lucklucky Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 https://twitter.com/kari_paul/status/1229214223227478016 Kari Paul@kari_paultoday in sharing economy struggles: our app powered car rental lost cell service on the side of a mountain in rural California and now I live here I guessit appears that although I do not have enough cell service to start up my only means of transportation I do have enough to live tweet my struggle so thanks for tuning in I will be here indefinitely
lucklucky Posted February 18, 2020 Author Posted February 18, 2020 https://www.wired.com/2015/02/new-high-tech-farm-equipment-nightmare-farmers/ http://www.startribune.com/for-tech-weary-midwest-farmers-40-year-old-tractors-now-a-hot-commodity/566737082/ Tractors built in 1980 or earlier cause bidding wars at auctions.
Mikel2 Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 https://www.wired.com/2015/02/new-high-tech-farm-equipment-nightmare-farmers/ http://www.startribune.com/for-tech-weary-midwest-farmers-40-year-old-tractors-now-a-hot-commodity/566737082/Tractors built in 1980 or earlier cause bidding wars at auctions. The same is happening with trucks. Older, pre-2008 diesel trucks go for a premium, since they aren't saddled with expensive, unreliable emissions systems that rob performance and MPG.
DKTanker Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 Pfft, all you need to do is dig a hole and put a seed in it. Anybody can do that and there's no need for some expensive hardware and software. Besides, as our Leftist Coast elites tell us, farmers don't have the gray matter to understand modern machinery with all of its computer software.
rmgill Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 App powered? wtf? you need an internet connection to start your rental?
Harold Jones Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 App powered? wtf? you need an internet connection to start your rental?Cars as a service. Uber and Lyft are sort of version 1.0 of that model.
Soren Ras Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 App powered? wtf? you need an internet connection to start your rental?Ugh, the 21st Century is not on track to what I imagined as a youngster. Make this reason #3221 And always remember, the "S" in IoT stands for Security. --Soren
Ivanhoe Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 And always remember, the "S" in IoT stands for Security. Truer words never spoken.
Coldsteel Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 "Someone used the fish tank to get into the network, and once they were in the fish tank, they scanned and found other vulnerabilities and moved laterally to other places in the network," fish tank connected to the internet
Soren Ras Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I am not very impressed at the way the article uses the fish tank as an example of attackers getting more creative, or that due to IoT we will see attackers "having to get more creative". The sad truth is that no creativity was needed. The attackers likely did not come up with an ingenious idea of using the fish tank to get access. The completely mundane reality is that they simply scanned the network, saw an insecure opening utilizing one of the many known vulnerabilities that the casino IT people had not closed(*) and the fish tank almost certainly used some of the cheap OT crap that everyone else is using to build their stupid smart gizmos. The attackers just saw an access point that was either wide open already or where the key was left in the lock, and then they had access to the network and saw more vulnerabilities. That the insecure access point happened to be a fish tank is incidental. It could have been a refrigerator, TV, dog collar, thermostat, window panel or any of the multitude of devices that the idiots are happily connecting to the net because if the modern world teaches us anything, it is that modern humans will sacrifice absolutely everything their ancestors fought bloody wars to obtain if they can get even a tiny amount of additional convenience. --Soren (*) which is either because:-they aren't doing patching, properly,-because they did not realize that they had a fish tank on the network (meaning they did not do asset management properly),-because they weren't doing vulnerability scanning properly (i.e. they did not know about the vulnerability)-because regardless of whether they knew, there might have been no way to patch it, as a lot of IoT crap comes hardcoded or with no way to update/patch, -or because they did know the risk but did not have the management pull to get the fish tank shut down Edited February 19, 2020 by Soren Ras
rmgill Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 Ahh. It's GIG car, you have an app top check out and start the car. I can see why loss of connectivity would be a problem. No key and some software that has to talk to the internet to see if you car rental is valid still...yeah...that's a problem.
