Jeff Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Funny how the CDC official who added to the panic isn't an official spokesperson for the CDC but jibber jabbered anyway and she just so happens to be Rod Rosenstein's sister. Are every single one of these people related by blood, marriage or lifelong friendship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Interesting development from my region: One of the recent new cases from the Göppingen area in southwest Germany visited a cinema in Neu-Ulm on Saturday, and health authorities are now contact tracing everyone who sat next to him during the movie to put them in quarantine. Original article: https://www.swp.de/suedwesten/staedte/neu-ulm/coronavirus-neu-ulm-kinobesucher-dietrich-theater-muessen-in-quarantaene-infektion-44097811.html Translation: After a coronavirus patient from the Göppingen area went to the cinema in Neu-Ulm on Saturday evening, several of the man's seat neighbors had to be quarantined. The person infected with the virus saw the film “Bad Boys” at 8:00 p.m. in row 2, seat 13. As reported by the Neu-Ulm health department, category 1 contacts (higher risk of infection) are those persons in the following seats: Row 1: places 12, 13 and 14 Row 2: places 12 and 13 Row 3: places 12, 13 and 14. So far, four of these people have been identified. The four cinema-goers are forbidden to leave their apartment for the time being according to the order of the health department, the district office in Neu-Ulm announced on Thursday. The authority assumes that a total of eight cinema-goers who were sitting in the immediate vicinity of the 25-year-old who is ill are at risk. The other four affected are still being searched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 The Left is trying to say Trump isn't taking this seriously. I'm old enough to remember when Trump created a CV taskforce and all the Left could do was claim it was too white. That was all the way back in the olden days of January 30th.The Left is salivating at the thought of the CV going, well, viral, with thousands and thousands of dead littering the streets. Sick fucking freaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 At this point it seems fairly certain it's going to spread everywhere. With that being said... what is decent advice to give out to folks on how to act? It's been frustrating trying to get any info about what we should do here in the States with all the discussion being spun around Trump. I've heard store reasonable amounts of food and water. But what's reasonable? When it hits it's not going to be over in a couple days but rather a couple months. Are they giving this advice because we should stay home as much as possible or due to interference in the normal logistical train that supplies our stores? I'm guessing one should limit going out to public places unless absolutely necessary when it does hit? This would have an enormous hit to the economy, though. While safety comes first is it possible this virus could spark a recession? Aren't most recessions due to some bubble, anomaly, whatever in the markets that needs fixing? If folks just... hold back for a few months shouldn't things spring back to normal rather quickly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 At this point it seems fairly certain it's going to spread everywhere. With that being said... what is decent advice to give out to folks on how to act? It's been frustrating trying to get any info about what we should do here in the States with all the discussion being spun around Trump. I've heard store reasonable amounts of food and water. But what's reasonable? When it hits it's not going to be over in a couple days but rather a couple months. Are they giving this advice because we should stay home as much as possible or due to interference in the normal logistical train that supplies our stores? I'm guessing one should limit going out to public places unless absolutely necessary when it does hit? This would have an enormous hit to the economy, though. While safety comes first is it possible this virus could spark a recession? Aren't most recessions due to some bubble, anomaly, whatever in the markets that needs fixing? If folks just... hold back for a few months shouldn't things spring back to normal rather quickly?Yes, this might be a different kind of recession. A supply bottleneck as opposed to a bubble of some kind. They can't fix it by pumping more cash into the system. Things can get back to normal after a few months, but some purchases will recover as there is pent up demand but other things won't. People aren't going to eat out twice as much to make up for staying home or see twice as many movies or get twice as many facials or haircuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Jones Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 There are many articles like this one, most give similar advice. Two weeks of non perishable food, an extended supply of any prescription meds, etc. https://theprepared.com/wuhan-coronavirus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 There are many articles like this one, most give similar advice. Two weeks of non perishable food, an extended supply of any prescription meds, etc. https://theprepared.com/wuhan-coronavirus/Thanks, that's exactly what I'm looking for. I'm still peeved I'm not seeing more of this on more mainstream news sources. I saw a piece on the NewsHour the other night for the first time in ages and they were talking about the virus. They had a former CDC official who was basically saying everything that can and should be done on