Dawes Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Another hopeful for the NGSW contract. Looks like it borrows from various designs: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/08/28/mars-inc-and-cobalt-kinetics-submit-new-carbine-and-lmg-for-us-army-ngsw-program/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Does the M1941 Johnson rifle ride again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 No. Johnson was short recoil. This is CSRG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) Stoner 63 with extrusion based receiveris my choice. Why they are using that magazine is beyond me. 6.8SPC II is type standardized and has in service for 6 years approx with a PMAG that works very well. Edited August 30, 2019 by Simon Tan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) Except they want 3000+fps MV.One of the greatest crack-pipe projects of the today infantry weapons world. Edited August 30, 2019 by bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Where do they find these muppets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 Is the rest of the world into the whole FDE/Coyote Tan craze as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 No. Johnson was short recoil. This is CSRG! So, did they go full Chauchat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly Head Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 No. Johnson was short recoil. This is CSRG! So, did they go full Chauchat? Never go full Chauchat. The one question I have is why do they need a 1MOA at 1000yards rifle for general issue it's overkill most soldiers would be lucky to hit a target at 500yards with a properly set up rifle. Sure it might work as a DMR but for general issue it's sound just too expensive for little gain over the currently available firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 It looks like it is made of cardboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregShaw Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 It looks like it is made of cardboard.Hitech, tacticool, expensive cardboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 Possibly just another dead end. Although it has a shot at Hollywood and the next Marvel film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EchoFiveMike Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 The entire project seems like a scam to fleece the taxpayer. S/F....Ken M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I think the 1 MoA at 1000 yards requirement is partly driven by the ability to fit a tank-like sighting/FCS that can remove a lot of the variables an unassisted human shooter has to cope with. The FCS will be pointless most of the time (as are tank FCS in regions with terrain that only permits short range engagements), but it could be a game changer when circumstances permit. The odd thing for me is that I have never associated long recoil operation with extreme precision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly Head Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I think the 1 MoA at 1000 yards requirement is partly driven by the ability to fit a tank-like sighting/FCS that can remove a lot of the variables an unassisted human shooter has to cope with. The FCS will be pointless most of the time (as are tank FCS in regions with terrain that only permits short range engagements), but it could be a game changer when circumstances permit. The odd thing for me is that I have never associated long recoil operation with extreme precision. The Rarden cannon is very accurate when paired with an effective fire control system. It doesn't have a great rate of fire though. The long recoil is accurate as there are fewer variables as the round is fired from a completely closed bolt there is no need to bleed gas or momentarily delay the bolt so less variables that affect accuracy can creep in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EchoFiveMike Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I think the 1 MoA at 1000 yards requirement is partly driven by the ability to fit a tank-like sighting/FCS that can remove a lot of the variables an unassisted human shooter has to cope with. The FCS will be pointless most of the time (as are tank FCS in regions with terrain that only permits short range engagements), but it could be a game changer when circumstances permit. The odd thing for me is that I have never associated long recoil operation with extreme precision. Since the REMF's will undoubtedly install some form of "look over your shoulder" bullshit(already exists), I think this is a stupid idea. S/F....Ken M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregShaw Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I think the 1 MoA at 1000 yards requirement is partly driven by the ability to fit a tank-like sighting/FCS that can remove a lot of the variables an unassisted human shooter has to cope with. The FCS will be pointless most of the time (as are tank FCS in regions with terrain that only permits short range engagements), but it could be a game changer when circumstances permit. The odd thing for me is that I have never associated long recoil operation with extreme precision. Since the REMF's will undoubtedly install some form of "look over your shoulder" bullshit(already exists), I think this is a stupid idea. S/F....Ken M It will probably earn some colonel his star, that's probably the reason for being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I think the system we saw some years ago had the option to display on a tablet, so any level of oversight would be possible. Has anything more been heard of the 50 cal guided rounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTK Ciar Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 The entire project seems like a scam to fleece the taxpayer. S/F....Ken M I think it's worse than that. Its failure (which seems assured) will be pointed to, forever, as irrefutable evidence that we must use 5.56x45mm. Future suggestions of a better cartridge will be met with "no no, they tried that with the NGSW and we all know how that turned out!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 The entire project seems like a scam to fleece the taxpayer. S/F....Ken MI think it's worse than that. Its failure (which seems assured) will be pointed to, forever, as irrefutable evidence that we must use 5.56x45mm. Future suggestions of a better cartridge will be met with "no no, they tried that with the NGSW and we all know how that turned out!" OICW, SPIW etc etc have not dissauded anyone over the years. And at least some of the reasoning for a more powerful cartridge to punch through future body armour of infatrymen has some merit to it. Stoner 63 with extrusion based receiveris my choice. Why they are using that magazine is beyond me. 6.8SPC II is type standardized and has in service for 6 years approx with a PMAG that works very well.While I agree that a kinda hybrid of the Stoner63 and SCAR has something going for it. though there was the Robinson 96 which IIRC was based on the 63. The 6,8 SPC II is a dedicated short barrel short range round with its stubby projectiles. The new 6,8 mm is more like the Creedmoor cartridges. It just happens to have the same caliber as the older SPC II, but has much case capacity and more powder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 The new 6,8 mm is more like the Creedmoor cartridges. It just happens to have the same caliber as the older SPC II, but has much case capacity and more powder The US Army has decided on a new cartridge: SEPTEMBER 06, 2019 U.S. Army selection for NGSWU.S. ARMY SELECTS TRUE VELOCITY COMPOSITE-CASED AMMUNITION FOR NEXT GENERATION SQUAD WEAPON PROGRAMGARLAND, TX – True Velocity composite-cased ammunition has been selected for the U.S. Army’s Next Generation Squad Weapon (NGSW) modernization program. True Velocity’s 6.8mm composite-cased cartridge was submitted as part of an overall NGSW weapon system in partnership with General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems and firearm manufacturer Beretta Defense Technologies.True Velocity’s proprietary 6.8mm case design will provide end users with significant logistical and operational advantages over traditional brass-cased ammunition, including substantially increased effective range and muzzle energy, drastic reduction in cartridge weight and enhanced accuracy. The combination of True Velocity’s ammunition with the General Dynamics OTS weapon submission results in a state-of-the-art weapon system capable of long-range lethality, short recoil impulse, significant ballistic improvements and enhanced operational effectiveness for the soldier.“True Velocity’s 6.8mm composite case design produces a level of performance, consistency and efficiency never before seen in small arms ammunition,” said Chris Tedford, president and chief operating officer for True Velocity. “Combining True Velocity’s innovation and technology with the expertise of General Dynamics OTS and Beretta results in a weapon system solution that exceeds NGSW requirements and provides the U.S. Army with a definitive edge on the field of battle.”​ About a 1/3 lighter than 556 brass cased. Remains to be seen if the program actually results in aynthing fielded... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW Collins Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Textron got a contract a few days ago for ammunition and rifles so I don't think the selection process is done yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregShaw Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Yawn, how many different new cartridges have they "adopted" in the last 20 yrs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJE Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Textron got a contract a few days ago for ammunition and rifles so I don't think the selection process is done yet.Yup. True Velocity, as a partner to General Dynamics, has been selected to the next phase in NGSW. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/09/07/true-velocity-composite-cased-ammo-ngsw/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Actually all three teams are still in running and the press release by Truevelocity is misleading. http://soldiersystems.net/2019/09/06/us-army-selects-true-velocity-composite-cased-ammunition-next-generation-squad-weapon/#comments SIG USA and its ammo is inWinchester/Olin wich AAI and H&Kand True Velocity plus GD and Beretta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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