Tim the Tank Nut Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 If I understand correctly the Mexican Drug cartels just be the hell out of the Army and police forces in two separate instances. One of them involving the release of the son of El Chapo.Things seem to be getting pretty bad in the land of the burrito.The President there gave the useful suggestion of "toning down" the violence.It's hard to believe that the Cartels are that much more powerful than the government.Is Mexico on its way to becoming a failed state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 The President there gave the useful suggestion of "toning down" the violence. It does not look like an outright declaration of war on the cartels by him or the Mexican government will be coming anytime soon. The reason for this might be the self-realization that they might actually lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 something is going to have to change fairly soon. The status quo looks untenable. I can't see a good path forward right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickM Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 something is going to have to change fairly soon. The status quo looks untenable. I can't see a good path forward right now Well Colombia eventually got the better of cartels even richer and more vicious than the Mexican ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Niehorster Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just visited Mexico. Younger generation of my Mexican family all emigrating to Canada, USA, or Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTK Ciar Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Accounts of the fight didn't make it sound like regular Mexican Army was involved -- bad tactics and no reinforcements available, just eight gunmen operating on their own. According to this source, the government combatants were members of the Mexican National Guard, a gendarmerie formed from federal police personnel earlier this year: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50092641 If the cartels took on actual Mexican Army units, which do not deploy in units smaller than a section, I doubt it would go as well for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 I hope Mexico can straighten out but the Cartels seem very powerful.At least they didn't actually beat the Army head to head, that is some comfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I hope Mexico can straighten out but the Cartels seem very powerful.At least they didn't actually beat the Army head to head, that is some comfort. Is less that the cartels are powerful than that the guvmint is quite weak since corruption has become institutionalised. You don't need a lot of money to start your drug empire if the police is on your payroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 It is claimed that Mexican Cartel supplied meth is 95% pure and often laced with Fentanyl. Apparently the Mexican cartels are buying their meth ingredients from Chinese Intelligence backed criminal enterprises.The quantities are so large that it's wiping out the "home meth lab". While that may be an economics lesson it is also a form of chemical warfare. Welcome to the new world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 It is claimed that Mexican Cartel supplied meth is 95% pure and often laced with Fentanyl. Apparently the Mexican cartels are buying their meth ingredients from Chinese Intelligence backed criminal enterprises.The quantities are so large that it's wiping out the "home meth lab". While that may be an economics lesson it is also a form of chemical warfare. Welcome to the new world The ChiComs are using the Opium Wars tactic against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 The China based drug ingredients making its way to Mexico and then into the US is really shocking stuff. The Philippines has been hammered by the China based drugs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Yeah, we were told to avoid Mexico at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Cancun used to be a beautiful, safe resort town. Now its a no-go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 Mexico It never fails to fail Do not travel to Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Where's Black Jack Pershing when you need him? Mexican cartel massacre: 9 Americans, including 6 children, from Mormon offshoot murdered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) Where's Black Jack Pershing when you need him? Mexican cartel massacre: 9 Americans, including 6 children, from Mormon offshoot murderedBeto should insist the government take their guns. Or, at least blame racism. Edited November 5, 2019 by Mobius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burncycle360 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) The culture of corruption, once rooted, is incredibly hard to shake off. As in, it would take generations. Even the average person just trying to survive has to adapt to the realities on the ground.So what's the way forward? The Mexican Government is either impotent to change things at best, or complicit at worst, likely both. They know the score, and they adapt to survive. If we do nothing, the influence of cartels and corruption will ooze into our culture over time anyway (accelerated by Democratic policies) and if you say anything negative can come from that, you're racist. If we try to isolate, you're racist. Intervention doesn't seem like it will sell with fatigue from Afghanistan, and even if we do get involved, we share a border -- so the premise that keeping them up against the ropes in Mexico will prevent cartels from taking effective swings at us here at home doesn't apply. Perhaps over time the influence can be diminished sufficiently for Mexico to become something other than a failed state, but the cost in American blood would be exorbitant, and almost certainly result in retaliation attacks by cartels and assets stateside (as in, car bombs and direct action) which exposes just how vulnerable we really are. Of course, half the US population will immediately cow and roll over, then lash out against the Government in protests not seen since Vietnam claiming it's all their fault these innocent cartels are forced to defend themselves.... Edited November 5, 2019 by Burncycle360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Any mood down there for the US military going postal on these two cartels that just murdered 10 Americans yesterday? B-2's, SEAL's, Apaches. The works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burncycle360 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Any mood down there for the US military going postal on these two cartels that just murdered 10 Americans yesterday? B-2's, SEAL's, Apaches. The works? If Christians are "Easter Worshipers" and terrorists are "Austere scholars" I wonder what the media will come up with for Mormons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiloMorai Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 What do you mean by in time? It has already infected the White House. "f we do nothing, the influence of cartels and corruption will ooze into our culture over time anyway" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 As many on the left say we don't need a southern border. If we don't have a border it works both ways. Americans won't be limited by the border to go in and straighten things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 reading the reports on the latest considerable attack it is amazing to me that media outlets take the "mistaken identity" excuse at face value.Much like the Mexican President's preference for the Cartels' well being it just doesn't make sense.I suppose one lesson is don't live in Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Another lesson might be that the cartels view the border as an impenetrable shield against the US military. Sort of like a cat sauntering by a frustrated dog, just outside the radius of his leash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTK Ciar Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 reading the reports on the latest considerable attack it is amazing to me that media outlets take the "mistaken identity" excuse at face value. Really? The media swallowed the "they committed suicide" story when US federal agents burned 76 men, women and children to death in 1993, and journalistic integrity has only decayed in the 26 years since. A more contemporary case in point: The media refers to the combatants in Ukraine as "separatists" in a civil conflict, when those separatists are obviously no more than a fig leaf for the Russian invasion to hide behind. And our mainstream media doesn't even like Russia. They just narrate the most palatable interpretation of events. And these are just the obvious lies. How many other lies do they tell which we have no way of assessing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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