Because The British Royal Family

[BansheeOne]

Is that from the general bored housewife demographic, or the intersection of same with the American conservative one?

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Globally speaking, I think the only groups who care are bored housewives, obsessive royalists, and US conservatives who are being fed "OMG he married a woke American actress" clickbait.

Problem is that chicks like that get people to listen to them on policy and then many 1st world leaders use them as mouth pieces to get things done. Sorta like a little Swedish bint being the founder of German Energy policy. 'OMG conservatives disagree with Greta!' How'd that work out? 

Politics are downstream of culture. 

[Murph]

7 hours ago, DB said:

That's the impression being pushed by the tabloid newspapers over here.

Most of the sane members of society DGAF.

That is what I thought.  

[Murph]

6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

But let us remember Edward VIII, whilst whiny and overbred if anyone was, also went to the front line In WW1, saw combat there first hand, and received the military cross. He was undoubtedly a brave man. He was deeply respected by his generation and veterans, right before he discovered American divorcee's and unfashionable niche politics.

No, im not saying he is exactly the same as Great Uncle Edward. But the parallels are somewhat startling if you look for them. I think he is strong willed, single minded, easily offended and easily led. And whats worse, 'The Crown' watcher that he is, he doesnt seem capable of learning from the lessons of his familys own history. At least Edward had the excuse of being exceptionally dim and not having easy access to Netflix.

I should say I was in somewhat awe of him. He was undoubtedly the more popular of the two brothers. Its probably unfair to blame all of the trouble on Megan Markle, but I do think she in some way expresses a change that came over him, and a unwelcome one for the most part. Call it the Yoko Ono effect for want of a better term.

 

 

 

 

Good point, I just see what is in the Daily Mail.  Glad you addressed this.

[Murph]

3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

In actual fact, I have read quite a few comments from veterans groups claiming Suffolk had dropped them like a pile of hot rocks, rightly or wrongly. So no, its not just obsessive Royalists. He did some good, there is no denying it, then he buggered off to California.

Royalty is not just mere symbolism. When they get their back behind something, they really do a lot of good. For example, the late Duke of Edinburghs scheme, that has received plaudits internationally. And the Invictus games has been a success, to give Suffolk credit, to name but two.

I highly respected the Admiral, he was (as we say in Texas): "Good People".  Both him and the Queen.  I also like William and Katherine, both seem really hard workers, who understand that the Crown represents more than themselves.  Also the only reason I suspect that William did not go to Afghanistan was that he was numero uno in the pecking order, while Harry was the "spare" as his book claims.  I think William could have done as well if not better than Harry if he had been allowed to go to war.  Also flying an Air Ambulance is not easy work, I highly respect those pilots.  

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

Its worth relating that my mother, whom was always a staunch Royalist, and doesnt read any of the murdoch press, and isnt a racist or antiwoke for that matter, has always thought Markle was a phony. I used to mock her on it, but she always said she was leading Harry down a bad path, and that in her opinion, it wont last and she will eventually dump him.

So far she seemingly has been completely right. As for narcissist, you only have to look at Megans old man.

Interestingly, I was just reading an article in The express, and there is a new book that has come out (and I dont know the accuracy of it, other than Brandreth has yet to come up as an arch fabricator) that claims markle was offered the help of Sophie Wessex to ease her into Royal Life, which she passed up, saying she only needed Harry to advise her. It also interestingly claims she was allowed to continue her acting career, which implies a fair chunk of what was offered up on Oprah was in fact an fabrication on her part. She was offered her own path, which slapped away with predictably disastrous results.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1702403/meghan-markle-sophie-wessex-queen-help-prince-harry-royal-family

Its hard to warm to her. And I say that as someone who thinks she is hot.

3 minutes ago, Murph said:

I highly respected the Admiral, he was (as we say in Texas): "Good People".  Both him and the Queen.  I also like William and Katherine, both seem really hard workers, who understand that the Crown represents more than themselves.  Also the only reason I suspect that William did not go to Afghanistan was that he was numero uno in the pecking order, while Harry was the "spare" as his book claims.  I think William could have done as well if not better than Harry if he had been allowed to go to war.  Also flying an Air Ambulance is not easy work, I highly respect those pilots.  

