Tim the Tank Nut Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 reports have surfaced that the Iranian Regime has arrested the person who took the video footage of the missile strike,Think about that for a moment...
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 Yeah, its pretty much validates that its not fake, and that it invalidates most of what they said. I take your point.
Tim the Tank Nut Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 Iran seldom misses an opportunity to miss an opportunityThey are remarkable but not in a good way
DKTanker Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 Yeah, its pretty much validates that its not fake, and that it invalidates most of what they said. I take your point.And his arrest is the price he had to pay for Trump taking out Salami. Right?
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) I didnt vote for Trump, nor did I fire the fatal missiles. Im not quite sure why you think any of this is my fault, but if it brings you pleasure to believe so, go for it. Ive broad shoulders. Edited January 15, 2020 by Stuart Galbraith
DKTanker Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 I didnt vote for Trump, nor did I fire the fatal missiles. Im not quite sure why you think any of this is my fault, but if it brings you pleasure to believe so, go for it. Ive broad shoulders.Nobody blamed you, Stuart, are you perfecting the art of projection?
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 You are presumably implying im on the side of the Islamic republic by endorsing arrest of Iranians. You should probably know the Iranians have one of our citizens for the past several years, so as far as Im concerned they are kidnappers of which nothing better can ever be expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazanin_Zaghari-Ratcliffe This is the price we pay for, rightly, confronting Iran. These likely wont be the last victims of this dispute you know.
Jeff Posted January 15, 2020 Author Posted January 15, 2020 It does appear to show the aircraft turning, but only after both missiles hit. Its impossible to tell at this point if there was even an alive aircrew on board. I remember a report several days ago about the cockpit wreckage having apparent shrapnel holes in it. This was when the Iranians were still claiming no shootdown. If true, it would likely have been the second missile that might have wiped out the struggling flight crew since it appears that the plane was still under control after the first hit. Devastating combination.
Nobu Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 Iran and Iranians are paying a price for playing their part in the confrontation/blame game as well. Recent events show that they may be tiring of the role.
seahawk Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 reports have surfaced that the Iranian Regime has arrested the person who took the video footage of the missile strike,Think about that for a moment...Espionage and co-operating with the enemy. Should be a quick trial and shooting squad.,
DKTanker Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 You are presumably implying im on the side of the Islamic republic by endorsing arrest of Iranians. You should probably know the Iranians have one of our citizens for the past several years, so as far as Im concerned they are kidnappers of which nothing better can ever be expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazanin_Zaghari-Ratcliffe This is the price we pay for, rightly, confronting Iran. These likely wont be the last victims of this dispute you know.No, I'm merely following your logic, which states that Trump is responsible for shooting down the Ukrainian airliner, that the subsequent arrest of the videographer is a response to the airliner being shot down of which Trump is to blame.
bojan Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) I remember a report several days ago about the cockpit wreckage having apparent shrapnel holes in it. This was when the Iranians were still claiming no shootdown. If true, it would likely have been the second missile that might have wiped out the struggling flight crew since it appears that the plane was still under control after the first hit. Devastating combination. Local AD guy thinks it is more likely first one killed crew and second hit a plane that continued on the course (due someone surviving first or sheer inertia) bringing it fully down based on the videos of missiles. First one looks to be shot in the "intercept" mode*, where it would go in front of target and second one in "chase" (aka 3-dot) mode where it was more likely to explode "center-mass". Ofc video is too bad for this to be even close to 100%. *Buk in MH17 was fired with "intercept" profile, exploding in front and slightly above plane, hitting cockpit. Edited January 15, 2020 by bojan
Jeff Posted January 15, 2020 Author Posted January 15, 2020 I remember a report several days ago about the cockpit wreckage having apparent shrapnel holes in it. This was when the Iranians were still claiming no shootdown. If true, it would likely have been the second missile that might have wiped out the struggling flight crew since it appears that the plane was still under control after the first hit. Devastating combination. Local AD guy thinks it is more likely first one killed crew and second hit a plane that continued on the course (due someone surviving first or sheer inertia) bringing it fully down based on the videos of missiles. First one looks to be shot in the "intercept" mode*, where it would go in front of target and second one in "chase" (aka 3-dot) mode where it was more likely to explode "center-mass". Ofc video is too bad for this to be even close to 100%. *Buk in MH17 was fired with "intercept" profile, exploding in front and slightly above plane, hitting cockpit. Thanks for that.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/its-not-safe-at-all-iran-harassing-families-of-plane-crash-victims-sources-say/ar-BBZ055R?li=AAggXBV They’ve been told not to talk to the media, keep their mourning as private as possible and even publicly praise the regime that mistakenly shot down their loved ones’ airliner.The families of the Iran plane crash victims — most of them Canadians or heading to Canada — are still in the depths of mourning for their relatives. But that hasn’t stopped Tehran from closely monitoring and harassing family living in the country, using release of the victims’ remains as leverage, various sources allege.One mother received a visit from security officers after she openly pleaded for help from Canada and a video of her outburst went viral, says a U.S.-based Iranian journalist. Another family had to welcome government minders into their private mourning ceremony, said an Iranian-Canadian briefed on their situation.“They know the anger, they know they are furious,” said Masih Alinejad, a widely followed Iranian journalist based in New York. “They know that if these families came out in public and shared their pain and put the blame on the Islamic Republic, the whole of society in Iran would be united against the Islamic Republic. They are scared of that.”Most of the reports could not be independently verified by the National Post, but details are similar between them, and aspects of one case are documented on video.The federal government, which has consular officials in Iran trying to meet with families, is aware of the alleged mistreatment, said John Babcock, a spokesman for Foreign Minister François-Philippe Champagne. The government is especially concerned that victims’ remains be allowed to return to this country, he said.