the government's part is being done and at least twice he tried to add in what individuals should be doing and instead the host cut him off to try and push a failing of Trump. Was really... sad. Reading over that list I'm probably good on food. I might actually have 90 days worth of protein pancakes in my freezer and pantry. Whether or not I could stand eating them for that long is another matter. The thing I'm curious about is when they mention if you have to stay isolated for a period of time. For most Americans that's simply not an option due to work. We were talking about this just a few days ago at mine - would our company shut down if the outbreak got big? What would happen? How would we do it? Nothing like that has ever been done before. We've already been warned that shipments will drastically slow down soon (I work in a warehouse) because everything from China is drying up. Interesting times ahead... I'm curious how it all will play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 As noted in Australian media today: we will all catch this virus eventually. It is a bit like the common cold or the flu. Most people will recover and go on to lead great lives, other people won't. Shit happens. So, I will do what I can to keep myself and my wife as healthy as reasonable. We will not take risks, but there are no guarantees in life. No one lives forever. My father and both grandfathers passed at the age of 82. I have about 19 years left. 19 years to enjoy and appreciate if I can (wife willing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 quote: A top virologist has reportedly issued a stark warning – everyone is likely to contract coronavirus.University of Queensland professor Ian Mackays said COVID-19 is not going away and that it would be unlikely to be contained.“It doesn’t look like this virus is ever going to go back in its box,” Professor Mackay told The Australian. “And so we’re likely to have the virus become what we call an endemic virus, or a virus that’s just with us for life.“We already have four of these coronaviruses, mostly causing colds. We get them every year. They peak during winter but they still move around between us during the rest of the year as well. So it’s likely this might become one of those,” he said.“At some point in the coming months or years we’re all going to get infected because we’ve all been infected by these other endemic viruses”. Meantime, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has warned that a “global pandemic is very much upon us”.Speaking on Sydney radio today, Mr Morrison said: “This virus is about 10 times more severe than the flu when it comes to the rate or mortality.”But Mr Morrison assured Australia was “well-placed” to deal with the global health emergency and that measures to contain it within Australia so far had been “very effective”.“This is not like SARS … it’s behaving in a very different way, how it transmits in the community between people is much more prolific,” Mr Morrison told Sydney talkback host Alan Jones.“We’re not immune from it but we are more prepared. The plans are in place to deal with it.”He urged Aussies to “go about your business” despite the global outbreak.“We don’t want people to be alarmed by this. Our health system is the best in the world … Australians are well-placed,” he said. Later, in an interview with ABC TV, Mr Morrison revealed Australia was not considering issuing travel bans to other countries.“No, we’re not. That’s not the medical advice either,” Mr Morrison said.“The medical advice is that (it) is not proportional to the risk, and once it gets to sort of the stage where it’s affecting so many countries, the advice is that you have to prepare for it going into pandemic phase.”Mr Morrison will meet with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern in Sydney today, where coronavirus and forced deportation are expected to dominate the agenda. Meantime, the health ministers are due to meet in Melbourne to discuss how they’ll respond to coronavirus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasidas Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 No he put a person in charge who wanted to pray before deciding what to do about a crisis back in his home State.Which crisis? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html Well two things. 1) Expediency isn't always better.2) The government isn't responsible for people who make shitty life choices, it's like trying to blame rain for being wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 ROK is in a pinch.South Korea's confirmed cases of the new coronavirus surpassed 2,000 on Friday as the nation aggressively counters the fast-spreading virus with massive testing, particularly for 210,000 followers of a religious sect at the center of the epidemic. The 256 new cases brought the nation's total infections to 2,022, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC). Only two days ago, the number of infections exceeded 1,000. So far, 13 people have died in South Korea from the virus that emerged in China. South Korea confirmed its first new coronavirus case from a Chinese woman from Wuhan, the epicenter of the virus outbreak, on Jan. 20. More than half of newly confirmed cases are linked to a branch of a religious sect in the southeastern city of Daegu. Of the 256 new cases, 182 are in Daegu, 300 kilometers southeast of Seoul, and 49 are in the neighboring North Gyeongsang Province. The total number of infections in Daegu and North Gyeongsang stands at 1,314 and 394, respectively. Other major provinces and cities have also reported some infections, with