that. I found that she had many good points.

 

[Rick]

 

I'm still peeved I'm not seeing more of this on more mainstream news sources. I saw a piece on the NewsHour the other night for the first time in ages and they were talking about the virus. They had a former CDC official who was basically saying everything that can and should be done on the government's part is being done and at least twice he tried to add in what individuals should be doing and instead the host cut him off to try and push a failing of Trump. Was really... sad.

Yes, if only people wouldn't bring the usual tiresome and totally unhelpful politics into debate on how to deal with a pandemic.

 

I agree. I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya, the media mixing politics and viruses in a Presidential election year. Who wouda thunk

[Der Zeitgeist]

Can't you guys just keep the partisan stuff out of this thread and discuss it in the dozen or so threads where you usually rant about Democrats wanting to put you into the Gulag?

Edited February 28, 2020 by Der Zeitgeist

[R011]

 

 

 

 

 

 

No he put a person in charge who wanted to pray before deciding what to do about a crisis back in his home State.

Which crisis?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html

A New York Times article about a Mid Western Conservative, Christian leader Yea, right. Morality and prayer go hand-in-hand for Christians. Let me help you out; no choosing drugs, no need for needle exchange. Abstinence works every time it is tried.

And if every one was as actually observant as you prefer, there would be no problem.

 

Real life and human nature aren't that neat and weren't even when conservative Christian morality was mainstream both socially and politically.

Your correct. But to explain further, choices have consequences and most consequences do not begin as bundles of straw.

On an individual level, thats true and if individuals always behaved responsibly, we would have few problems. Nagging, including proselatising, at people doesn't work and never has.

[Rick]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's put aside rape for a moment and I'll come back to it. So the Senator believes killing a baby is a human right. Once a woman's intellect and morality debauches itself to this level there is no hope for a cure. In one very important way, being a woman is a bigger responsibility than being a man, and that privileged responsibility is being a wife before being a mother. Children are a privileged blessing that deserve a Mother and a Father. A woman needs a ring on her finger before spreading her legs. A man, not a sperm donor, but a man, shoulders his responsibility on caring and protecting his wife and children. A woman needs to choose wisely. The failure of these responsibilities give us our current big-time failure of the welfare state.

Concerning rape:

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/a-baby-from-rape-is-something-beautiful-from-something-terrible-1.3269157

 

https://www.breakpoint.organd https://www.moodyradio.org have similar truths. If you wish to point out genuine heroines, here they are.

 

 

Sorry, I'm not getting into an abortion debate. I posted Warren's statement to show her disposition was different so as support to the response to the broad swiping claim by DKTanker. That's all.

 

But to add since leaving it as just that seems to trigger a feeling of necessary response like you just did on the political issue, I will say that I recall one Trump rally that I watched not long ago (I do watch many) and in it was a guest speaking that was a woman in her 20s, maybe still University student or recently graduated, I don't remember, but she was Pro-life and her university was making it difficult for Pro-life students to express themselves. Something like that. I found that she had many good points.

 

 

Reference bolden part. You should. There is an old truth stating "All that evil needs to succeed is good men doing nothing.'

[Rick]

 

 

 

 

 

 

No he put a person in charge who wanted to pray before deciding what to do about a crisis back in his home State.

Which crisis?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html

A New York Times article about a Mid Western Conservative, Christian leader Yea, right. Morality and prayer go hand-in-hand for Christians. Let me help you out; no choosing drugs, no need for needle exchange. Abstinence works every time it is tried.

And if every one was as actually observant as you prefer, there would be no problem.

 

Real life and human nature aren't that neat and weren't even when conservative Christian morality was mainstream both socially and politically.

Your correct. But to explain further, choices have consequences and most consequences do not begin as bundles of straw.

On an individual level, thats true and if individuals always behaved responsibly, we would have few problems. Nagging, including proselatising, at people doesn't work and never has.

 

Neither does having the tax-payer footing the bill for said choices of personal irresponsibility.

Edited February 28, 2020 by Rick

[JasonJ]

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I'm not getting into an abortion debate. I posted Warren's statement to show her disposition was different so as support to the response to the broad swiping claim by DKTanker. That's all.

 

But to add since leaving it as just that seems to trigger a feeling of necessary response like you just did on the political issue, I will say that I recall one Trump rally that I watched not long ago (I do watch many) and in it was a guest speaking that was a woman in her 20s, maybe still University student or recently graduated, I don't remember, but she was Pro-life and her university was making it difficult for Pro-life students to express themselves. Something like that. I found that she had many good points.

 

 

Reference bolden part. You should. There is an old truth stating "All that evil needs to succeed is good men doing nothing.'

 

 

Feel free to start a new thread about it.

[R011]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No he put a person in charge who wanted to pray before deciding what to do about a crisis back in his home State.

Which crisis?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html

A New York Times article about a Mid Western Conservative, Christian leader Yea, right. Morality and prayer go hand-in-hand for Christians. Let me help you out; no choosing drugs, no need for needle exchange. Abstinence works every time it is tried.

And if every one was as actually observant as you prefer, there would be no problem.

 

Real life and human nature aren't that neat and weren't even when conservative Christian morality was mainstream both socially and politically.

Your correct. But to explain further, choices have consequences and most consequences do not begin as bundles of straw.

On an individual level, thats true and if individuals always behaved responsibly, we would have few problems. Nagging, including proselatising, at people doesn't work and never has.

Neither does having the tax-payer footing the bill for said choices of personal irresponsibility.

Yes because masses of people starving, sick, and homeless has no effect on society and these things could only happen to the virtueless.