rmgill Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 There's a cost for having your family killed by the totalitarian regime where you still live and while you might have an independent thought.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 Once again, I cant say its surprises me. But the media has moved on from this already, so its probably worth making note of this.
RETAC21 Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 I shit you not, some guy is claiming the plane was shot down by the Jooz: https://www.sott.net/article/427303-Was-Iranian-Missile-Operator-Tricked-Into-Shooting-Down-The-Ukrainian-Airlines-Plane-Over-Tehran?fbclid=IwAR0bjqiV3ujxo6_ZT7-QTgPjTVp6gXaIz366yDGwUIc2D65Pv2-Qp8OwdpQ
Nobu Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 I am not proud of clicking on that link. I also am not confident that the usual blame game targets will be enough to distract the Iranian street anymore. If the Israelis did it, they would have followed up on it. They were essentially caught flatfooted by it as much as Washington.
NickM Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 I am not proud of clicking on that link. I also am not confident that the usual blame game targets will be enough to distract the Iranian street anymore. If the Israelis did it, they would have followed up on it. They were essentially caught flatfooted by it as much as Washington.The stories on the margin--'my head...'
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 I shit you not, some guy is claiming the plane was shot down by the Jooz: https://www.sott.net/article/427303-Was-Iranian-Missile-Operator-Tricked-Into-Shooting-Down-The-Ukrainian-Airlines-Plane-Over-Tehran?fbclid=IwAR0bjqiV3ujxo6_ZT7-QTgPjTVp6gXaIz366yDGwUIc2D65Pv2-Qp8OwdpQUkrainian Jooz, or regular?
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-threatened-uk-25-car-134213068.html Donald Trump threatened the UK with a 25 per cent tariff on its cars unless the British government officially accused Iran of breaking the 2015 nuclear deal, it has been reported. The secret threat last week, first reported by The Washington Post, which cited unnamed European officials, would have seen the tariff imposed on all European automobile imports to the US unless Britain, France and Germany agreed to the ultimatum. It came days before the three European Union powers on Tuesday triggered a dispute mechanism under the agreement which does amount to a formal accusation against Tehran of violating its terms. It could lead to the reinstatement of United Nations sanctions, but is being framed by the Europeans as the last chance to save the nuclear deal.
DKTanker Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-threatened-uk-25-car-134213068.htmlDonald Trump threatened the UK with a 25 per cent tariff on its cars unless the British government officially accused Iran of breaking the 2015 nuclear deal, it has been reported.The secret threat last week, first reported by The Washington Post, which cited unnamed European officials, would have seen the tariff imposed on all European automobile imports to the US unless Britain, France and Germany agreed to the ultimatum.It came days before the three European Union powers on Tuesday triggered a dispute mechanism under the agreement which does amount to a formal accusation against Tehran of violating its terms. It could lead to the reinstatement of United Nations sanctions, but is being framed by the Europeans as the last chance to save the nuclear deal. Is Euro Anonymous a 1st cousin of US Anonymous who assured our Leftist MSM that there was 100% irrefutable evidence that Donald Trump had sold out the nation to Putin?
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Yes, I love how you fastened onto that nugget, and ignored everything else in the article.
NickM Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Yes, I love how you fastened onto that nugget, and ignored everything else in the article. Stu if the story is as credible as the tales that Reagan was going to kill us all by starting WW3 then why delve deeper?
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