sunday Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 US goes to war for MBS. Has the US learned nothing? This one is an interesting angle, but it should be noted that not necessarily the enemy of one's enemy is one's friend. Also, I wonder when conspiracy theorist of certain persuasion will begin to publish that the US, as net oil exporter, now want higher oil prices. Stranger smears have been put forward in the past.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Well, whatever Trump is trying to achieve here, if he wants to get US troops out of the Middle East, the 82nd Airborne is heading in the wrong direction right now.
JasonJ Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) An interesting interview on South African news which is in favor of Iran following the airstrike on Soleimani. I don't agree with a lot of the points made but here it is if someone wants to take a stab in commenting either way about it. Edited January 3, 2020 by JasonJ
DKTanker Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Obama: "They shouldn't cross my red line." (Does nothing) Trump: "Hold my diet coke." Edited January 3, 2020 by DKTanker
Tim the Tank Nut Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Soleimani is a good kill. He's needed killing for a long time. It's good to see enemy leadership targeted rather than the rank and file. Iran has been pushing hard. Now, after A LOT of restraint the Trump administration pushed back. We will see what the next move is. (not counting the additional Iranian money poured into the DNC)
glenn239 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Soleimani is a good kill. He's needed killing for a long time. It's good to see enemy leadership targeted rather than the rank and file. Iran has been pushing hard. Now, after A LOT of restraint the Trump administration pushed back. We will see what the next move is. (not counting the additional Iranian money poured into the DNC) The Iranian pattern in Syria has been to not respond much militarily to Israeli attacks. We'll see what happens here, but the USAF can do more hurt than the IAF can to them any day.
Simon Tan Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Not at all. If you believe that killing Soleimani changed anything, you are sorely mistaken. All the Quds Force are already 'shaheed'. There is nothing but indignance to this amongst even expatriate Iranians.
Burncycle360 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) What have expatriate Iranians done for us and why should we care that theyre pissed at us? Everyone is pissed at us, all the time, regardless of what we do. Its not like they were going to do us a favor and revolt against the Iranian administration. It didnt change anything, perhaps, but they were already trying to kill Americans so... Edited January 3, 2020 by Burncycle360
Brian Kennedy Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Obama: "They shouldn't cross my red line."(Does nothing)Trump: "Hold my diet coke."For once I completely agree with you! https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hold-my-beer
Murph Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 What have expatriate Iranians done for us and why should we care that theyre pissed at us? Everyone is pissed at us, all the time, regardless of what we do. Its not like they were going to do us a favor and revolt against the Iranian administration. It didnt change anything, perhaps, but they were already trying to kill Americans so...Agreed, why do we care.
Tim the Tank Nut Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 More than thatI respect Simon and his point of view greatly but in this case the idea that a murderous bastard like Soleimani should be afforded protection because Iranians think he is great is absurd. They've been yelling death to America since the '70's and now we're supposed to be concerned about their feelings?Iran is the chief cause of instability in the ME. They make trouble every where they can. It isn't new.There is an old saying "Beware Persians bearing gifts". In short, it has always been thus. Further, President Trump has shown enormous restraint with regard to military action. The Iranians kept up the pressure and now we are supposed to feel bad?
Jeff Posted January 3, 2020 Author Posted January 3, 2020 As an example of Fox News' shift leftward, their news crawl this morning called the ex-general a "cultural icon". The guy is fresh off killing hundreds of Iraqis and killing hundreds of his own citizens, cultural icon is debatable. He was apparently close to launching additional attacks to add to his 20 years of murder, including hundreds of Americans. He dared Trump to bring it and Trump did. I'm concerned about the coming Iranian response but then they haven't been shy about attacking in the past. We may find we're building the southern wall a bit too late and that not all of the people coming across the border are poor Mexican "dreamers". Regardless, I hope Iran realizes that we can harm them a lot more than they can harm us if they keep pushing. Trump has given them a pass for a lot but that's now over. They might find it tricky to keep power with no gas or electricity. This will likely be bloody but they can't win.
Chris Werb Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Assuming the Iranians wanted to go to the trouble of sneaking terrorists into the US, wouldn't it be far easier to enter via Canada?
Tim the Tank Nut Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 there is a better "criminal element" pipeline from the south than the north.Either route is easy but Iran requires a certain level of deniability. An open attack by Iranian Security elements in the continental US could lead to a real war and that is the one type of war that we are really good at.
Der Zeitgeist Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) As an example of Fox News' shift leftward, their news crawl this morning called the ex-general a "cultural icon". Well, he was a legendary figure among shiite militant circles, it was probably meant this way, if possibly poorly phrased. Edited January 3, 2020 by Der Zeitgeist
Burncycle360 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Just wait till AP gets ahold of this recent photo of Suleimani on an Iranian Kilo Class Submarine taken just weeks before the austere scholar's demise
glenn239 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Assuming the Iranians wanted to go to the trouble of sneaking terrorists into the US, wouldn't it be far easier to enter via Canada? I don't know the western crossings (lotta open space), but on the Great Lakes it's well patrolled and at the border crossings themselves we don't get any latitude for being Canadians or for having crossed dozens of times. It's a real ordeal these days going through customs.
seahawk Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 The problem is that the leadership in Tehran no longer liked Soleimani after getting his ass handed to him in the battle of Tikrit by the IS in 2015. After that he was their poster boy, which they did sent around to their various militias and smile into the camera and pose for selfies. They could not get rid of him because he was popular, now the US made them very happy.
Tim the Tank Nut Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Advisor Valerie Jarrett cries today for the death of her beloved countryman.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 there is a better "criminal element" pipeline from the south than the north.Either route is easy but Iran requires a certain level of deniability. An open attack by Iranian Security elements in the continental US could lead to a real war and that is the one type of war that we are really good at.They would appear to have done it once before and got away scot free however. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Rogers_III Nine months after the downing of Iran Air Flight 655, on the morning of March 10, 1989, Rogers' wife Sharon escaped uninjured when a pipe bomb exploded and set fire to her minivan as she sat stopped at a red light across the street from the University Towne Center shopping mall in San Diego. The van was registered in the name of Will Rogers III, and many people at the time of the bombing suspected that terrorism was involved.[5] Five months later, the Associated Press reported that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had shifted focus away from terrorism towards the possibility of someone with a personal vendetta against Captain Rogers.[15] As of 2003, the bombing of Rogers' van remains an unsolved case, despite a major investigation involving at some time up to 300 police and FBI agents.[16] On February 17, 1993, the case was featured on the TV show Unsolved Mysteries, but no additional information was uncovered. Just wait till AP gets ahold of this recent photo of Suleimani on an Iranian Kilo Class Submarine taken just weeks before the austere scholar's demise I thought he looked more like Jeremy Corbyn.
bd1 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 The problem is that the leadership in Tehran no longer liked Soleimani after getting his ass handed to him in the battle of Tikrit by the IS in 2015. After that he was their poster boy, which they did sent around to their various militias and smile into the camera and pose for selfies. They could not get rid of him because he was popular, now the US made them very happy.trump could always add excitement by muttering ´´accidentally´´ to a microphone something like ´now that we´ve did our part of the deal, now rouhani has to do his ´ ​
lucklucky Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Not at all. If you believe that killing Soleimani changed anything, you are sorely mistaken. All the Quds Force are already 'shaheed'. There is nothing but indignance to this amongst even expatriate Iranians.That appears to be false by several Iranians in twitter.
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