I warmed to Phillip as he got older. I think a lot of the brusqueness people interpreted in him was pretty much his naval upbringing. Many former captains or Admirals were like that, but like him, shared his definate sense of humour. We owe him a lot, his naval service, his award scheme and in fact the initial saving of the Cutty Sark, they all down to him in sum or in part.

Yeah, william did a good job flying an air ambulance, and its not entirely without risk doing that job. Harry and William both served in their own way, and I do respect that.

 

[Murph]

Yeah the Air Ambulance guys are real heros, I have called them for "bad situations" and unless we were 0/0 viz, they always tried to get there, and I have seen them do amazing things to get a patient onboard and to the hospital.  Heck, they flew my daughter after the terrible accident and probably saved her life.  So I have a little fan-boy going on for them.  

As for your other points I completely agree, Markle is a very accomplished liar, and narcissist.  And I do not think she is that hot, she just has great makeup artists. I get tired of her constantly finding something new to call "racist" practically every week.  I think Harry should have been allowed to stay in the Army, and make a career of it with no pressure to breed.  The Edward VII analogy is very apt.  Both men were undone by American divorcee's.  

[R011]

9 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

Its worth relating that my mother, whom was always a staunch Royalist, and doesnt read any of the murdoch press, and isnt a racist or antiwoke for that matter, has always thought Markle was a phony. I used to mock her on it, but she always said she was leading Harry down a bad path, and that in her opinion, it wont last and she will eventually dump him.

So far she seemingly has been completely right. As for narcissist, you only have to look at Megans old man.

Interestingly, I was just reading an article in The express, and there is a new book that has come out (and I dont know the accuracy of it, other than Brandreth has yet to come up as an arch fabricator) that claims markle was offered the help of Sophie Wessex to ease her into Royal Life, which she passed up, saying she only needed Harry to advise her. It also interestingly claims she was allowed to continue her acting career, which implies a fair chunk of what was offered up on Oprah was in fact an fabrication on her part. She was offered her own path, which slapped away with predictably disastrous results.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1702403/meghan-markle-sophie-wessex-queen-help-prince-harry-royal-family

Its hard to warm to her. And I say that as someone who thinks she is hot.

I warmed to Phillip as he got older. I think a lot of the brusqueness people interpreted in him was pretty much his naval upbringing. Many former captains or Admirals were like that, but like him, shared his definate sense of humour. We owe him a lot, his naval service, his award scheme and in fact the initial saving of the Cutty Sark, they all down to him in sum or in part.

Yeah, william did a good job flying an air ambulance, and its not entirely without risk doing that job. Harry and William both served in their own way, and I do respect that.

 

Part of Phil's shtick was apparently quite edliberate to act sa somethig n of a lightening rod and comic erlief. The press would concentrat on his latest faux pas and leave his wife alone to do her very demanding job.

[Murph]

My respect for King Charles just went up a notch:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11477533/Prince-Andrew-spotted-driving-Windsor-amid-claims-fuming-losing-armed-guards.html  Looks like "randy Andy" got put in his place by HM and does not like it too much.

[Ivanhoe]

13 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Is that from the general bored housewife demographic, or the intersection of same with the American conservative one?

You tell me;

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

6 hours ago, R011 said:

Part of Phil's shtick was apparently quite edliberate to act sa somethig n of a lightening rod and comic erlief. The press would concentrat on his latest faux pas and leave his wife alone to do her very demanding job.

I think so. People always thought he was being serious, when he was blatently taking the piss. Its British Forces comedy gold standard. And as you say, it was a useful distraction and gave the media something to print.

[Stuart Galbraith]

6 hours ago, Murph said:

My respect for King Charles just went up a notch:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11477533/Prince-Andrew-spotted-driving-Windsor-amid-claims-fuming-losing-armed-guards.html  Looks like "randy Andy" got put in his place by HM and does not like it too much.

