Because The British Royal Family

[sunday]

25 minutes ago, johnthejock said:

I've never been conflicted 41% loss of population in ireland over the times of the wars of the three kingdoms sort of says a lot to me....guess who did the most to reach thoat figure? The aftermath of Naesby, the mutilation, rape and murder of the welsh camp followers ... and you know a man by the company he keeps .... i.e. King Campbell only being one.  then there are the levellers and the diggers and what about the fifth monarchists ! 

The only reason that he did not proclaim himself king was the Army would have strung him up and rightly so! 

Yet, he is highly quotable my fave is not probably most people's idea of quotable but its the meaning and context that matters to me 

“Is it therefore infallibly agreeable to the Word of God, all that you say? I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.”–Oliver Cromwell, letter to the general assembly of the Church of Scotland (3 August 1650)

Once upon a time, Churchill wanted to name a dreadnought after Cromwell.

That idea was sunk quickly than HMS Queen Mary at Jutland.

[rmgill]

A class of fleet carriers would have been more appropriate. 

[johnthejock]

4 minutes ago, sunday said:

Once upon a time, Churchill wanted to name a dreadnought after Cromwell.

That idea was sunk quickly than HMS Queen Mary at Jutland.

There is a joke *cough* that psychologists put and englishman and an Irishman in a room and said sort out your issues, 24hrs later they looked in on them and said..well how is it going? and the irishman och we are doing fine we have just got up to cromwell... As far as I am concerned there are none so blind as those who will not see when it comes to British interaction in Ireland

[sunday]

Monty Python could have spent a little bit of the time they dedicated to the Spanish Inquisition on Cromwell, for sure.

Then there is the sensitive question on how, and with what means, Anglicanism was so quickly and throughly implemented in England.

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

Once upon a time, Churchill wanted to name a dreadnought after Cromwell.

That idea was sunk quickly than HMS Queen Mary at Jutland.

The Navy, presumably running out of names, bestowed it on a Destroyer, that was sold with much haste to Norway in 1946. I doubt it was even commissioned.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNoMS_Bergen_(1946)

 

[TrustMe]

There was the Cromwell tank.

[johnthejock]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

Monty Python could have spent a little bit of the time they dedicated to the Spanish Inquisition on Cromwell, for sure.

Then there is the sensitive question on how, and with what means, Anglicanism was so quickly and throughly implemented in England.

As far as I am concerned the ultimate of proper englishness ended about 1500 prior to that they were part of the ultimate medieval culture i.e. universal  (i.e catholic  which does not have the same religious or political inferences that came after)

Edited January 10, 2023 by johnthejock
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[sunday]

There have been John H. Newman, JRR Tolkien or GK Chesterton after that.

Worldview of W. Shakespeare was still mostly Catholic, too.

[Sardaukar]

Just sayin...

 

[Murph]

1 hour ago, Sardaukar said:

Just sayin...

 

Neither one is worthy of the hype surrounding them.  One really is not that great a singer, the other is just a whiny loser.

[Coldsteel]

13 hours ago, NickM said:

Yes....?

🤣

[Angrybk]

Us USAians fought a desperate war to get rid of monarchs, for good reason, so I don't have much sympathy for monarchies of any type (counterargument is that the US just invented new monarchies instead -- Kardashians, Clintons, Trumps, etc., which is fair). 

Do UKians think the Harry stuff might be a bit of a tipping point, though? I mean, the only thing that makes the UK monarchy viable is if the royal family doesn't act like assholes, and do stuff like rallying the country in times of war, etc. Otherwise it's just stupid from a financial standpoint. From a US standpoint it just seems like after Elizabeth died, you're paying lots of money to a lot of chinless dorks to act like US celebrities. Or Charles and his bird-watching or whatever.  

Edited January 11, 2023 by Angrybk

[Ssnake]

I think you USians are attributing way too much interest of the British population in the Sussexes. It's getting hyped up in the US media mostly, it seems to me.

[Stuart Galbraith]

4 hours ago, Angrybk said:

Us USAians fought a desperate war to get rid of monarchs, for good reason, so I don't have much sympathy for monarchies of any type (counterargument is that the US just invented new monarchies instead -- Kardashians, Clintons, Trumps, etc., which is fair). 

Do UKians think the Harry stuff might be a bit of a tipping point, though? I mean, the only thing that makes the UK monarchy viable is if the royal family doesn't act like assholes, and do stuff like rallying the country in times of war, etc. Otherwise it's just stupid from a financial standpoint. From a US standpoint it just seems like after Elizabeth died, you're paying lots of money to a lot of chinless dorks to act like US celebrities. Or Charles and his bird-watching or whatever.  

You mean the US fought a desperate war to get rid of whiny monarchs, and ended up electing three in a row.