lastdingo Posted February 20, 2020 Posted February 20, 2020 Pfft, all you need to do is dig a hole and put a seed in it. Anybody can do that and there's no need for some expensive hardware and software.The challenge is to do it in an economical way. Today's tractors can be de facto self-driving. Farmers can use drones or commercial imagery to detect differences within a field (the need for pesticides, fertilizer and so on is unequal and the optimum distance between individual sees is unequal as well). The planning of the input based on such imagery and subsequent accurate deployment of the inputs (the tech strives for accuracy of one sq metre) allows for a precision farming that consumes in the end less seeds, less fertilizer, less pesticides, less insecticides - for a bit more output.The challenge is to keep the costs and risks of precision farming low enough to make it profitable through the reduced material input and little increased output. Besides, as our Leftist Coast elites tell us, farmers don't have the gray matter to understand modern machinery with all of its computer software.I call bullshit on that assertion.That's just you hating the people from whom the prosperity of the nation really originates and who pay a lot into the social systems to prop up the mostly elderly and mostly low productivity region right wing population.
JW Collins Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 Pfft, all you need to do is dig a hole and put a seed in it. Anybody can do that and there's no need for some expensive hardware and software.The challenge is to do it in an economical way. Today's tractors can be de facto self-driving. Farmers can use drones or commercial imagery to detect differences within a field (the need for pesticides, fertilizer and so on is unequal and the optimum distance between individual sees is unequal as well). The planning of the input based on such imagery and subsequent accurate deployment of the inputs (the tech strives for accuracy of one sq metre) allows for a precision farming that consumes in the end less seeds, less fertilizer, less pesticides, less insecticides - for a bit more output.The challenge is to keep the costs and risks of precision farming low enough to make it profitable through the reduced material input and little increased output. Besides, as our Leftist Coast elites tell us, farmers don't have the gray matter to understand modern machinery with all of its computer software.I call bullshit on that assertion.That's just you hating the people from whom the prosperity of the nation really originates and who pay a lot into the social systems to prop up the mostly elderly and mostly low productivity region right wing population.So you lefties will demonize the rich one minute and then later claim they are the people "from whom the prosperity of the nation really originates". Amazing. So which is it? Are we supposed to be grateful to the silicon valley elite who by your own words support all of us peasants or are we supposed to be punishing them? Or maybe it's only about punishing the "wrong sort" of rich people and corporations. Pay enough lip service to social justice bullshit and donate to the correct people and the party will protect them. And this is okay because the peasantry is too stupid to know what's best for them.
Coldsteel Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 I am not very impressed at the way the article uses the fish tank as an example of attackers getting more creative, or that due to IoT we will see attackers "having to get more creative". The sad truth is that no creativity was needed. The attackers likely did not come up with an ingenious idea of using the fish tank to get access. The completely mundane reality is that they simply scanned the network, saw an insecure opening utilizing one of the many known vulnerabilities that the casino IT people had not closed(*) and the fish tank almost certainly used some of the cheap OT crap that everyone else is using to build their stupid smart gizmos. The attackers just saw an access point that was either wide open already or where the key was left in the lock, and then they had access to the network and saw more vulnerabilities. That the insecure access point happened to be a fish tank is incidental. It could have been a refrigerator, TV, dog collar, thermostat, window panel or any of the multitude of devices that the idiots are happily connecting to the net because if the modern world teaches us anything, it is that modern humans will sacrifice absolutely everything their ancestors fought bloody wars to obtain if they can get even a tiny amount of additional convenience. -- Soren (*) which is either because: -they aren't doing patching, properly, -because they did not realize that they had a fish tank on the network (meaning they did not do asset management properly), -because they weren't doing vulnerability scanning properly (i.e. they did not know about the vulnerability) -because regardless of whether they knew, there might have been no way to patch it, as a lot of IoT crap comes hardcoded or with no way to update/patch, -or because they did know the risk but did not have the management pull to get the fish tank shut down I'm just still not really able to get past the idea of a fish tank with internet access.
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 Yeah, clearly there are some Goldfish out there being excessively deprived.
lastdingo Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 So you lefties will demonize the rich one minute and then later claim they are the people "from whom the prosperity of the nation really originates".Let's file this under "things that never happened". I suppose there's a misunderstanding. You may have meant "coastal elites" less inflationary than has become common in the last few years. You may have read a much smaller group of people into that than I did.