A lot of it is slimming down the monarchy. Charles has always believed in a smaller, more European style monarchy rather than the big extended family. And he is right, there is a limit to what can be spent these days. And the best argument against British Republicanism is value for money.

And of course it pisses off Andrew, whom he hasnt really got on with for years, so thats probably a bonus.

[Murph]

Was Andrew even worth the money spent on him?  He seemed to spend more time in the tabloids than actually doing things.  

[Stuart Galbraith]

I don't know. Supposedly he did some good for British business, but judging by the state of the economy, it didn't stick. And he was pretty able in the Falklands, but that's 40 years ago now.

 

[Ivanhoe]

16 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

A lot of it is slimming down the monarchy. Charles has always believed in a smaller, more European style monarchy rather than the big extended family. And he is right, there is a limit to what can be spent these days. And the best argument against British Republicanism is value for money.

These days, I would think the Windsors would want plenty of backups. Never know when one of your heirs-to-the-throne gets a wild hair and throws it all in for some tight, um, quim.

[lucklucky]

10 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

These days, I would think the Windsors would want plenty of backups. Never know when one of your heirs-to-the-throne gets a wild hair and throws it all in for some tight, um, quim.

Good point and that makes the slim monarchy a bad idea if it has no depth.

[Stuart Galbraith]

In an emergency can always pull in an extended cousin, give them a Dukedom and make them Royal. All Charles is doing is sliming down the civil list, and putting emphasis on the senior members of the Royal Family, rather than the spares of a spare of a spare.

I believe the Americans made a movie about this some years ago....

 

[Ssnake]

It's not so much the question if there couldn't warm bodies be found in an emergency, but how many active representatives you want/need to perform the duties imposed by law and custom, I suppose. Antics of active representatives simply have a much higher potential for scandalization. Randy Andy would hardly draw more attention than your average sexually hyperactive rich twat, were he not a member of The Royals. IOW, not that much, as long as you can't be connected with minors or dead hookers in the trunk of your car, or under the cement of your weekend home.

[Ssnake]

5 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

All Charles is doing is sliming down the civil list,

I see what you did there. 😁

[Sardaukar]

Well...British Royal Family certainly employ lot of people...directly or indirectly...

Indirectly e.g. all "royalty experts" in tabloids etc. and lot of paparazzies.

 

[Sardaukar]

Bit of OT, but are things like this related to centuries on intermarriage between different royal families?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/08/norwegian-princess-quits-royal-duties-work-shaman-fiance-martha-louise

At least nowadays marrying your royal cousins etc. is not so popular anymore and royals tend to marry more "commoners"... Then of course...they get things like Meghan Markle...

[Stuart Galbraith]

58 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

I see what you did there. 😁

David Icke would be proud of me.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

33 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

Bit of OT, but are things like this related to centuries on intermarriage between different royal families?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/08/norwegian-princess-quits-royal-duties-work-shaman-fiance-martha-louise

At least nowadays marrying your royal cousins etc. is not so popular anymore and royals tend to marry more "commoners"... Then of course...they get things like Meghan Markle...

Its one of those ironies of history that the Windors have in this century 'married out' to ensure they wouldnt get offspring that are mentally unbalanced and... they marry into the Markle family instead. On reflection, they might have done better to have married a Hapsburg.

[Murph]

3 hours ago, Sardaukar said:

Bit of OT, but are things like this related to centuries on intermarriage between different royal families?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/08/norwegian-princess-quits-royal-duties-work-shaman-fiance-martha-louise

At least nowadays marrying your royal cousins etc. is not so popular anymore and royals tend to marry more "commoners"... Then of course...they get things like Meghan Markle...

Inbreeding is a terrible thing....  Perhaps Norway is well rid of her?  

[Murph]

2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Its one of those ironies of history that the Windors have in this century 'married out' to ensure they wouldnt get offspring that are mentally unbalanced and... they marry into the Markle family instead. On reflection, they might have done better to have married a Hapsburg.

Well at least they are not marrying brother and sister... Or first cousins.  But then as you said they got a Markle...