I dont know how many times I can see this. The British epople are BORED of Harry. Thorougly bored and utterly hacked off with listening t0 his narcisistic self indulgent shite. As for Megan, she is just another whiny American actress, who cares?

If people want to know how the British people predominantly (im not saying wholly, but predominantly) feel about monarchy, one should look at how many queued up for the late Monarchs lying in state. Yes, a certain amount of curiosity is there. Equally in a country that feels utterly rudderless and lacking in direction, I think people like an apparently strong pillar, no matter how illusory that may in reality be. Elizabeth represents that, and Charles, for all his flaws, now has the role, and my guess is will make a good stab at it.

Harry doesnt fit the narrative thats wanted, ergo, people arent really very interested. All those that ARE interested will swiftly move onto something more interesting when they wise up that his stall is now bare, and he has nothing left to sell. Which will not take long, because the Windors are not going to allow him to restock his rumour mill now.

7 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

I think you USians are attributing way too much interest of the British population in the Sussexes. It's getting hyped up in the US media mostly, it seems to me.

Right.

In fact, there is a case for saying the UK has never been excessively pro monarchy. They have tolerated it, sometimes with benign amusement, as with Edward VII, sometimes with indifference, as under George V, with contempt, as with Edward VIII, or something approaching affection, as under Queen Elizabeth. If we were dangerously enthusiastic about it, I doubt it would have lasted as long as it did.

Its quite interesting to look back in History. The British public didnt like George III. At all. IIRC, they used to call him farmer George, because he lived in little more than a grand farmhouse in whats now Kew Gardens. They loathed him, presumably because he lost America, gave high taxes, and was even worse, a European. Then he went mad, and suddenly the British public felt the utmost sympathy and even affection for him.

The worst thing for Americans was losing the monarchy. Because when you have it, you dont bother to think or worry about it because its there. We dont get worked up about the monarchy as Americans do about their constitution or their Presidents. Because the whole concept as best as I can tell is to not be fashionable, but enduring.

Im not a massive monarchist myself. Equally there is some magic there that works for this country in all kinds of strange ways. Its kind of like finding you have non standard electrical wiring in your car. It works, so instead of ripping it all out and starting  again, you leave it alone to get on with it. Its the way we do things here.

 

 

[Murph]

My latest favorite quote involving the Markles: "Recollections may vary".  

[Stuart Galbraith]

It will be reality TV  next, mark my words. At Home with the Markles. In this weeks hilarious episode, Harry  drives his open topped Rolls Royce into the pool whilst suffering PTSD  from that time when he wore Great Uncle Edwards Nazi uniform.

[Stefan Fredriksson]

7 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

It will be reality TV  next, mark my words. At Home with the Markles. In this weeks hilarious episode, Harry  drives his open topped Rolls Royce into the pool whilst suffering PTSD  from that time when he wore Great Uncle Edwards Nazi uniform.

Quote of the year has been written. 😀

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

It will be reality TV  next, mark my words. At Home with the Markles. In this weeks hilarious episode, Harry  drives his open topped Rolls Royce into the pool whilst suffering PTSD  from that time when he wore Great Uncle Edwards Nazi uniform.

Real Housewives of Windsor Castle.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I'm pretty sure Shakespeare already did that one.

 

[Murph]

3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

It will be reality TV  next, mark my words. At Home with the Markles. In this weeks hilarious episode, Harry  drives his open topped Rolls Royce into the pool whilst suffering PTSD  from that time when he wore Great Uncle Edwards Nazi uniform.

ROTF!  That was good.  Jeez Stuart, I just irrigated my sinuses while reading that one!  Iced tea is not supposed to do that!

[Murph]

2 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said:

Quote of the year has been written. 😀

+1000!

[Stuart Galbraith]

11 hours ago, Murph said:

ROTF!  That was good.  Jeez Stuart, I just irrigated my sinuses while reading that one!  Iced tea is not supposed to do that!

As usual I think you and Stefan are much too kind, but enjoy your newly sluiced sinus's.

 

[Rickard N]

In all fairness, as to economy I doubt that either the British or the Swedish royal family (or others) is that much of a burden to the coutries monetary wise. The castles would still need maintenance and the amount of souvenirs that are sold which pay VAT is not moderate IMHO. I very much doubt that a plate with Göran Persson's face (former Swedish PM-ish) would sell very well.

[Ssnake]

Ooooooo.... Göran Persson!

[TrustMe]

20 minutes ago, Rickard N said:

In all fairness, as to economy I doubt that either the British or the Swedish royal family (or others) is that much of a burden to the coutries monetary wise. The castles would still need maintenance and the amount of souvenirs that are sold which pay VAT is not moderate IMHO. I very much doubt that a plate with Göran Persson's face (former Swedish PM-ish) would sell very well.

In Britian for the tax year 2021/2022 the Royal Family received 127 milion pounds. We could of built two hospitals for that amount of money.