[MiloMorai]

Problem is Rick is that said choices of personal irresponsibility goes further. AIDS/HIV also effected those that did make responsible choices.

 

 

Neither does having the tax-payer footing the bill for said choices of personal irresponsibility.

[R011]

Oh, and blood borne diseases like HIV never cross over into the general population or affect anyone you know.

[Mobius]

China Begins Disinfecting Cash in an Attempt to Contain Coronavirus Money must be treated and stored for two weeks before banks can reissue the currency.

Then there are shipping boxes. And for snail mail saliva used to seal the letter. Luckily these days stamps come with adhesive.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

Can anyone say what the general effects of household cleaning supplies on imported packaging is?

I can't think it likely that products (TV's, tires, etc) could hold the virus for more than 23 hours but what about stuff that is packaged in multiple layers?

I'm specifically wondering about Amazon's "direct from China" clothing

 

Another fair question is besides doom, what are Wuhan's major exports?

[JasonJ]

Can anyone say what the general effects of household cleaning supplies on imported packaging is?

I can't think it likely that products (TV's, tires, etc) could hold the virus for more than 23 hours but what about stuff that is packaged in multiple layers?

I'm specifically wondering about Amazon's "direct from China" clothing

 

Another fair question is besides doom, what are Wuhan's major exports?

Without a comprehensive search but car manufacturing, both finished cars and car parts, seems to be a big industry in Wuhan. Companies like Dongfeng Honda, Shanghai GM, Peugeot, and Dongfeng Renault have facilities in Wuhan. Outside of Wuhan but in the same province, there's a Dongfeng Nissan facility.

[Harold Jones]

 

There are many articles like this one, most give similar advice. Two weeks of non perishable food, an extended supply of any prescription meds, etc.

 

https://theprepared.com/wuhan-coronavirus/

Thanks, that's exactly what I'm looking for.

 

I'm still peeved I'm not seeing more of this on more mainstream news sources. I saw a piece on the NewsHour the other night for the first time in ages and they were talking about the virus. They had a former CDC official who was basically saying everything that can and should be done on the government's part is being done and at least twice he tried to add in what individuals should be doing and instead the host cut him off to try and push a failing of Trump. Was really... sad.

 

Reading over that list I'm probably good on food. I might actually have 90 days worth of protein pancakes in my freezer and pantry. Whether or not I could stand eating them for that long is another matter.

 

The thing I'm curious about is when they mention if you have to stay isolated for a period of time. For most Americans that's simply not an option due to work.

 

We were talking about this just a few days ago at mine - would our company shut down if the outbreak got big? What would happen? How would we do it? Nothing like that has ever been done before. We've already been warned that shipments will drastically slow down soon (I work in a warehouse) because everything from China is drying up. Interesting times ahead... I'm curious how it all will play out.

 

There's a good chance that they won't have to shut down but that due to people calling in sick you might be working with a skeleton staff. My wife and I are fortunate in that we are both remote workers so isolating would mean not going to spin class or the gym for a while. My wife works with a sales group that is focused on Aisia/Pacific and a lot of her customers are having to work from home for the first time ever. It's been kind of a clusterfuck since it wasn't something most of the companies had ever done. They had to build remote access procedures and tools on the fly which is always painful.

[Der Zeitgeist]

 

Can anyone say what the general effects of household cleaning supplies on imported packaging is?

I can't think it likely that products (TV's, tires, etc) could hold the virus for more than 23 hours but what about stuff that is packaged in multiple layers?

I'm specifically wondering about Amazon's "direct from China" clothing

 

Another fair question is besides doom, what are Wuhan's major exports?

Without a comprehensive search but car manufacturing, both finished cars and car parts, seems to be a big industry in Wuhan. Companies like Dongfeng Honda, Shanghai GM, Peugeot, and Dongfeng Renault have facilities in Wuhan. Outside of Wuhan but in the same province, there's a Dongfeng Nissan facility.

 

 

There's also a lot of display production that is concentrated in Wuhan. This has already led to supply problems for some companies.

https://www.siliconexpert.com/coronavirus-disrupts-display-panel-production-china

[Markus Becker]

Just something I got a glimpse of, Italy overreported cases severalfold.

[Der Zeitgeist]

Just something I got a glimpse of, Italy overreported cases severalfold.

 

How so? A case is someone tested positively for the virus, isn't it?

[rmgill]

Oh, and blood borne diseases like HIV never cross over into the general population or affect anyone you know.

They do, but there's been articles on even NPR of all cases where the HIV + population among a segment of the gay population has carried on in a way that acts as if it's no big deal. Bath houses and promiscuous unprotected sex abounds. AND you have folks who are upset that sexually active gay men can't donate blood and argue that they should just lie and do so anyhow. Not caring what the actual transmission rates and reasons are for why gay men are so much more likely to contract it than women are due to specific mechanisms and injury/infection vectors of the types of sex engaged in.

 

The attitude that sticks out is one of how dare you hinder me and my preference for having all the fun I want, damn anyone it may harm.

[rmgill]

Can anyone say what the general effects of household cleaning supplies on imported packaging is?

I can't think it likely that products (TV's, tires, etc) could hold the virus for more than 23 hours but what about stuff that is packaged in multiple layers?

I'm specifically wondering about Amazon's "direct from China" clothing

 

Another fair question is besides doom, what are Wuhan's major exports?

For clothing, wash it with dilute bleach added after the drum is full of water and run it through the dryer on hot. UV should inactivate it too I think. For tires, put them out in the sun for a few hours.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1932823/