Rick Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Posting this here instead of starting a new thread, are infantry that are a part of armored formations train differently than infantry that are not organic(?) to an armored formation? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Rick said: Posting this here instead of starting a new thread, are infantry that are a part of armored formations train differently than infantry that are not organic(?) to an armored formation? Thank you. Every soldier goes through rifleman training that comes in tiers. Combat units require a tier suitable to their tasks. Artillerymen and tank crews are combat, but don't do much as regular infantry, so they receive a low tier of training. Dedicated infantry receive a higher tier, and officers have higher tiers as well. Armored infantry, as well as regular infantry, share the same 4 months of basic rifleman training, and do 4 months of specialized training which will be different for both. At the end of their full training, armored infantry are qualified for "rifleman 05" standard, and regular infantry are "rifleman 07". This indicates that armored infantry receive more specialized training in support tasks, while regular infantry receive deeper training in classical infantry roles. Higher number indicates higher proficiency in classic infantry skills and is separate from additional corps-related training that usually occurs afterward. Armored infantry are a niche that has been altered frequently in the last few years so there isn't much concrete, up-to-date information available unless you find someone mid-service to ask about this. Generally they do recon, direct fire, employ mortars, and assist tanks in any way they can. They have light and heavy mobility, e.g. HMMWVs and APCs respectively. Being non-combat, there's little I can offer in terms of accuracy and depth. I recommend following on Twitter 2 users: @plovejet @loxlikelox Edited May 20 by Mighty_Zuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 18 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said: In other news, and yes the journalist at hand is shit tier but it sounds reasonable - the IDF is apparently looking to buy large quantities of M61 Vulcans to mount on APCs, to be tasked with C-UAS. M61 seems not wise . it is too heavy, and not as controllable as a conventional 20mm gun. US is going for 30mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 19 minutes ago, lucklucky said: M61 seems not wise . it is too heavy, and not as controllable as a conventional 20mm gun. US is going for 30mm. Idea is to get something into service quickly. I assume the fine tuning can be done later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Bring back the TCM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano-Suiza_HS.404 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M45_Quadmount#TCM-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sielbeck Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 5 hours ago, lucklucky said: M61 seems not wise . it is too heavy, and not as controllable as a conventional 20mm gun. US is going for 30mm. What do you mean? The Army used the M163 VADS for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Yes, but to destroy puny drones you don't need to shower the air with so many 20mm rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 Not the first time we're seeing this, but hopefully this one enters service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRW Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 HOW is the Eitan doing in combat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 8 minutes ago, WRW said: HOW is the Eitan doing in combat? Reportedly excellent. They particularly like its much better mobility compared to other APCs. I detailed it here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 20 minutes ago, urbanoid said: I will never not love anti-slip covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 Israel reportedly eyeing the Centurion C-RAM specifically. https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/2024_q2/Article-9c45a51d924af81026.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 On 5/23/2024 at 5:50 AM, Mighty_Zuk said: Israel reportedly eyeing the Centurion C-RAM specifically. https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/2024_q2/Article-9c45a51d924af81026.htm I visualized a Centurion hull with a C-ram slapped onto it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 Every day I'm reminded of the volatility of armor but it sure is impressive just how protected these machines are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 UGV patrols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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urbanoid Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 So I see the name got recycled, once there was a Ro'em SPH on Sherman chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Land gun artillery increasingly look like naval gun artillery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRW Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 What happened all the pre Merkava and indeed early Merkava mbt taken on of service in the last decade or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, WRW said: What happened all the pre Merkava and indeed early Merkava mbt taken on of service in the last decade or so? pre-Merkava you mean Magach (M48/M60) and Centurions? They were withdrawn many years ago. Some probably scrapped for metal, some used as target practice, and probably a few M60 kept in good condition for a supply of spare parts for the small M88 and AVLB fleets (although at least the M88 is probably in the process of replacement). Early Merkavas, particularly Mark 1, were withdrawn as well, and likely not kept in good condition. Merkava 3 is still in service and none can be spared at the moment. Merkava 2 is the odd one. It was withdrawn even from reserve and was put up for export, along with some Merkava 3, but the war led to that plan being cancelled, and I have recently seen some being transported between bases, in a frequency that leads me to believe they're not used for target practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Might be wiser to keep what you haven't scrapped yet, no matter the condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 5 hours ago, WRW said: What happened all the pre Merkava and indeed early Merkava mbt taken on of service in the last decade or so? Sho't (Centurion), Magach (M48/M60), Merkava Mk1 and Mk2 are withdrawn from service, some are scrapped, rest are just empty hull, like @Mighty_Zuk said, used as targets or training aids for ARV crews. Of course perhaps Merkava Mk2's might be refurbished and returned in to service within current change of situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 39 minutes ago, Damian said: Sho't (Centurion), Magach (M48/M60), Merkava Mk1 and Mk2 are withdrawn from service, some are scrapped, rest are just empty hull, like @Mighty_Zuk said, used as targets or training aids for ARV crews. Of course perhaps Merkava Mk2's might be refurbished and returned in to service within current change of situation. The fact Israel was mulling the sale of Merkava 2 tanks means at least that they're in working order, which is reasonable considering they were just now withdrawn from service. AFVs like the Ofek (C2) and Pereg (maintenance) are both built on Merkava 3 chassis but at least the Ofek was tested for several years on a Merkava 2 chassis, meaning they could easily be used for similar purposes to replace "frontline" M113s. 4 hours ago, urbanoid said: Might be wiser to keep what you haven't scrapped yet, no matter the condition. One might say that's a universally good idea but not so much for Israel. Due to how short Israel's wars are (in Gaza the intense part ended months ago), it wouldn't make sense to invest in strategic reserves outside the existing reserve combat units. The only reason why old tanks are being restored is because the IDF realized it needs greater capacity to deploy units in Gaza in a fashion similar to the J&S (aka West Bank), meaning a permanent increase in the IDF's size. In any proper war, such equipment would be restored too late to make an effect, so might as well just sell it off and buy something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 16 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: One might say that's a universally good idea but not so much for Israel. Due to how short Israel's wars are (in Gaza the intense part ended months ago), it wouldn't make sense to invest in strategic reserves outside the existing reserve combat units. The only reason why old tanks are being restored is because the IDF realized it needs greater capacity to deploy units in Gaza in a fashion similar to the J&S (aka West Bank), meaning a permanent increase in the IDF's size. In any proper war, such equipment would be restored too late to make an effect, so might as well just sell it off and buy something new. I was thinking more along the lines of converting them to something else if the need arises during peacetime (or indeed an operation like the current one). I assume that Merkava/Namer production line is pretty much 'booked' and it's not possible to substantially increase the number of hulls produced on a short notice. And yes, I know that up until now Israel's wars have been rather short, but do you have a guarantee that it will always stay that way? One last thing is what I thought about in the context of my country - 'damn, it sure would've been nice if we kept those several hundred T-55AM Meridas in storage and started slowly refurbishing them (maybe with some upgrades) for the Ukrainians after the war broke out'. It's not what I would have said even a few years ago, but seeing as the other side rolls out actual T-54s (not even Bs or As, just T-54) in what has become a war of attrition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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