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3 hours ago, EchoFiveMike said:

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The astronaut pointing the gun has an Ohio flag on his suit, the one with his back turned has a U.S. flag on his suit.

Is there some conspiracy theory that Ohio is responsible for the Covid-19 out break?

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On 7/10/2021 at 11:19 AM, RETAC21 said:

And Pfizer apparently wants to make the last buck by asking for a third dose before the hype goes away.

You are thinking to small. How about booster shots every 10-12 months. Now that is a business case and was surely worth having a lab in Wuhan.

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4 hours ago, seahawk said:

You are thinking to small. How about booster shots every 10-12 months. Now that is a business case and was surely worth purchasing numerous high-level bureaucrats in NIH and FDA.

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Hundreds of Thais inoculated with Sinovac are infected as cases spike in Southeast Asia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/12/coronavirus-latest-updates/

 

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Israel starts administering third dose of Pfizer vaccine to at-risk adults.

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TEL AVIV — Israel’s Ministry of Health on Monday began offering a third dose of the Pfizer vaccine to severely immunocompromised adults in what health experts say could be the first phase of an experiment to provide booster shots for older people and the most vulnerable.

 

The recommendation, published Sunday by the ministry, clarified that the goal of the new program was to raise antibody levels among immunocompromised citizens — including cancer patients and recipients of liver transplants, and others who data shows have recently exhibited weakened vaccine protection — and that it had still not made a decision on administering third shots for the general adult population.

The decision comes as Israel, which was among the fastest to vaccinate and among the first in the world to begin reopening in the spring, is experiencing a surge in new cases, spurred by the prevalence of the more transmissible Delta variant first identified in India. Over the past month, infection rates in Israel have spiked from single digits to around 450 a day. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-vaccine-pfizer-booster/2021/07/12/ce5ceed4-e30e-11eb-88c5-4fd6382c47cb_story.html

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3 hours ago, JWB said:

Hundreds of Thais inoculated with Sinovac are infected as cases spike in Southeast Asia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/12/coronavirus-latest-updates/

 

Who would have guessed that the Chinese Governments vaccine would have such a high failure rate?

I noticed from the article that they are giving booster doses from either Astrezenaca  Phizer or Mordena not the commie vaccine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/12/coronavirus-latest-updates/#:~:text=A Thai health official said Sunday that an expert panel has recommended administering a third dose to at-risk medical workers%2C adding that the booster shot would be either one from Oxford-AstraZeneca or a messenger RNA vaccine made by either Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna

A Thai health official said Sunday that an expert panel has recommended admiA Thai health official said Sunday that an expert panel has recommended administering a third dose to at-risk medical workers, adding that the booster shot would be either one from Oxford-AstraZeneca or a messenger RNA vaccine made by either Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna.nistering a third dose to at-risk medical workers, adding that the booster shot would be either one from Oxford-AstraZeneca or a messenger RNA vaccine made by either Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna

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20 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

Who would have guessed that the Chinese Governments vaccine would have such a high failure rate?

Anyone who have followed the vaccine trials? Sinovac/CoronaVac is an old school inactivated virus vaccine, AFAIK none of them are terribly efficient just like the flu vaccine (same tech). First dose gives somewhere around 5% protection and the second somewhere around 50% and up (depending on what you measure/variants/etc).

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UK has decided to remove all legal restraints associated with lockdown on July 19 (more or less, Scotland and NI may differ and there may be one or two lingering items, not sure.)

This decision being made on the basis of a set of 4 test criteria established some time ago (paraphrasing).

1 - Vaccination campaign success

2 - Vaccines are effective

3 - Infections do not threaten to overwhelm hospital capabilities 

4 - new variants do not threaten the above assessments

Of these, the UK has vaccinated (two doses) 66.4% of the adult population (about 53% of the total population), with about 87%/70% having had at least one dose, so they're declaring this a success.

On the second, we have data for the reduction in likelihood of symptomatic cases and hospitalisations for the current vaccine mix in the UK versus the delta variant - fully vaccinated people are about 79% less likely to have symptomatic COVID, and 95% less likely to be hospitalised. Transmission likelihood is apparently also down by about 78%. I think this means they[re declaring the second test successful, too.