TTK Ciar Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 I confess, whenever someone mentions "coastal elites", I wonder if that includes me, and whether they'll try to kill my family someday.I'm not a liberal, but get classified as one anyway for my failure to go all-in on every single right-wing hot-button ideological point. On the other hand, when my leftist friends talk about putting a 90% tax on "the wealthy", I can't help but give them some side-eye and wonder where they draw the line regarding "the wealthy". Is it everyone who makes more than $45K/year? $75K/year? $250K/year?It's enough to make one feel a bit paranoid.
NickM Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 I confess, whenever someone mentions "coastal elites", I wonder if that includes me, and whether they'll try to kill my family someday. I'm not a liberal, but get classified as one anyway for my failure to go all-in on every single right-wing hot-button ideological point. On the other hand, when my leftist friends talk about putting a 90% tax on "the wealthy", I can't help but give them some side-eye and wonder where they draw the line regarding "the wealthy". Is it everyone who makes more than $45K/year? $75K/year? $250K/year? It's enough to make one feel a bit paranoid.Good on ya RE: that 'Tax on the Rich' business...I've put the hooks into whatever lefties I can get in a word with on the very issue (either their family; trust fund pests or know nothin' college freaks or in once case Angela Davis); I've never gotten an answer that didn't devolve into a threat of a trip to a reeducation camp for 'moi'. Usually it means anybody who makes more than me, and I get to slop at the trough as well.
Stargrunt6 Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 "Coastal elites" usually refers to the power brokers who live in LA, DC or NYC. But I am sorry you feel that way. I will say regional hate has gotten off the charts these days.
EchoFiveMike Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) If they did not "legalize" the open bribery of politicians via "donations", thereby giving massively disproportionate political power to a rich ultra minority, they you wouldn't hear this discussion of various means to rein in that illegitimate power. Just because forcible sodomy upon the public is "legal" does not make it legitimate. These terms are not synonymous. Political activist rich foreigners should be told to refrain, once. Then they should be JDAM'd, along with their entire bloodline. JSOC should not be chasing worthless ground shitters in meaningless 3rd world shitholes, they should be snatching up/or eliminating subversives in places like Paris, London and so forth. S/F....Ken M Edited February 21, 2020 by EchoFiveMike
Skywalkre Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) I'm not a liberal, but get classified as one anyway for my failure to go all-in on every single right-wing hot-button ideological point. Join the club. It's particularly frustrating how often it happens here on TN... Edited February 21, 2020 by Skywalkre
Skywalkre Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 If they did not "legalize" the open bribery of politicians via "donations", thereby giving massively disproportionate political power to a rich ultra minority, they you wouldn't hear this discussion of various means to rein in that illegitimate power. Just because forcible sodomy upon the public is "legal" does not make it legitimate. These terms are not synonymous. +1
rmgill Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 I confess, whenever someone mentions "coastal elites", I wonder if that includes me, and whether they'll try to kill my family someday. I'm not a liberal, but get classified as one anyway for my failure to go all-in on every single right-wing hot-button ideological point. On the other hand, when my leftist friends talk about putting a 90% tax on "the wealthy", I can't help but give them some side-eye and wonder where they draw the line regarding "the wealthy". Is it everyone who makes more than $45K/year? $75K/year? $250K/year? It's enough to make one feel a bit paranoid. I've never figured you for a leftist. Many conservatives can also be, easily so, classical liberals. Conservatives who rail against the coastal elites are not railing against anyone who lives on the coast, they're railing against the folks who look over the rest of the country as toothless rubes who need to be lorded over, even if they don't want it.
Rick Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 If they did not "legalize" the open bribery of politicians via "donations", thereby giving massively disproportionate political power to a rich ultra minority, they you wouldn't hear this discussion of various means to rein in that illegitimate power. Just because forcible sodomy upon the public is "legal" does not make it legitimate. These terms are not synonymous. Political activist rich foreigners should be told to refrain, once. Then they should be JDAM'd, along with their entire bloodline. JSOC should not be chasing worthless ground shitters in meaningless 3rd world shitholes, they should be snatching up/or eliminating subversives in places like Paris, London and so forth. S/F....Ken M If you want money out of politics, keep the politicians out of everyone's money.
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