Seoul reporting another six cases, the KCDC said in a statement. Daejeon and Busan counted four and two new cases, respectively, while Gyeonggi and South Gyeongsang provinces reported four and three more, respectively. Since raising the virus alert level to "red," the highest level, on Sunday, health authorities have focused on halting the spread of the virus in Daegu, the epicenter of the virus outbreak here, and North Gyeongsang Province. Experts said the number of confirmed cases is expected to jump in the coming days as health authorities have begun testing more than 210,000 members of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus at the center of the rapid spread in other provinces. Vice Health Minister Kim Gang-lip said in a daily briefing that tests on 1,299 Shincheonji members who have shown symptoms of the virus in Daegu have been completed. Official results of the tests will be released over the weekend, and the number of confirmed cases is expected to be "very high," Kim said. The government also ordered another 1,638 Shincheonji followers to self-isolate as they have shown symptoms, Kim said. Kim Nam-joong, a pulmonologist at Seoul National University Medical School, said, "The number of COVID-19 confirmed cases is expected to increase for the time being." "Given the huge volume of testing, the number of patients is expected to decline from a peak after a certain period of time goes by," the pulmonologist said. Since the first outbreak on Jan. 20 in South Korea, the pace of infections had not been alarming until Feb. 18, when a 61-year-old woman who is tied to the Daegu religious sect tested positive for the virus. Since then, the nation has seen an explosion in infections as it accelerated virus tests on potential cases. Across the nation, local governments and hospitals have launched an easier and faster testing method -- "drive-thru" test centers that allow a driver with symptoms to get a test inside his or her car. The whole test procedure takes about 10 minutes, and such facilities are also aimed at helping protect health workers. South Korea has released 26 fully recovered novel coronavirus patients from hospitals as of Friday morning, the KCDC said. The number of people being checked for the virus and under quarantine came to 24,751, it added. The country has tested a total of 68,918 suspected cases, with 44,167 testing negative. (Yonhap)http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200228000202 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 The Left is trying to say Trump isn't taking this seriously. I'm old enough to remember when Trump created a CV taskforce and all the Left could do was claim it was too white. That was all the way back in the olden days of January 30th. The Left is salivating at the thought of the CV going, well, viral, with thousands and thousands of dead littering the streets. Sick fucking freaks.Warren genuinely seems like the sort of "will somebody please think of the children" type. So that would be at least one that wouldn't fit your broad brush. I don't think Josh would either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Warren genuinely seems like the sort of "will somebody please think of the children" type. So that would be at least one that wouldn't fit your broad brush. I don't think Josh would either.The sick freaks relish the use of victimized children to further their political agenda. It's what they do. As for my "broad" brush, when leftists start chastising each other for their scare tactics and desire to see harm as a means to an end, I'll put my broad brush away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 The Left is trying to say Trump isn't taking this seriously. I'm old enough to remember when Trump created a CV taskforce and all the Left could do was claim it was too white. That was all the way back in the olden days of January 30th.The Left is salivating at the thought of the CV going, well, viral, with thousands and thousands of dead littering the streets. Sick fucking freaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Warren genuinely seems like the sort of "will somebody please think of the children" type. So that would be at least one that wouldn't fit your broad brush. I don't think Josh would either. The sick freaks relish the use of victimized children to further their political agenda. It's what they do. As for my "broad" brush, when leftists start chastising each other for their scare tactics and desire to see harm as a means to an end, I'll put my broad brush away.I could imagine Biden or Tom grinning in the back about getting new ammunition to use against Trump. But still I do not see Warren being that type. But in the reverse, Trump would grin as well if such usable material came about. Bloomberg probably would to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Thanks, that's exactly what I'm looking for. I'm still peeved I'm not seeing more of this on more mainstream news sources. I saw a piece on the NewsHour the other night for the first time in ages and they were talking about the virus. They had a former CDC official who was basically saying everything that can and should be done on the government's part is being done and at least twice he tried to add in what individuals should be doing and instead the host cut him off to try and push a failing of Trump. Was really... sad. Because the lefty milque-toast types (among other) laugh at such preparedness. "Oh you're a prepper!??!?? WHY?" The advice to have 2 weeks of food and a number of other things on hand has been an advised set of reality since like