For the third, hospitalisation rates are obviously massively reduced for equivalent numbers of cases, and they state that there is no sign of the surge of hospitalisations that were seen with earlier waves - for example those on ventilators now are about 10% of those seen in the first wave.

For the last test, obviously new variants could arrive at any time, but currently Delta is completely dominant in the UK, with 98.7% of positive tests for type showing it, and as seen above, they've already decided that this variant poses no significant threat to the criteria.

So, one week to go.

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49 minutes ago, JWB said:

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Some countries defend mixing vaccines after WHO suggests booster strategy is ‘chaotic’.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/14/coronavirus-latest-updates/

The UK when giving the two shot regime earlier this year spread out the second dose so more people could get the 1st dose earlier. This was not the recommendation of the manufacturers but some of their public health officials decided it was a good idea. I read some scientist who thought it was a good idea and some who didn't. I think the UK's approach made sense. Better to get 80% quickly up to 50%+ protection, rather than 40% up to 95% protection. 

From my limited understanding the Moderna and Pfizer are new RNA tech and the J&J is old school vaccine tech. It would seem to me you would be best to get the opposite vaccine tech for your booster so you are attacking the virus from multiple paths.   Eg if you got the two shot Moderna, get the J&J for your booster. 

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2 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

From my limited understanding the Moderna and Pfizer are new RNA tech and the J&J is old school vaccine tech.

J&J (also AstraZenica, Sputnik, Convidencia) is also new tech but a different new tech (WK: Adenovirus vector vaccines).

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It would seem to me you would be best to get the opposite vaccine tech for your booster so you are attacking the virus from multiple paths.   Eg if you got the two shot Moderna, get the J&J for your booster. 

The mayor effect is simply getting the booster but the different manufacturers has stabilized the spike proteins in slightly different ways which is an added bonus. AFAIK the delivery method of the proteins is of secondary concern but there are some different pros and cons for the different methods. For instance for Adenovirus vector vaccines there is a fear that people might become immune to the vaccine virus vector used to deliver the protein payload.

The really effective booster shots will be the updated vaccines that resemble the Alpha and Delta strains more closely.

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Got my second BioNTech shot yesterday. Went even faster than the first time because rather than waiting for 20 minutes in "observation" afterwards I got directed to collect the digital certificate and only got to sit down for a couple minutes before being called up.

Made sure to drink a lot as advised. Basically same effects; a little dizzy afterwards, a little hungover the next morning, with an added suggestion of generalized muscle pain this time, but it wore off quickly. Under local regulations, can drop most restrictions 14 days later. We already had our first full family get-together for my father's birthday on 4 July though since most are already fully vaccinated due to having had priority based upon age, comorbidities, working in the medical field or education. 

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In Hungary there is a war over the Chinese vaxx. The opposition-ruled capital was first to organize a public measurement of immunity levels, and they found the effectiveness of it in the 60+ population lacking. The government countered that with another measurement campaign, aimig mostly those who were told they lack immunity before.

The Chinese documentatiton did not advised to use it on above 59 years people. The government used it as a weapon to prove the EU is weak, and the West is lacking.

An immunologist said that the capital's test was better, the gov test was not able to separate current immunity from former illness. The gov thest used a Roche suite, 1,200 people re-tested.

So the numbers of the re-measurement:

Sinopharm 84% immune

Pfizer 97%

Moderna 94%

AZ 97%

Sputnik-V 100%

Average 88% of vaxxed was immune.

 

In other news, the government snapped and said yes to the till now vehemently opposed third shot for the lacking. Of course, there is no advice on what to give to those who got two shots of Sinopharm.

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20 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

...It does mean the covid won't be as bad as if one had no vaccine.

It is not 100%, it "just" significantly increases a chance to avoid severe version.

As with gasmask, body armor, helmet or any other protective thing - it is all about increasing your chances.

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14 minutes ago, bojan said:

It is not 100%, it "just" significantly increases a chance to avoid severe version.

As with gasmask, body armor, helmet or any other protective thing - it is all about increasing your chances.

isn't that what I said?

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