forever. It occasionally manifests during winter seasons during large snow storms and hurricanes and tornado season. Then it goes back to being background noise. I make such posts about such reasonable precautions and folks laugh or just shake their heads. Folks who listened to grand-parents who dealt with larger issues, hurricanes, the depression, etc, tend to think longer term. What made an impression for me was a snow storm in the 70s that knocked power out in the south east for days. What's more amazing is when you hear of folks up north being surprised by the weather and lack of access to basic life necessities. My wife doesn't even really understand why I have 4 flats of canned vegetables, meats and soups in the basement. Most of the time, yeah, it's a money sink that isn't that useful. Rotate them out, donate the nearly to expire ones to a soup kitchen, refresh them. I advised here when this was kicking off to get some more, just in case....she doesn't even get it. Most of the time if you have this stuff on hand in reasonable quantities people think you're a loon. Half of my neighbors were probably amused or annoyed by my 2.5 ton. But when we needed to get around with snow and ice 4 years ago, they were thankful that I could go get their husband who was stuck 5 miles away with a light jacket, business clothes and leather office loafers to walk home in the snow with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Warren genuinely seems like the sort of "will somebody please think of the children" type. So that would be at least one that wouldn't fit your broad brush. I don't think Josh would either.The sick freaks relish the use of victimized children to further their political agenda. It's what they do. As for my "broad" brush, when leftists start chastising each other for their scare tactics and desire to see harm as a means to an end, I'll put my broad brush away.I could imagine Biden or Tom grinning in the back about getting new ammunition to use against Trump. But still I do not see Warren being that type. But in the reverse, Trump would grin as well if such usable material came about. Bloomberg probably would to. I'm not sure the socialist pointing at how he has a better planned response to the pandemic that got loose from the largest socialist country on the planet is going to win that many logical and rational points with folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) At this point it seems fairly certain it's going to spread everywhere. With that being said... what is decent advice to give out to folks on how to act? From my experience: Tell people to wash their hands and to stop touching their face. And especially how to do that and why that is important. It's amazing how many people just don't understand how these diseases spread most of the time. They worry about getting respirator masks but are touching the handrail on the bus and picking their nose afterwards. On the supply side: Current policy in my country is two weeks of home quarantine for every potential contact person, so I stocked up for two weeks in case I get caught up in the net. Edited February 28, 2020 by Der Zeitgeist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 There are many articles like this one, most give similar advice. Two weeks of non perishable food, an extended supply of any prescription meds, etc. https://theprepared.com/wuhan-coronavirus/Thanks, that's exactly what I'm looking for. I'm still peeved I'm not seeing more of this on more mainstream news sources. I saw a piece on the NewsHour the other night for the first time in ages and they were talking about the virus. They had a former CDC official who was basically saying everything that can and should be done on the government's part is being done and at least twice he tried to add in what individuals should be doing and instead the host cut him off to try and push a failing of Trump. Was really... sad. Reading over that list I'm probably good on food. I might actually have 90 days worth of protein pancakes in my freezer and pantry. Whether or not I could stand eating them for that long is another matter. The thing I'm curious about is when they mention if you have to stay isolated for a period of time. For most Americans that's simply not an option due to work. We were talking about this just a few days ago at mine - would our company shut down if the outbreak got big? What would happen? How would we do it? Nothing like that has ever been done before. We've already been warned that shipments will drastically slow down soon (I work in a warehouse) because everything from China is drying up. Interesting times ahead... I'm curious how it all will play out. Isolation is prescribed as a mean to reduce the rate of contagion (R0 number) to below 1, so the virus burns itself out. This is increasingly unlikely as the virus is spreading through mild or non symptomatic cases apparently, so staying at home for 2 weeks doesn't guarantee that you won't get it, as it may come in the next wave. The elderly should take precautions as they are the group that is most at risk, at least until a vaccine is developed. Remember, 80% of the cases are mild, and only around 5% are critical, so there's a high likeliness that most that get it are unaware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Funny how the CDC official who added to the panic isn't an official spokesperson for the CDC but jibber jabbered anyway and she just so happens to be Rod Rosenstein's sister. Are every single one of these people related by blood, marriage or lifelong friendship?The Democrats are being political with disease just as they are with hurricanes. An absolutely disgusting political party. The only thing worse than the Democratic Party are its voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 The Left is trying to say Trump isn't taking this seriously. I'm old enough to remember when Trump created a CV taskforce and all the Left could do was claim it was too white. That was all the way back in the olden days of January 30th.The Left is salivating at the thought of the CV going, well, viral, with thousands and thousands of dead littering the streets. Sick fucking freaks.Warren genuinely seems like the sort of "will somebody please think of the children" type. So that would be at least one that wouldn't fit your broad brush. I don't think Josh would either. If Warren was genuinely concerned about children she would not be in favor of abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Warren genuinely seems like the sort of "will somebody please think of the children" type. So that would be at least one that wouldn't fit your broad brush. I don't think Josh would either.The sick freaks relish the use of victimized children to further their political agenda. It's what they do. As for my "broad" brush, when leftists start chastising each other for their scare tactics and desire to see harm as a means to an end, I'll put my broad brush away.I could imagine Biden or Tom grinning in the back about getting new ammunition to use against Trump. But still I do not see Warren being that type. But in the reverse, Trump would grin as well if such usable material came about. Bloomberg probably would to. I'm not sure the socialist pointing at how he has a better planned response to the pandemic that got loose from the largest socialist country on the planet is going to win that many logical and rational points with folks. This is assuming people are logical and rational. The Democratic Party voters fail this test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 No he put a person in charge who wanted to pray before deciding what to do about a crisis back in his home State.Which crisis? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html A New York Times article about a Mid Western Conservative, Christian leader Yea, right. Morality and prayer go hand-in-hand for Christians. Let me help you out; no choosing drugs, no need for needle exchange. Abstinence works every time it is tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 The Left is trying to say Trump isn't taking this seriously. I'm old enough to remember when Trump created a CV taskforce and all the Left could do was claim it was too white. That was all the way back in the olden days of January 30th. The Left is salivating at the thought of the CV going, well, viral, with thousands and thousands of dead littering the streets. Sick fucking freaks.Warren genuinely seems like the sort of "will somebody please think of the children" type. So that would be at least one that wouldn't fit your broad brush. I don't think Josh would either.If Warren was genuinely concerned about children she would not be in favor of abortion.No, she is very much of that type:MODERATOR: Just this weekend, Louisiana re-elected a Democratic governor, John Bel Edwards. He has signed one of the country’s toughest laws restricting abortion. Is there room in the Democratic Party for someone like him? Someone who can win in a deep red state but who does not support abortion rights? Senator Warren. ELIZABETH WARREN: I believe that abortion rights are human rights. I believe that they are also economic rights. And protecting the right of a woman to be able to make decisions about her own body is fundamentally what we do and what we stand for as a Democratic Party. Understand this: When someone makes abortion illegal in America, rich women will still get abortions. It’s just going to fall hard on poor women. It’s going to fall hard on girls, women who don’t even know that they’re pregnant, because they have been molested by an uncle. I want to be an America where everybody has a chance. And I know it can be a hard decision for people. But here’s the thing. When it comes down to that decision, a woman should be able to call on her mother. She should be able to call on her partner. She should be able to call on her priest or her rabbi. But the one entity that should not be in the middle of that decision is the government.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/21/us/politics/abortion-rights-debate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Warren genuinely seems like the sort of "will somebody please think of the children" type. So that would be at least one that wouldn't fit your broad brush. I don't think Josh would either. The sick freaks relish the use of victimized children to further their political agenda. It's what they do. As for my "broad" brush, when leftists start chastising each other for their scare tactics and desire to see harm as a means to an end, I'll put my broad brush away.I could imagine Biden or Tom grinning in the back about getting new ammunition to use against Trump. But still I do not see Warren being that type. But in the reverse, Trump would grin as well if such usable material came about. Bloomberg probably would to. I'm not sure the socialist pointing at how he has a better planned response to the pandemic that got loose from the largest socialist country on the planet is going to win that many logical and rational points with folks.I don't see how either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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